and i think too many people were judging him off that performance. lets see how he does in an extended period of time as well as see how handles the high minors before annointing him ready to consistently get out big leaguers. he has alot of question marks to match up with his stuffOriginally Posted by BlueStrawberry
There is always hope with pitchers with Hansen's stuff, but I'm don't want to have to count on him.
i have never seen him pitch. i have heard all the scouting reports. No doubt that he is a big time relief prospect. But to say he can get MLB hitters out right away is kind of stretching it because there haven't been many who have done so not even 3 months removed from getting drafted
BlueStrawberry is right on here.
They didn't just change his mechanics. They completely re-tooled his delivery and even shut him down for a few weeks to do so.
Cox is much more advanced than Hansen was out of college.
I'm not a Red Sox fan, I'm not a Yankees fan. I do not like Rice. I am not that fond of Wayne Graham. There's no reason for me to pump sunshine up his you-know-what.
But I watched Bryce Cox at least 20-30 times in his career at Rice and the difference between before-and-after is/was astounding.
And yes, I do believe that he could get MLB hitters out right now. There's just no reason for him to be rushed right now.
On the bright side, I seem to have created quite the spark of discussion on this thread with one sentence.
And just because I'm bored and have the time to look it up.
Bryce Cox before: 23.1 IP, 27 H, 21 BB, 26 K (7.33 ERA)
Bryce Cox after: 28.1 IP, 14 H, 4 BB, 36 K (0.32 ERA)
Thats the thing that concerns me though. Its obvious the changes matter a great deal. There are a few things that I have questions about. How much of the success is because hitters arent used to are adjusted to the visual part of the change in his motion? That and his ability to mantain said changes. I have no doubt he will be able to mantain his current motion for the rest of the season. However season from season is a different story. The slighest little change that he might not even notice himself doing when he starts throwing next season could throw him off, and it seems like that matters a lot in this case.
His arm motion is a right handed version of Billy Wagner. He hides the ball much better then he use to. He throws the same way a catcher does, but in a strange event his velocity increased.
Deolis Guerra:
Fernando Martinez:Fastball in the low to mid 90īs, a plus Changeup and a Improving Curveball. Deceptive Delivery.
http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=228&p=2...%2f560787.html
Fernando Martinez hasn't played yet, but scouts drool over his tools. Obviously we have to see when/if/how he puts those tools to use on the field.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/story.../14/13429/7430Elvis Andrus:Fernando Martinez, OF, C+
Hit .333/.393/.504 in 32 games for Class A Hagerstown before hurting his knee. Returned to action last night and should be OK in the long run. Pre-injury numbers are certainly good.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/story.../20/162130/294
there you go!Elvis Augusto Andrus was signed by Braves' scouts Rolando Petit and Julian Perez on January 26, 2005. It could turn out to be the most important signing since the Braves found a young kid out of Curacao in 1993. Elvis made an immediate impact in spring training of 2005 at the age of sixteen. He wowed everyone, the coaches and fellow players, and the Braves knew they had a future star. He's dynamic in the field at shortstop, with great range and a strong arm. Offensively, his bat is in great control for a kid that is seventeen. The Braves believe his power will develop over the next several years. Comparisons have ranged from Miguel Tejada to Derek Jeter. He'll start off in Rome in 2006, and it's not out of the question that he could end the season in Myrtle Beach before his 18th birthday.
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=243&p=8...06&nid=2551736
Thanks
we might get a good look at Detroitīs first round pick, Andrew Miller, he will be called up tuesday for the Series against the Yankees, from Rotoworld:
I know he signed a major league contract, but talk about moving fast thru the system... damn!The Tigers will call up left-hander Andrew Miller and outfielder Alexis Gomez prior to Tuesday's game against the Yankees.
Miller, the sixth overall pick in the 2006 draft, has made just three appearances as a pro, throwing five scoreless innings for Lakeland, but the Tigers want to try him in relief now. It looks like the club might even include him on the playoff roster with a strong showing next month.
Well his contract did have a clause in it that guaranteed a September call up. So hes only really moving a few days faster than expected.I know he signed a major league contract, but talk about moving fast thru the system... damn!
