IIRC, he grew up near Tidewater, Va where at one point, the Mets had a AAA farm club. I guess that's how his interest in the Mets got started.Originally Posted by ppa79
IIRC, he grew up near Tidewater, Va where at one point, the Mets had a AAA farm club. I guess that's how his interest in the Mets got started.
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Why does JOhn Miller insist on pronouncing Beltran's name as Beltron? He emphasizes every Latin players name and he sounds like a moron.
The Mets are taking it to the Phillies tonight, hammering them 8-0 in the 6th inning. Jose Reyes hit a grand slam.
can somebody tell me why people aren't hitting john maine
While the players may be unwise for signing like this, credit to the Mets for doing as the Yanks should. Lock up the players while they are young. I'd like to see the Yanks sit down with Wang after the year and work something out.
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He is pitching to NL lineups.. That could be a reason..
All said though, he does seem to have halfway decent stuff...
Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way
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He's averaging 13 mil a year in the years he would have been eligible for free agency (2010-12)
Maine has pitched a couple good games in the AL too. I think he is a pretty good pitcher.He is pitching to NL lineups.. That could be a reason..
All said though, he does seem to have halfway decent stuff...
"Long Island is New Jersey with a GED." - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
He got his head handed to him on a number of occasions in the AL though.
with that said- I think he has a good chance of being a part of the mets rotation of the future. More so than Mike Pelfrey.
According to the pronounciation on his ESPN.com player card, it is pronounced "Bell-TRON".
Lo Duca is getting a divorce that is why he isn't going to talk to the media.
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionaln...n_new_york.htm
I wonder if this means he isn't going to talk to Benigo anymore?
"Long Island is New Jersey with a GED." - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
Only The New York Post would have this story (actually I'm sure it's her picture that really raised its profile) occupy ~95% of the front page, while in small print at the bottom is the unimportant news that 15 Israelis were killed by Hezbollah.
ETA: Apologies to the moderators if this is not considered appropriate content for the forum. Was only trying to point out how the tabloids sensationalize a player's alleged transgressions, particularly if there is a revealing photo of someone involved that can be plastered on the front page to boost sales.
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Ah, that explains LoDuca's recent behavior.
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All I know is that if his paramour looks like that skank that Liz Hurley's ex-BF cheated on her with, he's got poor taste.
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Geez, I player can't even get divorce anymore without his life story becoming headlines for the back pages of the NY tabloids.
I really hate the press who are nothing, but a bunch of pissants.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/st...p-372049c.html
The sad thing is that there are people out there who eat this stuff up.Only The New York Post would have this story (actually I'm sure it's her picture that really raised its profile) occupy ~95% of the front page, while in small print at the bottom is the unimportant news that 15 Israelis were killed by Hezbollah.
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Was he put on the roster? He's been pretty good off the bench, IIRC.
Don't look down here.
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Sierra Mist may be a new Met fan.
Ruben Sierra is prepared to join the Mets if his ailing mother's condition improves soon. Sierra hit .179 with four RBI in 28 at-bats for the Twins before his July 10 release. The goal would be for the 40-year-old, switch-hitting outfielder to work into playing shape in the minors, join the Mets in September and be available for the postseason roster - assuming he can prove himself during the minor-league stint. "Ruben is her only available child and he is taking care of her. If her condition does not improve soon, it is possible that Ruben will not join the Mets," said agent Chuck Berry, who plans to be at Shea today to visit client Julio Franco.
"Long Island is New Jersey with a GED." - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
All I want to know Paul is why? Every "average Joe" guy in America would give an arm and a leg for that.Only The New York Post would have this story (actually I'm sure it's her picture that really raised its profile) occupy ~95% of the front page, while in small print at the bottom is the unimportant news that 15 Israelis were killed by Hezbollah.
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Heh. I also heard on the radio today that he was after a 19 year old girl. Keep in mind that Lo Duca is 34. And that the girl rejected him as well. Talk about a bad week
Somewhat buried in that completely unnecessary story about Paul LoDuca allegedly having an affair is something rather interesting:
That is a potentially serious issue, as MLB does not take gambling lightly. Even if he has not bet on baseball, there's always a huge concern about professional athletes getting into serious debt with gamblers.Lo Duca also was hit yesterday with the announcement that the Mets will probe claims that he has heavy gambling debts.
