Another team's prospects thread

[ppa79]

I couldn't find a thread for talking about another team's prospects. I didn't want to put this in the All purpose thread because that is for the Yankees.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...ws/262103.html

I'll take this guy. Maybe we can work out a deal. Sometimes a change of scenary is good for a player.

[geodork]

I couldn't find a thread for talking about another team's prospects. I didn't want to put this in the All purpose thread because that is for the Yankees.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...ws/262103.html

I'll take this guy. Maybe we can work out a deal. Sometimes a change of scenary is good for a player.

No way! Serious head case. The Yanks should stay FAR away from him. Would not fit in with their clubhouse. When was the last time any player like this stuck with the Yankees?

[ppa79]

No way! Serious head case. The Yanks should stay FAR away from him. Would not fit in with their clubhouse. When was the last time any player like this stuck with the Yankees?

He's 22 years old. He has too much talent to give up on. If I remember Sheffield had his problems with authority when he was coming up.

[LecheCaberera2826]

I am border line on trying to get this kid, i agree that he is WACKO, but i also agree that he has 5 tool stuff and could be very special Get him!!!!

[Jaeho]

I am border line on trying to get this kid, i agree that he is WACKO, but i also agree that he has 5 tool stuff and could be very special Get him!!!!

I'll take this guy. Maybe we can work out a deal. Sometimes a change of scenary is good for a player.

People use to say the same things about Toe Nash. He has 5 tools! He could be special! Dukes is a headcase. Get him for what? So he can explode in the biggest city in the world and become tabloid fodder? Let him go to KC and learn how to be a major leaguer without assaulting anyone first.

[kjamidon]

i was there for that game and i asked Shawn Riggans what happened and reliped "i will take the 5Th"...i also chatted with the bat boy and he knew nothing about it..But when a player gets tossed after a broken bat and NO arguement starts..Something is up..At leasted Dukes signed 2 cards for me--haha--kj

[mbn007]

It is foolish to even try to deny the talent level that is in this guy. Top shelf talent. World class talent. Multi-million dollar talent.

But it is in a human being who has a 10 cent brain. Pass.

[NJASDJDH]

I'll take him. I'd trade Duncan and Melky for him.

[mhmajp]

Who is the kid that the Devil Rays just reactivated? The one who was out with drug problems? The blogger who did In George We Trust and now does Baby Bombers loves that kid, but I'd guess that it's too late to get him.

Given the number of veteran players at Columbus, if the Rays release him, I'd take a flyer. There's already a bunch of players there who are often labelled bad clubhouse guys and yet Melky, Cano, Wang and Philips have all come up and done passable to extremely well.

[BennyTheJetRodriguez]

People use to say the same things about Toe Nash. He has 5 tools! He could be special! Dukes is a headcase. Get him for what? So he can explode in the biggest city in the world and become tabloid fodder? Let him go to KC and learn how to be a major leaguer without assaulting anyone first.

Toe Nash's tools were exaggerated and he lied about his age by a lot if i'm not mistaken. Toe Nash also was a felon if i'm not mistaken. This guy argued balls and strikes, lets hold off on the life sentance please. Unlike Nash Dukes has played pro ball and played it well. Get him. Who cares if he's a jerk, let him play a year or half a year and be a good citizen and then trade him or use him until you can trade him.

[ppa79]

People use to say the same things about Toe Nash. He has 5 tools! He could be special! Dukes is a headcase. Get him for what? So he can explode in the biggest city in the world and become tabloid fodder? Let him go to KC and learn how to be a major leaguer without assaulting anyone first.

Toe Nash? Are you kidding me. Dukes is one of the best outfield prospects in league. You are comparing someone who is excelling in AAA to someone who never made it out of rookie ball. Come on? If you want to not trade for him because of his off-field issue so be it, but don't compare him to Toe Nash. Dukes has serious talent. Sheffield has issue when he was coming up and he turned out great. When a player has talent like this you can't ignore it.

