Yanks Looking At Wilson Betemit

[mbn007]

Furthermore, it's just a poor use of value. Betemit is 25 has an OPS of .844, you could spin him for something much more valuable than a backup infielder...

I did state that this trade allows me to look into trading a cano in the off-season for a starter.

Not sure where I said you spin him for a backup infielder.

[Iknowcool]

I'd be down for this trade. Betemit has an .840+ OPS, plays great defense at third and could move to the OF if needed. Proctor is a good player, but hes a reliever. We could call up Cox if needed, or acquire a similar reliever for someone like Sean Henn or Jeff Karstens.

[barbados]

this thread has gone completely off the rails.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Furthermore, it's just a poor use of value. Betemit is 25 has an OPS of .844, you could spin him for something much more valuable than a backup infielder...

olney mentions betemit going for linebrick

[ICEBERG18]

this thread has gone completely off the rails.

Pretty much.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

I did state that this trade allows me to look into trading a cano in the off-season for a starter.

Not sure where I said you spin him for a backup infielder.

No the use you have for him is a backup infielder, as you stated before...

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

olney mentions betemit going for linebrick

That would improve the team but it still needs offense...

[Bleacher_Creature]

OK guys don't thread me to death, its just a though.....not that I'd be for it, I'd be pissed, but I reiterate, its only a thought.....

What IF Cashman has thought about trading A-Rod, what IF Cashman has gotten calls about A-Rod, and maybe there was a deal out there from a dark horse worth exploring???

Not making this an A-Rod thread, and not implying anything, but as I'm sure many of you have witnessed over the years....if theres a possiblity then its totally possible with the Yankees....

[gdn]

OK guys don't thread me to death, its just a though.....not that I'd be for it, I'd be pissed, but I reiterate, its only a thought.....

What IF Cashman has thought about trading A-Rod, what IF Cashman has gotten calls about A-Rod, and maybe there was a deal out there from a dark horse worth exploring.

Not making this an A-Rod thread, and not implying anything, but as I'm sure many of you have witnessed over the years....if theres a possiblity the its totally possible with the Yankees....

[Ghost of Dan Pasqua]

OK guys don't thread me to death, its just a though.....not that I'd be for it, I'd be pissed, but I reiterate, its only a thought.....

What IF Cashman has thought about trading A-Rod, what IF Cashman has gotten calls about A-Rod, and maybe there was a deal out there from a dark horse worth exploring.

Not making this an A-Rod thread, and not implying anything, but as I'm sure many of you have witnessed over the years....if theres a possiblity the its totally possible with the Yankees....

"This is Alex’s home," Cashman said. "He’s not going anywhere. It’s just a created topic. That’s all it is. It’s not something being considered internally here. We are not moving him."

This is a dead issue. Cashman, if nothing else, never purposefully lies to the press. If something is up, he says "no comment". If he comments, in these specifics, it's dead. This has been going back since 1998 when Cashman took over as GM in his dealings with the press.

[Jeter Kid]

Betemit is pointless to have once Cano is back since we have Cairo... Why would we give up one of the better relievers in Proctor to acquire a bench player that would be battling with our very capable original Miguel Cairo? Doesn't make sense.

[Bleacher_Creature]

"This is Alex’s home," Cashman said. "He’s not going anywhere. It’s just a created topic. That’s all it is. It’s not something being considered internally here. We are not moving him."

This is a dead issue. Cashman, if nothing else, never purposefully lies to the press. If something is up, he says "no comment". If he comments, in these specifics, it's dead. This has been going back since 1998 when Cashman took over as GM in his dealings with the press.

I agree, but we don't really know how these negotiations work, he never told us about David Justice or Roger Clemens, but you have a point, I read that article too and like I said its only a thought, maybe someone called him on Monday with a proposal

Back to Betemit, if it is true, Proctor for Betemit, I'd do it, remember Torre lost confidence in Proctor, after he over taxed him, maybe they feel that since his stock has risen a bit, its worth a shot. I think Vallone/Beam can take over the seventh inning.

[yanksphan]

"This is Alex’s home," Cashman said. "He’s not going anywhere. It’s just a created topic. That’s all it is. It’s not something being considered internally here. We are not moving him."

This is a dead issue. Cashman, if nothing else, never purposefully lies to the press. If something is up, he says "no comment". If he comments, in these specifics, it's dead. This has been going back since 1998 when Cashman took over as GM in his dealings with the press.

So you're saying there's a chance?

[Blaze]

Pull the trigger. it's such a no-brainer. Then you flip betemit, Sardinha,and maybe Felix Escalona to the Giants for Schmidt. You throw in some cash to make it work. This is more than enough to get that done. Then you give houston a jingle, maybe drop a Duncan and cash for pettitte swap, and, suddenly, the rotation is loaded.

