As ALWAYS, good stuff, Bro!
You make him sound like John Wayne Bobbitt!Originally Posted by NYYFAN
How about Porter or Moss? Would that be something you'd be interested in?Originally Posted by RIyankee
No.Originally Posted by TheoShmeo
They'll cost money, draft picks, and have baggage. The Pats WRs will be good enough w/o all that.
Trading draft picks for veterans is a sure way to ensure your team stinks for a long time. Ask Miami, who recently traded # 2s for Culpepper and AJ Feeley.
I understand and probably agree in the end.Originally Posted by RIyankee
I'd part with a second rounder for either one of them, and think that BB and the Patriots players would keep them under control, though I recognize that both are problems. But could you imagine Brady with a weapon like Moss?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...oss/index.htmlOriginally Posted by TheoShmeo
OK, it was idle dreaming earlier, and now it seems like something more. And having reflected on it, I'd LOVE to see the Pats get Moss. They have the veteran leaders to control him (or at least take a run at it) and I'd love to see Brady with a guy like him. The best wide out Brady has ever had is Branch, and Branch isn't anywhere near the weapon that Moss is. I'd have no problem with the Pats trading the number one pick they got from Seattle and tossing in a late round pick if need be.
The article linked above lists the other teams who might be in on this.
And, yes, it's quite possible that Belichick will say "no way" or that the Krafts will fall back on the same morals rationale that lead them to say that they would not draft him years ago.
Good points indeed. Fact is, football is won and lost in the trenches. If you have a great OL and DL, the rest can take care of itself. But what about Steve Smith? Is he overated? There is a huge difference in the Panther offense with him playing and with him sitting.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
They're going to be a running team until they can find an actual down-field threat who can't be covered 1v1. You can't open up Brady's short game w/o that down-field threat.Originally Posted by RIyankee
My fantasy team is suffering with Tommyboy at the head of our team...
Originally Posted by JDPNYY
Smith doesn't represent the whole body of NFL WRs. The issue isn't whether each WR, separately, is over/underrated, but WRs in general. You answered your own question. Smith does help, but he's not the entire team. WRs are like BASF, they don't make the offense, they make the offense better. In Smith's case, when he is healthy, he's an exceptional player. He and Santana Moss were the top 2 WRs in the NFL last year. Both their teams fell in the playoffs. In fact, there hasn't been a pro Bowl WR on a SBC since Isaac Bruce played with the 1999 Rams (Troy Brown made it as an ST, not a WR, for 2001).Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan
If the Panthers didn't block well, didn't play solid defense, slacked off on special teams, or committed costly turnovers, Baltimore would have beaten them. You're looking at this on a game-to-game basis. CHFF and I are viewing WR contributions from a seasonal mindset.
Looking at Carolina's 2006 season...
Sep 10 Atlanta Lost 6-20 Sep 17 @Minnesota Lost 13-16 Sep 24 @Tampa Bay Won 26-24 Oct 1 New Orleans Won 21-18 Oct 8 Cleveland Won 20-12 Oct 15 @Baltimore Won 23-21
Smith didn't play until week 3. Atlanta and Minnesota are quality teams (both have 3-2 records). In the NO game, the Panthers gouged the Saints defense for 167 rushing yards at 5.8 ypc and a TD. Smith was the difference between winning and losing against the Ravens, who played shockingly bad pass defense.
Look at the Seahawks/Rams contest. Deion Branch had a terrific game and was arguably the MVP of that game. But what if Kevin Curtis doesn't fumble that KO return, which set up Seattle's go ahead TD? What if the Seattle kicker misses that 54-yard FG at the end of the game? And now, the $64 dollar question: what if Seattle fails to return to the Super Bowl? Will Branch be worth their 2007 #1 pick, plus the 6yr/$39mil contract he signed?
WRs are vulnerable to injuries, especially hamstrings, that players of most other positions can play through. And WRs tend to be self-centered and contract-minded. Bottom Line: if you're building a team, WR should be near the bottom of you list. You can't just say that Steve Smith had a great game therefore, lets rethink the WR argument.
Brady rarely throws short when he has an effective running attack. In 2004, when Dillon broke NE's single season rushing mark, Brady ranked dead last in short passing attempts and was the in the top 3 in combined medium/deep pass attempts (KC Joyner's Scientific Football: 2005). Bellichick said that Brady is still working on the timing of his WRs. Troy Brown has been a good short possession receiver, but short passes are necessary when the running game struggles, like it did against Denver and Miami. Reche Caldwell has been a bust, but he's playing for the minimum. Chad Jackson, the only other WR who was with Brady at camp, has been nursing his hammy and has rarely played this year. Doug Gabriel joined the team in September. Jabar Gaffney joined the team last week.Originally Posted by Bozidar
My fantasy team is 1-5 and Brady is on my team. Then again, it's enough to be 1-5 in fantasy and my team 4-1 in the real world. Hold onto Brady. The Pats have an easy schedule this year and once Brady gets his timing down with his WRs, which I'm confident he will, the Pats offense will start putting up 25+ PPG.Originally Posted by Bozidar
Bump... Knowing this, would people here want their team to draft Calvin Johnson with one of the top 5 picks.
the bucs will without a doubt draft him if he slides to 4. my guess is cleveland deals out of 3 and somebody jumps up to grab him (atlanta?)...
ugh. atlanta landing CJ for the want of a freakin coin flip.
I understand he will definitely go in the top 5. My question is if your team had a top 5 pick, would you want to draft him.
At the Raiders number one spot no...WR don't make the same impact as a very good QB or RB...many more touches a game. I'm now thinking Raiders draft Peterson if Lamont is let go...Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan
If we trade Moss for a #1 pick then maybe...
nEVERMIND, lAMONT IS NOW STAYING:
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