Dukes's minor league career.

Year	Team Name	League	Age	Org.	Level	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	HBP	IBB	SH	SF	DP	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
2003	Charleston (Sc)	SAL	19	Tb	A	117	383	51	94	17	4	7	53	33	11	45	130	10	1	4	3	5	.245	.338	.366	704
2004	Charleston (Sc)	SAL	20	Tb	A	43	163	26	47	12	2	2	15	14	1	18	47	3	3	0	1	1	.288	.368	.423	791
	Bakersfield	Calif	20	Tb	A+	58	211	44	70	16	2	8	34	16	7	26	50	5	1	1	1	1	.332	.416	.540	956
2005	Montgomery	Sou	21	Tb	AA	120	446	73	128	21	5	18	73	19	9	45	83	4	2	0	3	13	.287	.355	.478	833

Year	Team	Lg.	Ag	Org	Lvl	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	HBP	SH	SF	GDP	Avg	OBP	SLG	OPS	Updated
2006	Durham	IL	22	Tb	AAA	80	283	58	83	15	5	10	50	9	4	44	47	7	0	0	5	.293	.401	.488	889	7/30/2006

[ppa79]

It is foolish to even try to deny the talent level that is in this guy. Top shelf talent. World class talent. Multi-million dollar talent.

But it is in a human being who has a 10 cent brain. Pass.

Did we pass on Dwight Gooden? What about Darryl Strawberry? How many chances did we give to Steve Howe? I don't see the Phillies cutting Brett Myers anytime soon for what he did. And those guys where grown adults. This guy is still a kid.

[ppa79]

Who is the kid that the Devil Rays just reactivated? The one who was out with drug problems? The blogger who did In George We Trust and now does Baby Bombers loves that kid, but I'd guess that it's too late to get him.

Josh Hamilton

[mhmajp]

Josh Hamilton

That's the one. Well, hopefully if Dukes gets released, the Yankees will swoop in. I'd say trade for, but you who would we be okay giving up for him in light of how greedy the Rays are when it comes to trading prospects and other young talent?

[Jaeho]

Toe Nash? Are you kidding me. Dukes is one of the best outfield prospects in league. You are comparing someone who is excelling in AAA to someone who never made it out of rookie ball. Come on? If you want to not trade for him because of his off-field issue so be it, but don't compare him to Toe Nash. Dukes has serious talent. Sheffield has issue when he was coming up and he turned out great. When a player has talent like this you can't ignore it/

Someone needs to go back and read again. I didn't compare him to Nash. I said people use to say the same things. Look at the tools. Look at the talent. He is so talented that the good outweighs the bad. Dukes is a headcase. Obviously the Devils Rays feel he is a problem since they now have suspended twice this year. And apparently despite this awesome talent, they won’t even play him ahead of the immortal Damon Hollins who is having a Tony Womack-like season.

The Yankees aren't trading for him anyway so I am not sure why this was even brought up.

[NJASDJDH]

Someone needs to go back and read again. I didn't compare him to Nash. I said people use to say the same things. Look at the tools. Look at the talent. He is so talented that the good outweighs the bad. Dukes is a headcase. Obviously the Devils Rays feel he is a problem since they now have suspended twice this year. And apparently despite this awesome talent, they won’t even play him ahead of the immortal Damon Hollins who is having a Tony Womack-like season.

The Yankees aren't trading for him anyway so I am not sure why this was even brought up.

The Devil Rays have done a terrible job with their talent. Not to mention that they seem to be using him as a scapegoat for the actions of his more highly touted teammates. The reason the Nash comparison is ludicrous is that Dukes has those same amazing tools and...*gasp*...performance all the way up to the highest level of minor league baseball that backs that talent. Nash was all scouting reports.

[LecheCaberera2826]

I am telling you, the Yanks should take a chance with this kid he can be AMAZING!!!!!!!