Randy
Moose
Wang
Schmidt
Pettitte

This rotation will win the AL East by 12 games. In the playoff, Wang becomes the specialist and Pettitte becomes the No. 4 guy. I'll be honest, how I'm not on the payroll is beyond me.

I don't think there is anyway anything even close to that is happening.

[ryanm1058123]

Pull the trigger. it's such a no-brainer. Then you flip betemit, Sardinha,and maybe Felix Escalona to the Giants for Schmidt. You throw in some cash to make it work. This is more than enough to get that done. Then you give houston a jingle, maybe drop a Duncan and cash for pettitte swap, and, suddenly, the rotation is loaded.

Randy
Moose
Wang
Schmidt
Pettitte

This rotation will win the AL East by 12 games. In the playoff, Wang becomes the specialist and Pettitte becomes the No. 4 guy. I'll be honest, how I'm not on the payroll is beyond me.

lol.. this is the funniest trade rumor i've ever heard on here

maybe we can get delmon young for jt stotts

[In Mo I Trust]

Betemit is pointless to have once Cano is back since we have Cairo... Why would we give up one of the better relievers in Proctor to acquire a bench player that would be battling with our very capable original Miguel Cairo? Doesn't make sense.

He isn't pointless to have, he is a more valuable commodity than Proctor. If this deal is on the table, do it and figure out what to do with Betemit and Cano in the offseason.

[Mr. Mxylsplk]

Good Answer -
He is going to be a great player, but first of all where is he playing for the yankees??
Second base (which he has only played 11 times in his career) till Cano comes back in 2 weeks? Then where? Play for A-rod or Jeter??
Now let me ask you - who is going to be the yankees set-up men now that you traded away proctor and smith??
You cant just get guys because you like them, you need guys that will fit into your team!

For such a whopping discrepancy in value, you make the acquisition and then figure out how to fill the spots opened up by the trade. The fascination with Proctor just gets more astounding as the thread rolls along.

[hellonewman]

I wouldn't believe George King if he told me tomorrow was Thursday.

[brosiusbuddy]

He isn't pointless to have, he is a more valuable commodity than Proctor. If this deal is on the table, do it and figure out what to do with Betemit and Cano in the offseason.

How is he more valuable to this team than Proctor? Betemit would maybe see 2 weeks of shared time with Cairo until Cano comes back, at which point we'd have both Cairo and Betemit on the bench. So at best, Betemit would give us 2 weeks of at bats and then go into a late inning replacement, once a week role.

How is that more valuable to a guy who leads the team in appearances and since the ASG has been flawless?


BTW, this thread should be closed because Cashman would consult with Torre before making such a move at which point Torre would tell Cashman he didnt like it because Proctor is his favorite reliever outside of Mo and because he likes Cairo too much.

[In Mo I Trust]

I didn't say he is more valuable to the Yankees, I said he is a more valuable commodity. Proctor is on a hot streak, his value will never be any higher. I'd like to sell high and get a good young player. Beam/Villone could handle the seventh inning.

[yanksphan]

How is he more valuable to this team than Proctor? Betemit would maybe see 2 weeks of shared time with Cairo until Cano comes back, at which point we'd have both Cairo and Betemit on the bench. So at best, Betemit would give us 2 weeks of at bats and then go into a late inning replacement, once a week role.

How is that more valuable to a guy who leads the team in appearances and since the ASG has been flawless?


BTW, this thread should be closed because Cashman would consult with Torre before making such a move at which point Torre would tell Cashman he didnt like it because Proctor is his favorite reliever outside of Mo and because he likes Cairo too much.

"Leads the team in appearances"

Well we all know what that means....

[Quangormo]

I would do a Proctor for Betemit trade every day of the week and twice on Sundays. He could play second until Cano gets back, then switch over to first.

And he plays SS and 3B too, not that the Yankees need much there, but he's a good backup, just in case.

[Quangormo]

As soon as I read that piece about the Yankees turning down Abreu straight up for Proctor, I knew it was BS.

I don't think Brian turned down Abreu for a middle reliever. That's just silly.

[Quangormo]

this trade makes no sense, we don't need infielders,

Two words: Nick Green.

[RIYankee23]

If Smith and Proctor is all it takes to land Betemit, Cashman would be a fool not to do that trade.

I take it you're being sarcastic.

However, why are we even talking about trading away pieces of the bullpen for a backup infielder????

Especially considering how well Proctor has looked for us. Even Matt Smith looked great in his brief stint up here. I repeat, bullpen needs to be an area of strength, we simply cannot afford to be trading any bullpen arms away.

The old adage is more true now than ever: you can never have enough pitching!

[Quangormo]

"so-so IF?"