Last edited by Prickly Pete; 08-09-06 at 05:33 PM.
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Hmmm. Maybe the real reason that LoDuca isn't talking to the media is that he lost a bet.
2009 - World Champion New York Yankees!!
The Mets are running away with the National League this year, and that's an understatement. They are 26 games over .500 (71-45). The Cardinals are second in the NL at only 7 games over .500 (62-55), and the Dodgers are 6 games over .500 (62-56). After that you basically have .500 teams or worse.
In fact, if you changed the playoff system so that it seeded the eight teams with the best records, the Mets would be the only National League team to make it. If the season ended today and you seeded the playoffs NCAA Basketball-style, it would look like this:
#1 Detroit (76-41) vs. #8 Toronto (63-55)
#4 NY Yankees (68-46) vs. #5 Boston (68-48)
#3 Chi White Sox (70-46) vs. #6 Minnesota (68-49)
#2 NY Mets (71-45) vs. #7 Oakland (65-52)
As a fan, I think that this playoff seeding system would be more exciting than what we will actually get. So Bud Selig, for the 2006 baseball season, please only allow the Mets to qualify in the National League, then have 7 American League teams. Thanks, Bud.
real short night for petey tonight
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he got SMASHED..
sounds like he left the game with an injury too.. Bad news for the mets
Just announced on WFAN- Pedro Martinez to the DL with a strained calf.
Eh, we don't need him til October 3rd anyway, provided we can actually win about 15 games between now and then.
Agreed, but you guys just shut him down..
Now if he is back in two or three weeks and throws a couple of starts to get back into game shape, even if only 4-5 IP per start by design, it'll be OK..
But if he is out too long to build back up to game shape, you guys are in trouble..
Personally, there is no way the Mets blow this lead, they are as good as gold NL East champs.
But I would pick them to lose to ANY of the AL contenders in a WS... Yanks,Bosox, Chws, Minn, Det, Laa, and perhaps even Oakland. I think all of those teams would beat the Mets..
The rotation has Pedro hurt and Glavine getting rocked. Not much else there. Wagner has been inconsistent this year, Heilman even moreso, their best reliever is gone for the season. I still like their offense, but their pitching would match up poorly with most other teams'...
Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way
-George Steinbrenner, 1930-2010
Despite what the records say, The Dodgers are a better team than the Mets. I'll take Penny, Billingsly, Lowe and Maddux over Pedro, Glavine, Elduque and Maine any day. Both teams have good line ups and I like the Dodgers pen better (Blown Save Billy= playoff choke aritst)
Do you have a personal vendetta aimed towards the Mets? All you post is negative nonsense about the team.
The Dodgers are 10 games worse than the Mets for a reason. The Mets have a much better lineup. Penny has been pretty awful since the All-Star break, Billingsley is radically inconsistent, Lowe is in the same boat as Penny, and Maddux was awful before the trade.
And you throw blows at the Mets 'pen and say the Dodgers is better and cry "Billy the Goat" without naming one good Dodger reliever. Hmm, maybe because they only have one good reliever -- Jonathan Broxton, who is worse than Wagner in most categories. Oh, yeah, ever heard of Roberto Hernandez (2.98 ERA)? And Aaron Heilman, whose been hot since the break?
The Dodgers are a significantly worse team than the Mets. It's not really even close.
Some of that really isn't fair. They split the season series with the Yanks 3-3 and if not for a freakish blown game by Wagner would've gone 4-2. They are similar teams in many ways -- talented lineups, questions in the rotation, solid 'pens. The Angels are not even a playoff team at the moment and are significantly less talented than the Mets, and Oakland has similar rotational problems and a much worse lineup. Boston has severe rotation issues, a mediocre 'pen outside of Papelbon, and an overrated lineup. The White Sox and Twins are the scariest teams IMO because of the potential of their pitching.
Glavine has been much more impressive than you're letting on lately. He's strung together a few good starts after a rough stretch and has still been among the better pitchers in the NL (12-6 after tonight's tough-luck loss). Pedro was impressive (minus the outing during which he was hurt, on Monday) after he came off the DL. Maine strung together 26 scoreless innings.