How many starts in the minors has he had??
The Southerners...
Kelvin DeLeon(RF), Abraham Almonte(CF), Jose Tabata(LF), Marcos Vechionacci(3B), Jose Pirela(SS), Prilys Cuello(2B), Raymond Nunez(1B), Jesus Montero(C), Carlos Urena(DH).
5 innings.
Hes got 3 appearances, no starts, 5 innings, 9 Ks and a .60 whip.
I think the only reason that he's up earlier is because for a player to be eligible for the playoff roster, he must be called up before the rosters expand on September 1.
I'll be interested in watching him.
Oh wow. I read about this and I thought it was Adam Miller! Geez.
From Jon Heyman's si.com column.
Mets ninth-round draft choice Jeremy Barfield, arrested last week after allegedly pushing his father and ex-big leaguer, Jesse, down a flight of stairs, told the Mets he intends not to sign and will go to college instead. It's the latest of several setbacks involving their 2006 draft picks.
After that incident, he has to get away from the limelight for a while. But the real reason is what everything boils down to:
Money
Man the Mets had an awful draft. Just ughhhh.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
Care to elaborate? Not trying to be a jackass or anything, I just really didn't pay much attention to anyone's draft besides the Yanks along with Boston.
Wilbon: What is it specifically about Arod that guys like Schill and Trot Nixon just can't stand?
Kornheiser: He's better looking, he's cooler, he's got all the money. That's what they can't stand.
Outside of their 2nd rounder, Kevin Mulvey, not many of their other guys excite me much, if at all. Mets are a team who should be going after supreme talent and not settling for low-ceiling guys, like they did in this draft.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
I saw Mulvey earlier in the year and wasn't incredibly impressed with him, but he wasn't terrible either.
Of course, I see that he's basically starting off in AA, so maybe I caught him on a bad day.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...rylines/1.htmlSan Francisco's Tim Lincecum, the 10th overall pick in this summer's draft, has scouts drooling in the California League. The 5-foot-11, 160-pound flamethrower has 49 Ks in 26 2/3 innings in the minors, and opposing hitters are batting .138 against him. Many believed Lincecum was the most major-league-ready pitcher in the draft; look for him to be making a big difference for San Francisco in 2007.
For those who haven't seen him pitch: http://www.calleaguers.com/LincecumTim0326.html
I like him. I'm a little worried, but I like him. He is very small, throws very hard, and has a strange motion that you would think might lead to injury. But he is a little more flexible than most, since he was a gymnast growing up. And he hasn't had any injury problems so far.
He reminds me a lot of Scot Shields. I think he'll end up in the bullpen and becoming a better version of Shields.
Lincecum truly is a stud. I couldn't believe when the Reds(+ O's) let him get past them.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
I think the motion gives him a rubber arm, and prevents injuries
Becasue with his workload in college, it must be whats keeping him pitching
Excerpt from a BaseballProspectus.com profile on Luke Hochevar, posted on cnnsi.com.
For now, Hochevar is in the Midwest League, at the lowest level in full-season baseball. On a limited pitch count, he's thrown 9.1 innings in three starts, with 10 strikeouts and an ERA still sitting at a perfect 0.00. "For all the time off he had, he's been well above-average," said Burlington pitching coach Steve Luebber.
"His command is coming around and he's shown a real good fastball sitting at 93-94 mph and a curveball that's a real out pitch."
[....]
Hochevar makes his final start for the Bees on Friday night, and then he'll likely pitch for Wichita in the Double-A Texas League playoffs before getting more innings in the Arizona Fall League. He'll likely begin next year in Wichita, and could be in Kansas City by midseason. While he has no personal timetable, he's excited to be part of the rebuilding effort for the once moribund Royals.
that curve he threw to the first batter was absoloutley FILTHY
Anyone have any thoughts on the "other" BOS first round draft pick, Jason Place?
he's the best prospect evar
Of course he is...well, except for Ellis Island Berry.
He had a good OBP for his first professional partial season, albeit in a small sample size. Any comps to our OF?
Mickey Mantle.Of course he is...well, except for Ellis Island Berry.
He had a good OBP for his first professional partial season, albeit in a small sample size. Any comps to our OF?