[LecheCaberera2826]

Also i saw that the RS 27th first round pick Jason Place went 0-5 with 5 SO's, I know he is young and you can't judge a young player like that, but not even Jon Potterson could do that!!!

[yankeetke]

Id say looking at all the problems that Tampa Bay has with numerous prospects something is obviously wrong with their minor league system. Maybe getting Dukes away from that enviroment will prove to be beneficial to his development and allow him to be a productive major leaguer.

[spiritof27]

Id say looking at all the problems that Tampa Bay has with numerous prospects something is obviously wrong with their minor league system. Maybe getting Dukes away from that enviroment will prove to be beneficial to his development and allow him to be a productive major leaguer.

Maybe it's not their system and simply the players. Perhaps their scouting on the makeup of players is poor or they disregard such reports and have just ended up with several bad apples. Either way, it doesn't do much for the outside look of the organization.

[LecheCaberera2826]

I have a ?? isn't Joel Guzman supposed to be in A ball not AAA, i thought he was playing for the Dodgers A ball team, now he is playing with durham.

[gdn]

I thought he was in AAA

[LecheCaberera2826]

I thought he was in AAA

Ok thought i saw at firstinning that he was in single A.

[shroud]

Also i saw that the RS 27th first round pick Jason Place went 0-5 with 5 SO's, I know he is young and you can't judge a young player like that, but not even Jon Potterson could do that!!!

Didn't Andy Phillips pull off a Golden sombrero with spurs last year?

[ryanm1058123]

Didn't Andy Phillips pull off a Golden sombrero with spurs last year?

didn't he have one against Kazmir? It was either 4 or 5Ks

[gold23]

Dukes is a bad, bad, bad, bad, bad guy. Just bad. Have seen it first hand on probably nine or ten occasions, going back to Charleston three or four years back.

Anger management isn't the issue- he's just wired wrong.

[Tony53]

didn't he have one against Kazmir? It was either 4 or 5Ks

yeah it was five, although all of them weren't off Kazmir. Andy sure does have problems with lefties. Kinda wierd.

[albo4lyfe]

yeah it was five, although all of them weren't off Kazmir. Andy sure does have problems with lefties. Kinda wierd.

Good thing we now have Wilson for that, eh?

[Seker22]

Anybody know what the Mets Deolis Guerra (SP?) has as far as stuff?

[LecheCaberera2826]

Just read this on MILB.com and it said that Andrew Miller would begin his career in Lakeland(A+) and would be called up in September, i just get soo confused when teams like these call up there top pitchers when they haven't even spent a full year in the minors thinking that they will make an IMMEDIATE impact on the team!!!! I HATE IT!!! the tigers also did it with Verlander UGHH.

[NJASDJDH]

Just read this on MILB.com and it said that Andrew Miller would begin his career in Lakeland(A+) and would be called up in September, i just get soo confused when teams like these call up there top pitchers when they haven't even spent a full year in the minors thinking that they will make an IMMEDIATE impact on the team!!!! I HATE IT!!! the tigers also did it with Verlander UGHH.

They didn't do that with Verlander and that's not their thinking at all with Miller.

[mhmajp]

They didn't do that with Verlander and that's not their thinking at all with Miller.

The team's public stance is that they want Miller to get a cup of coffee in Sept, when rosters expand.

[albo4lyfe]

It's in Miller's contract that he has to be called up in Sept. The Tigers aren't really looking for Miller to be an impact player yet, he'll get some meaningless innings and everyone will be happy. The good news is that the Tigers won't get a steal in the top 10(Maybin-10th overall, and Miller-6th overall) since they're likely to finish w/ the best record in baseball. Those guys should've went much earlier.

[Enoch]

My guess is that it has something to do with starting the players arbitration clock, etc.

[Philip Hughes Fan]

My guess is that it has something to do with starting the players arbitration clock, etc.

A September callup doesn't accopmlish this.

[Enoch]

A September callup doesn't accopmlish this.