Wagner hasn't been that inconsistent -- he still has a mid-2 ERA and will probably reach 35-40 saves this year. As already alluded to, Robo is an excellent replacement for Sanchez, and Heilman has been excellent since the break.
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personal vendetta? no, I just think the mets are grossly Overrated.
Heilman has been OK over all this year and I'm gonna enjoy watching wagner give up huge hits in the post season for the mets...
Penny's had a rough time after the all star break, but i'll take him over ANY of the met starters at this point. Billingsly has been excellent in 6 of his last 7 starts (it's something called adjustments.) How about the mets? Pedro is Damaged goods, Glavine has been pretty bad since june, Elduque is inconsistant at best, and maine had a little hot streak- He's not that good.
and have you heard of a dude named takashi saito? He's been pretty awesome out of the pen. Hell of alot better than anyone the mets have sent out there.
Talk about Wagner and his 2.5 ERA all you want.. He's only had ONE apperance in the post season where he didnt allow a run. This includes a 2 run BOMB chipper jones (who has terrible numbers vs Wagner in the regular season) hit against him in a crucial spot.
More nonsense spewing from your keyboard? Yes.
The Mets are grossly overrated? Only in your end of the spectrum. In fact, this whole AL nonsense makes me feel they're underrated in that nobody thinks they'd have a chance in the World Series. They're more talented than any NL team, and its not really close at all. With Floyd healthy, their 1-7 stacks up with any AL lineup. You are grossly underrating their bullpen; they have the best 'pen ERA in the NL. But facts don't seem to gel with you anyway. Yeah, they have rotation issues, but you're overstating the Pedro problem (it's his leg, not his arm, and it was just a slight strain. Why stick him out there in meaningless games when they can get a look at young kids and rest him for when it matters again -- on October 3rd).
You'd take Penny over a healthy Pedro? You look like more of a moron every second. You could argue Glavine is better than Penny as well.
Since it's convienient that you bring up Wagner's postseason issues, why not mention Glavine (3.57 ERA) and Pedro's (3.40 ERA) success? Where is Penny's brilliant postseason experience? Oh yeah, it's non-existant (5.73 ERA). And this Saito guy? He's been great, but where's his coveted postseason experience? And Roberto Hernandez isn't a much worse pitcher, by the way. The Mets 'pen ERA is the best in the NL for a reason, buddy. Does that register?
How do you know Maine isn't "that good?" Nobody thought Wang was "that good." Nobody expects Maine to shutout the world, but he's been impressive and could be pretty damn good. If you'd watch him and not make baseless statements, maybe you'd get my jist.
Before yesterday's start -- a horrendous outing, no question -- El Duque ran off a perfect 3-0 July and was pretty darn good in every start. Oh, and he was pretty solid against a powerful Yankees lineup. And I think you guys know very well how El Duque steps up in the postseason, no?
I don't mind people having opinions, I just hate when people sound like morons.
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Maine and his 7+ ERA in the AL tells me he isnt that good...
Pedro will NEVER be completely healthy. He hasnt been completely healthy since 2001. I'll take Penny over Pedro now.
When was the last time glavine pitched in the post season? If you want to throw up a bunch of numbers he compiled when he was in his prime, go right ahead, all you're doing is setting your self up for dissapointment- He aint the same pitcher he was 95-2001.
And neither is pedro.
Roberto Hernandez? are you seriously trying to tell me that you think he's good? LOLOLOL! the guy like leads the world in allowing inhertied runners to score. Saito doesnt have a post season record, but no record is better than having a piss poor record (see: Wagner.)
and for all the talk about Penny being horrible after the break, why dont you look at the ERA for your top 3 starters after the break
Pedro: 5.75
Glavine: 5.45
Hernandez:6.68 (I realize this is heavily skewed)
Penny: 5.15
Billingsly: 1.76
Lowe:4.23 (I thought he was getting Pwned?)
and just for kicks, Maddux : 3.52
Now is Maddux as good as he's been for the Dodgers? no he isn't, but he's not as bad as he was for the Cubs either and I'll take him over Glavine every single time.
The mets might have the better pen ERA over the season but why dont you tell me the mets PEN era since Sanchez (your best reliever) went out for the season? Point is, the Dodgers have a better pen NOW. And since the trade deadline, the Dodgers are the better team (just wait till Lugo starts to hit)
As far as El Duque goes- He is wildly inconsistant. I wouldn't know what to expect from him in the post season (his arm is hanging on a thread.)