BA likens him to Jeff Francoeur because of his aggressiveness at the plate and his power potential.Of course he is...well, except for Ellis Island Berry.
He had a good OBP for his first professional partial season, albeit in a small sample size. Any comps to our OF?
He has a better eye than Francoeur, but the tools are very simliar.
its still a little early to say he has a better eye than francoeur, though in his first year he walked slightly more than frenchy but K'd more.
Let me refrase it, he is more patient than Francoer. He isn't up there to hack.
i dont understand how you can judge that off of a little over 100 AB's
if anything i would be worried cause he struck out significanly more than frenchy while walking only slightly more
thats on top of the redsox general hitting philosophy that they want players to wait for thier pitch and not swing at borderline pitches early
all of this info leads me to one conclusion- the redsox and thier fans HOPE he turns out like francouer with more plate discipline, but as of rite now he looks exactly like francouer, though francouer hit much better in his debut
i dont know what to make of him yet and will reserve judgement on his long-term potential after the end of next season
I don't think its fair to say that a prospect just out of high school is exactly like someone who is already hitting well in the major leagues. That's just like saying Jose Tabata is already Manny Ramirez. Right now Jeff Francoeur with better plate discipline is probably Jason Place's ceiling, just like Manny with a little more speed is Tabata's ceiling.
i think that the problem with this statement is that francouer rite now is not at his ceiling. he is still young and while never posted strong walk rates maybe someday the light goes on
maybe place's cieling is francouer with plate discipline, maybe he doesnt develop it, just like the guy he is often compared too
but as i said earlier rite now i think it is impossible to gauge places cieling. yes he has similar tools as frenchy, yes he has similar physical dimensions. but so much can happen after next year. maybe he proves he can stay in CF. maybe he walks 100 times. maybe he doesnt hit at all. the point is im not going to give a player a cieling when he has 100 AB's just because he has similar tools and size
Place's ceiling is really hard to gauge, because he is a five tool player, like Francoeur was coming out of high school. I think Francoeur is a nice comparison for Place's ceiling, just because right out of high school they both didn't have a lot of plate discipline, but they did have five tools. But really, I don't like to do comparisons, because I just think its unfair to the player, because they are going to be their own player and do their own things.
Thats not what I said. I said the tools are similar but Place has better patience then Francouer.
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what im saying is: is that an opinion or are you going to back it up with some kind of facts
There isn't much evidence right now, other than scouting reports I have received, the fact his IsoD was better than Francouer's first year. But its to early to have a ton of statistical evidence yet. Time will tell, but I stick by saying he is more dicsipline.
People kill me with getting upset when somebody compares a prospect to a major league player. That's all we have to go on, folks. For the people who can't watch all these minor leaguers, it gives us something to go on. Someone saying Prospect X looks like Star X normally means that's what his ceiling is or that's what he projects to be in the major leagues. It doesn't mean he'll get there, but it's the best we can do until we can have much better access to scouting reports and videos of prospects. Hell, people will still do a lot of comparisons to major leaguers. Scouts and prospect fans such as us love to dream on kids. It's fun.
RIP Cory Lidle. Forever a Yankee.
I still believe.
what is a good site to see where teams rank as far as their farm system goes? I had a fight with one of my friends who said the yankees farm system is terrible and overrated and I would like to prove him wrong. I figured with the players we brought up over the last 2 years with a potential cy young candidate, an all star and batting title candidate, and another player who could have definitely been in the running for rookie of the year if it wasn't for all the great rookies that came up this year. Not to mention we got Hughes, Clippard, Tabata, and Duncan down there. Anyone help me out?
scout.com or baseballamerica.com...
Thanks, but their rankings are old from the beginning of the year. They still have Jenks as a prospect.
Well, if your friend truly believes that the Yanks have a terrible and overrated system... there's no need for a response because he's ignorant.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
Agreed, the problem is that he calls himself a yankee fan also. I saw that before the season they ranked the yankees like 19 or something in the league, but after this season there is no way we are that low, I just wanted to find out exactly where they rank this farm system
the yanks are certainly a top 15 system this year, they might even squeak into the top 10
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