Betemit could take ANY current Yankee IF's job, and we'd improve defensively dramatically.

But then again, I don't think we're interested in him for ourselves.

Somebody suggested San Diego. Could we possibly be acquiring him for Washington or Philadelphia, to packlage for Sori and a pitcher (Armas/Ortiz) or Abreu and a pitcher (Lidle/Lieber)?

[RIYankee23]

How is he more valuable to this team than Proctor? Betemit would maybe see 2 weeks of shared time with Cairo until Cano comes back, at which point we'd have both Cairo and Betemit on the bench. So at best, Betemit would give us 2 weeks of at bats and then go into a late inning replacement, once a week role.

How is that more valuable to a guy who leads the team in appearances and since the ASG has been flawless?


BTW, this thread should be closed because Cashman would consult with Torre before making such a move at which point Torre would tell Cashman he didnt like it because Proctor is his favorite reliever outside of Mo and because he likes Cairo too much.

Exactly. I would commit Cashman for a #$@ straight jacket if he did something that stupid.

[In Mo I Trust]

Exactly. I would commit Cashman for a #$@ straight jacket if he did something that stupid.

Three weeks ago everyone would have done this trade in a second. Proctor's recent hot streak shouldn't dramtically change this.

[diehardyankeefan]

I would do a Proctor for Betemit trade every day of the week and twice on Sundays. He could play second until Cano gets back, then switch over to first.

What's wrong with Cairo?

[TheMick@ND]

I posted this in the dump Proctor thread because I didn't see this one, didn't see it here in a quick scan either. Olney said in his chat today that the if the Yankees traded Proctor for Betemit they would then trade Betemit to the Padres for Linebrink. Not sure why this would happen though unless the Braves like Proctor more than Linebrink.

[Mr. Mxylsplk]

What's wrong with Cairo?

He stinks?

[JDPNYY]

What's wrong with Cairo?

Cairo?


Oh my.

[AMYanks]

What's wrong with Cairo?

What isn't wrong with Cairo?

[RIYankee23]

Three weeks ago everyone would have done this trade in a second. Proctor's recent hot streak shouldn't dramtically change this.

Why not? He's still young with a ton of potential. He's actually been living up to it lately and the secret may be he's actually effective when he's not overused. The kid throws 100 and is a valuable asset. He's are 7th inning guy now and can eat a ton of innings (tied for most appearances in the AL with Farns). If we lose Proctor for a backup IF, who replaces him? Villone? Then you lose an effective 7th inning guy and valuable depth. That goes against all sound principles.

If the deal happens, it better be part of another deal to follow, otherwise if makes no sense whatsover.

[Quangormo]

He's 6'-3" 200 lbs. I was thinking the same thing. He's already doubled his homerun total from last year in fewer at bats. More power may be in his future. He is slg. 500 this year. I don't think he has ever played first before though.

It's not like learning SS or CF, however.f

[dabomb2045]

What's wrong with Cairo?

The same thing thats wrong with Crosby. They stink.

[RIYankee23]

I also heard that Cashman could trade Proctor for Betemit, then ship him to the Padres for Linebrook.

Linebrook has a 3.92 Era with a 1.18 WHIP
Proctor has a 4.03 Era with a 1.20 WHIP

Basically the same numbers except Linebrook would have to make an adjustment to the AL and Proctor has yet to give up a run in 9 IP since the all star break. WTF??? Don't don't do it Cash!!!

[yanksphan]

I posted this in the dump Proctor thread because I didn't see this one, didn't see it here in a quick scan either. Olney said in his chat today that the if the Yankees traded Proctor for Betemit they would then trade Betemit to the Padres for Linebrink. Not sure why this would happen though unless the Braves like Proctor more than Linebrink.

Word here in San Diego is the Braves DID offer Betemit for Linebrink. The Pads said Linebrink is not on the table. So the Braves are now turning to us for Scott Proctor.

Someone else posted an article where the Braves believe the answer to their season is relief pitching.

[brosiusbuddy]

Someone else posted an article where the Braves believe the answer to their season
is relief pitching.

Hey whattaya know? Pitching being the key to a teams season? Sounds like another team I know called the Yankees. DONT TRADE PROCTOR.

[Bern baby Bern!]

Wow, i cant believe some of the things I am seeing
Aright to break it down:
You cannot trade away an arm from the bullpen we have right now, it is just not possible, whether its Villone, Proctor, Farns, or Myers you need those guys to be available to this club bottom line. Especially the way Proctor has pitched as of late. The only reason why proctor went on a cold streak a few months ago was because Torre went to him every night cuz he didnt have faith in anybody else in the pen, not Farnsworth or Sturtze. Now with Villone and Farns pitching the way they have, Proctor is not used 10 innings a week.
Second - Betemit cannot help this club. He is a great player and will get better, but with lack of experience at second base (which obviously is a position everyone wants him to play since he is not taking Jeter or A-rods spot) and Cano coming back soon, I just dont see the need for him and willing to give up a great set-up man. You cannot fill in the role of a set-up man. You cannot expect Beam or Smith to fit his shoes - just not happening.
You can, however, have Cairo play second for the time being and he has done great so far.