You obviously haven't watched (or followed) the Dodgers.
and I've seen a ton of mets and dodgers games (I go to school in southern california)- and from what I've seen- The Dodgers are better.
You'll learn that the hard way come October.
I do believe that the Mets, when fully healthy, are a better team than the Dodgers. I think that the loss of Sanchez is going to hurt the Mets a lot though...Heilman is no Sanchez.
Let's see what the Dodgers do when they come out of their huge streak.. let's see how they bounceback from their ugly defeat today. I'm a Yankee fan and I personally think the Mets are playing in an extremely weak division and league, but the Mets have played very consistent baseball. Whether this is due to their biggest competition being the Philadelphia Phillies in their division or if they are legit contenders is remained to be seen. They did, however, split versus us..that's evidence enough that they can hang around with the Yankees and the best teams in the American league.
Also,
1) I do believe Billy Wagner is a question mark going in.. his postseason resume is very spotty to say the least. But we are talking about a hall of fame closer here.. this isn't a scrub we are talking about. At least the mets can go into the playoffs knowing that they have a guy who is one of the best at his craft.
2) Aaron Heilman has been too inconsistent for my liking to be a quality 8th inning man in the playoffs for the Mets... kinda like Farnsworth on the Yanks. But like Farnsworth, Heilman has the ability and the stuff to dominate in the playoffs. We'll see.
3) The Mets lineup is absolutely stacked if they get Cliff Floyd back.. it's without a doubt the best lineup in the league if he's healthy and ready. But you can have a stacked lineup (see 2004 ALCS) and still get shut out if the other team has good pitching. If by some small miracle the Houston Astros make it to the playoffs this year, they aren't going to be a fun team to play because of that nasty pitching staff. You also gotta think that their hitters are going to perform over their heads in the playoffs like they did last year... in that case, they are a scary team.
4) The Mets have a great chance to make it to the World Series.. just as much as the White Sox, Yankees, Red Sox and Tigers do. But you've got to play the games first, and regular season dominance doesn't neccesarily mean postseason dominance.
Man, that was long.. but that's my thoughts about the Mets.
Where is the evidence that El Duque's arm is "hanging on a thread." There has been a grand total of.. hmm.. hmm.. zero?? complaints about his health. He is 100% -- he's had two horrendous starts out of six or seven since the break that heavily distort his ERA. But no, we need to conclude that his arm is hanging on a thread because a guy who wants Robinson Cano elected to high office says so.
The Dodgers don't have a better 'pen now tough guy. They don't have a proven closer and setup is spotty. Mets have a good setup guy (Heilman), a great setup guy (Hernandez), and, for all his troubles, a great closer (Wagner).
Oh, but now you must contend that Roberto Hernandez isn't good. Somehow, you were able to deduct that he lets too many inherited runners score. Wouldn't you like to know that he's inherited a grand total of.. nine runners. And three have scored. Nice to know you're utilizing your resources.
"Oh, and Wagner is a horrendous postseason closer, and I'd rather have a guy with no track record vs. a guy with a bad one." After all, Wagner's grand total of five postseason games is a huge sample size, enough to deduct a conclusion as to what type of pitcher he really is. Nice one.
Is Maddux even nearly good as he was in his Mazzone-aided days in Atlanta? If you're going to point out that Glavine is not who he was, why not look at Maddux. Based on the last two years, Glavine destroys him in terms of productivity. Look it up, smart guy.
4.52 isn't a bad ERA to you? Lowe's inching towards 5, yet it's satisfactory to you? I'd like to agree to disagree there. Oh, yeah, I didn't know "pwned" was a word. Sounds like I'm talking to a certified scholar here.
Billingsley is due to come back down to earth -- his WHIP is unhealthy, no?
By the way folks, CanoForPresident is close friends with Pedro Martinez, who told CFP that he'll never be healthy again and he will rot away. Yes, the same Pedro that came off the DL a few weeks ago and dominated minus one start -- one he was hurt in. The minor calf injury was enough to get Pedro to consider quitting from baseball. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!