Then I have no idea why his agent would include a september callup unless it had something to do with a bonus OR just to make the team see if he was mlb ready.

[Philip Hughes Fan]

OR just to make the team see if he was mlb ready.

My guess is this. If he shows he's further along than the team thinks than he is likely to be up in the majors sooner and his service clock will start sooner as well.

Personally, after the Thunder season is over, I want Hughes called up as well even if he doesn't pitch at all I think it would be a good experience for him.

[homer2931]

My guess is this. If he shows he's further along than the team thinks than he is likely to be up in the majors sooner and his service clock will start sooner as well.

Personally, after the Thunder season is over, I want Hughes called up as well even if he doesn't pitch at all I think it would be a good experience for him.

It's a major league contract right?The service time has started no matter where he is pitching (I think its 4 years, so the first 4 are at the salary they settled on and the next 2 are arbitration years)

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Minnesota's calling up Matt Garza, thoughts?

[ryanm1058123]

About time

[Donnybaseball72]

It's a major league contract right?The service time has started no matter where he is pitching (I think its 4 years, so the first 4 are at the salary they settled on and the next 2 are arbitration years)

That's not how it works. You still need 3 years of major league service time when your initial contract is up to be elligible for arbitration. This happened to Josh Beckett after the 03 season. He signed a major league deal out of high School and spent 3 years in the minors. He was not elligible for arbitration until 04 and settled for a $1. million 1 year deal for 03.

[In Mo I Trust]

So what is the difference between someone signing a major league contract for X amount of years after being drafted or someone getting a bonus up front?

[bmxstreetrider86]

you still get a bonus with a ML contract, but you have structured salaries. whatever portion you dont recieve as a bonus you divide up the life of the contract. a ML deal requires the player to be put on the 40 man roster

[LecheCaberera2826]

Minnesota's calling up Matt Garza, thoughts?

Good idea, especially when the Twins are going for the wild card, but i heard that the twins are going to treat Garza the same way that they did with Liriano and Santana which is start him in the bull pen which i think is ridiculus.

[AustinTXHorn]

My guess is this. If he shows he's further along than the team thinks than he is likely to be up in the majors sooner and his service clock will start sooner as well.

I'll go ahead and make the prediction that I think Miller throws less than 30 innings in the minor leagues after September of this year, if that.

I think that he will be a pretty big addition out of the bullpen for them. When he came out of the 'pen for UNC in the CWS, his first warmup pitch was 100 MPH. His first official pitch was 98. Not bad for a lefty.

[mbn007]

Good idea, especially when the Twins are going for the wild card, but i heard that the twins are going to treat Garza the same way that they did with Liriano and Santana which is start him in the bull pen which i think is ridiculus.

If it is true that Liriano is going on the DL, I can understand Garza being called up. Otherwise, they do not really need him now. The pitching is solid, and they are in a pennant race for the WC, why expose an untested rookie to that?

[gdn]

Pelfrey on the 7-day DL with a strained lat as per BA's Daily Dish.

[MaximMan121]

Miller probably is trying to become a Super 2, rather than having to wait for the full arb clock to run.

Then again, someone with more knowledge of the subject explaining it better would probably be for the best. I just have the idea that under a certain number of innings pitched, but in the top 15% of the league as decided by an arbitrator, prospects can become Super 2 and opt for higher arbitration payouts or an earlier FA after a specific amount of ML time. Someone who understands it full yexplaining would be much appreciated.

[ICEBERG18]

Matt Garza: 2.2IP 8-H 7-ER 2-BB 2-K 2-HR (ML debut)

Some call him the Twins Philip Hughes and the best pitcher in the Minors.

[Yankees-26rings]

Matt Garza: 2.2IP 8-H 7-ER 2-BB 2-K 2-HR (ML debut)

Some call him the Twins Philip Hughes and the best pitcher in the Minors.

He is the Twins Phil Hughes but some say he is the best in the minors but,
Most say Hughes is.