[yanksphan]

Hey whattaya know? Pitching being the key to a teams season? Sounds like another team I know called the Yankees. DONT TRADE PROCTOR.

Not exactly apples to apples (have you seen the Braves pen?) - but I understand your point.

I know you're in love with Proctor, but seriously, you're really overvaluing him if you can't see Betimit's worth to the Yankees - whether it be as a fill-in player, a replacement for a traded player, or future trade bait.

[AMYanks]

You can, however, have Cairo play second for the time being and he has done great so far.

Yeah, his .590 OPS makes me all warm and tingly inside.

[JDPNYY]

Yeah, his .590 OPS makes me all warm and tingly inside.

Cairo. heh.

[In Mo I Trust]

Wow, i cant believe some of the things I am seeing
Aright to break it down:
You cannot trade away an arm from the bullpen we have right now, it is just not possible, whether its Villone, Proctor, Farns, or Myers you need those guys to be available to this club bottom line. Especially the way Proctor has pitched as of late. The only reason why proctor went on a cold streak a few months ago was because Torre went to him every night cuz he didnt have faith in anybody else in the pen, not Farnsworth or Sturtze. Now with Villone and Farns pitching the way they have, Proctor is not used 10 innings a week.
Second - Betemit cannot help this club. He is a great player and will get better, but with lack of experience at second base (which obviously is a position everyone wants him to play since he is not taking Jeter or A-rods spot) and Cano coming back soon, I just dont see the need for him and willing to give up a great set-up man. You cannot fill in the role of a set-up man. You cannot expect Beam or Smith to fit his shoes - just not happening.
You can, however, have Cairo play second for the time being and he has done great so far.

Proctor is not a great set up man. Why can't I expect Smith or Beam to pitch to an ERA of 4 for the rest of the season?

[Bern baby Bern!]

Yeah, his .590 OPS makes me all warm and tingly inside.

You know what? For now, its good enough.. I rather have a guy out there in the pen who has given up 3 hits in 9 innings with 12 strikeouts since the ASG who cannot be replaced than to have a guy hitting better than Cairo in the number 9 slot in the lineup for 2 weeks to Cano comes back.

[Bern baby Bern!]

Proctor is not a great set up man. Why can't I expect Smith or Beam to pitch to an ERA of 4 for the rest of the season?

Because they have pitched - what? 13 innings so far combined???
You cannot expect them to take the spot of Proctor with absolutely no experience whatsoever, and go down the stretch hoping its this guy that will hold the game for the yankees in a tight situation and get the ball to MO.
I rather have a guy hitting below .200 in the 9 slot of the lineup than give up a reliever right now.
I dont know why nobody can see how a reliever is so big these days, especially with so few out there

[yanksphan]

You know what? For now, its good enough.. I rather have a guy out there in the pen who has given up 3 hits in 9 innings with 12 strikeouts since the ASG who cannot be replaced than to have a guy hitting better than Cairo in the number 9 slot in the lineup for 2 weeks to Cano comes back.

Why can he not be replaced? Why is the 12 innings of work since the ASG more prudent than what he's done over the rest of the season?

[RIYankee23]

Hey whattaya know? Pitching being the key to a teams season? Sounds like another team I know called the Yankees. DONT TRADE PROCTOR.

Hey, what a great concept!

I'm sick of reading garbage about how we can afford to upgrade our offense at the expense of our pitching.

I only hope the Chisox get Sori while their pitching staff keeps them out of the playoffs as further proof of how you don't win that way!

[RIYankee23]

Why can he not be replaced? Why is the 12 innings of work since the ASG more prudent than what he's done over the rest of the season?

The point is that Proctor is pretty damn effective now and has always had great potential. If he goes, we better get someone who can effectively replace him.

[AMYanks]

Because they have pitched - what? 13 innings so far combined???
You cannot expect them to take the spot of Proctor with absolutely no experience whatsoever, and go down the stretch hoping its this guy that will hold the game for the yankees in a tight situation and get the ball to MO.
I rather have a guy hitting below .200 in the 9 slot of the lineup than give up a reliever right now.
I dont know why nobody can see how a reliever is so big these days, especially with so few out there

You're acting like Proctor has tons of experience. There's a far greater chance that Smith or Beam can pitch to a 4 ERA than there is that Cairo hits for an OPS of near .850.