Oh yeah, and let's deem Maine a horrible pitcher based on his bad ERA during his cup of coffee with the freakin' Orioles last year. Logic, my friends.
Wait until Lugo, ie a terribly overrated hitter, is back into hitting form. He's isn't even going to see consistent play every day for them. Nice for you to bring him up.
Pathetic...
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Aaron Heilman and Roberto Hernandez great setupman = lol worthy
Honestly, how can you write him off on that? I mean, I don't think he's THIS good but I'm hardly going to think he's horrible because he put up bad numbers in his first 9 career starts in the AL East under the age of 25. And actually... if you go back and look at those games he wasn't all that horrible. At least not everytime out. He just got lit up a few times, as youngsters tend to do when thrown to the wolves of the Yanks or BoSox.
That just seems like a remarkably short leash. He's just about matched his career IP in his limited time in '06. But the less than 50 IP he had prior to this means more because it was in the AL?
Hernandez is a great setup man and Heilman can be. Does that give you nightmares?
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Erin Heilwoman? HA!!
Another shutout inning, he's been flawless since the Sanchez injury.
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1.63 whip = GREAT
Regular season stats mean nothing in the playoffs. Anybody can step up and perform/not perform.
2.90 ERA = great
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Chances of that ERA maintaining with a 1.63 WHIP= Down Right terrible
Roberto Hernandez's history = pretty damn good.
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The great Roberto Hernandez gave me a nightmare last night. Hold me.
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Postseason OPS: .977
The Mets did go 3-3 against the Yankees, but did so at a time when they were playing well, and the Yankees were limping around. They have gotten some guys back in terms of health, and the trade deadling further bolstered the Yankees. The Mets are simply not as good a team, and I don't think it is that close, as the Yankees.
The Angels are better. They have a top notch rotation, loaded with young talent, and their bullpen was better then the Mets' before Sanchez got hurt, now it is far better.
I'd take the Mets lineup, but it is not as clear cut as you say, Delgado has had good power numbers but not a great year, Floyd is hurt again. I still like the Mets lineup more, but the Angels are not wasy to pitch to, and their arms scare me more than the Mets. The Tigers and White Sox are better. I agree with you about the Sox problems. But they can still play well in their own park and Manny and Ortiz have game changing ability in the lineup unlike anything the Mets have. Other than that, I think it might be close, but I would still take the Sox in a 7 game series over the Mets. Oakland is a wildcard, but if their pitching gets healthy (Harden especially, and Street stays healthy) they have a better top to bottom set of arms than the Mets. They don't hit much, but they take a ton of pitches. It'd be close. If Harden is healthy and pitches like we think he should in a short series, I think Oakland would win. If he is not, then the Mets.
But it still goes to my point if you list the AL contenders, the Yankees, Tigers, and White Sox would be large favorites over the Mets. I also think the Angels would beat the Mets.
I'll retract the Twins, but only because of Liriano's injury, not because I changed my mind. Boston is the AL version of the Mets, a top heavy, but even then, shaky rotation, good lineup and suspect pen. Heck I think the Mets pen might even be better. But the Sox have two hitters who scare me more than anyone on the Mets..
Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way
-George Steinbrenner, 1930-2010
A lot of you have unfair criticisms of the Mets, IMO, but arguing them is pointless, because no matter what, you'll disagree, and no matter what, I'll disagree.
So let's just see how it pans out.
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Today's Daily News editorial.
The stuff of legend
It wasn't the last game of the 1986 World Series, but a lot of people would swear it was. For what happened that October night in the bottom of the 10th of Game 6 at Shea, with the Mets one strike away from elimination and the Red Sox a breath from victory, is the sort of thing that illustrates the magical, fantastic aspects of baseball.
Wherever the game is played, yea unto the distant centuries, there will stand the image of Boston first baseman Bill Buckner, watching Mookie Wilson's little grounder rolling and rolling and rolling, past his glove, between his feet and into eternity. Also for eternity is recorded the fact that the Mets went on to win Game 7 and the Series.
All this is recalled because 2006 marks the 20th anniversary of that season, that game, that championship, and members of the '86 Mets will gather tonight at Shea for a celebratory reunion. A super team that was also blessed by fate, luck or the intervention of the gods, they will forever be part of the defining "ain't over till it's over" moment in the annals of the sport. Celebrate with them.
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