Because I go by ERA and not cherry picked stats to suit my argument?Originally Posted by dabomb2045
Because I go by ERA and not cherry picked stats to suit my argument?
He explained to you what ERA+ is. It's a BETTER stat than ERA.
So you're the one who's cherry picking.
Of course the Mets ERA would be depressed if their pitchers got to face Florida and DC 40 times.
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Its not a cherry picked stat. Its a better indicator of measuring a pitchers worth.
Jesus Montero since June 1 (286 at-bats):
.325/.386/.605/.991
July 1 (182 at-bats):
.348/.417/.658/1.075
He's obviously a troll, its pointless to argue, we should all just leave this thread until he goes away.
Mets fans have a right to get giddy. They are a hot team and they're playing well. I have strong feeling that come playoff time, if they happen to make it to the Series (which, obviously, is not guaranteed), they may be embarassed. They have an AL style offense, but they're starting pitching is a huge question mark. I don't understand how Mets fans can be so puffy chested when they're supposed top two starters are on the DL--1 with reasonable injury concerns and the other one in the midst of a second half slump. I was listening to sports radio and I heard Met fans really confident about the fact that Trachsel and El Duque are legit 3-4 combo. Unless the game of baseball throws us a curveball this year, I expect a huge disappointment from the Mets. Bullpen and lineup are above average. But they're starting rotation is really not that good. Perhaps I'm just looking at the rotations of the AL teams and that's why I feel that way, but things just don't add up. I really find it hard to believe that a Mets fan can be confident in winning it all when they're starters are a huge question mark.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/st...glossary/#era+
Lesson #1 for all Mets fans to read. Since this is your first time in a long time that you are still around in August, we will need to get you guys caught up real quick
Cmon Ryan....the only stats that matter are ERA, BA and RBI. omg, lets go mets!!!1111!!!!!
Jesus Montero since June 1 (286 at-bats):
.325/.386/.605/.991
July 1 (182 at-bats):
.348/.417/.658/1.075
as a Yankee fan, I drool over the prospect of John Maine on the opposite pitching mound.
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I remember the morning after the Mets got smoked by the Red Sox. Boy were Mets fans depressed, saying how they need to get starters. That's when the questions really began to surface, could the Mets, let alone any team handle an AL team if they were to go to the World Series? I just don't understand what has changed their opinion since then.
So does every other AL contender.
The Mets are a decent team. They are the class of a pathetic NL. Put them in the AL....and they are behind the Yanks, RSox, Twins, ChiSox, Tigers and A's. They would be on the level of the Angels and BJays.
Jesus Montero since June 1 (286 at-bats):
.325/.386/.605/.991
July 1 (182 at-bats):
.348/.417/.658/1.075
ERA+ takes the stadium out of the equation. Using ERA means there is no difference between a pitcher in Colorado (hitters park) or a pitcher in SD (pitcher's park).
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Hey, don't leave out the Win Method. That one's important too.
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Jaret Wright has allowed 1 HR in August.As for drooling, trust me, you wont be drooling as much a I will when I see Randy Johnson and Jaret Wright hurling meatballs to Reyes and Beltran. BOOM!!!!
0 in July
1 in June
2 in May
1 in April
Nice try. Please don't try and engage fans here in a baseball debate until you know anything about the aformentioned sport.
And that fact that you want Reyes swinging for the fences just makes me laugh.
more proof that the NL is awful: Cardinals getting owned by Dave Williams
and the Mets just signed Kelly Stinett
picking up Yankees trash
and then Keith Hernandez goes on a tangent on how this move shows that the Mets want to win
For a guy who trashes them, you seem to care a lot about them, no?and the Mets just signed Kelly Stinett
picking up Yankees trash
and then Keith Hernandez goes on a tangent on how this move shows that the Mets want to win
Not In Our House.
just watching the mets until the yankees come on at 10, thanks though
Kelly Stinnett is going to hit a goahead homer in the 16th inning of Game 7 of the World Series off of Randy Johnson to put the Mets ahead, you just know it
Oh, and where did Cardinal fan go to? The Mets need someplace to put all the dirt they swept out of Shea Stadium tonight.
The Yankees have picked up castoffs from several different teams, with varying degrees of success.and the Mets just signed Kelly Stinett
picking up Yankees trash
and then Keith Hernandez goes on a tangent on how this move shows that the Mets want to win
I can't speak to the Hernandez quote though.
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Career OPS: .965
Postseason OPS: .977
I'vebeen held corrected by some of the ERA+ stats, but I can't help but think that some would still argue the Mets are woorse than the Yanks if the Mets went on to win the whole thing.
Not In Our House.
Hmmm---Kind of like in October, 2000, when all Met fans swore their team was better and just hit a rough patch at the wrong time????
Cardinal Fan still here and Breathing. Went to the game last night.Cardinals will be LUCKY to be in the playoffs this year. (The Jim Mora meltdown comes to mind here)Kelly Stinnett is going to hit a goahead homer in the 16th inning of Game 7 of the World Series off of Randy Johnson to put the Mets ahead, you just know it
Oh, and where did Cardinal fan go to? The Mets need someplace to put all the dirt they swept out of Shea Stadium tonight.
30 games left
Tied with Cincy for the division lead.
It is fun to be in a pennant race again, may the best team win.
Yeah, last night was a pretty pathetic loss. Not that the other two were any less demoralizing, but once again, a salad tossing lefty kills the Cardinals.
This game was awful to watch.
Belliard is not a leadoff hitter.
Taguchi should not be in the starting lineup ever, IMO...and he should definitely never bat in front of Pujols.
Marquis...*sigh*
Pujols is still expanding his zone.
Our outfield defense is bad.
Tyler Johnson against a righthanded hitter should never, ever, happen...and his recent lack of control/effectiveness against lefties isn't exactly encouraging either.
I wish our owner was a stripper who's husband had died before the beginning of the season and our players could use a cardboard cutout, with ever-so removable pieces, of hers as inspiration.
Glavine is set to start the September 1st game:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5904820Left-hander Tom Glavine will return to the Mets' rotation next Friday in Houston, FOXSports.com has learned.
Glavine, 40, had wanted to pitch Wednesday in Colorado, but the Mets will start left-hander Dave Williams that night, giving Glavine additional time to recover.
It's all because of the roster move. They'll DL Glavine retroactively, and then activate him on the day he's eligible which coincidentally is that September 1st game.
They really don't need him right now.
wrong thread
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Minaya needs to be arrested for grand theft.
He fleeced the Pirates.
I don't know what they were doing to Perez in Pittsburgh but he looks filthy tonight.
Funny this comes on the day that Scott Kazmir was placed on the DL....
Perez looks more than filthy.
It's the water in Pittsburgh. No, wait, they just can't raise young pitchers. I agree, Minaya should turn himself in.
Not In Our House.
Oh, sweet irony.
Not In Our House.
and just like that he falls apart.
yeah, That's filthy, and that's why Pittsburgh got rid of him.
No control
reminds me of this guy
If you'd watched, you'd still be impressed. It was one bad pitch. And yeah, he's certainly erratic. But he's 25 and the stuff is there.
Not In Our House.
that's been the story with him the last 2 years.
I watched Oliver perez since he's been in the league. He be a better middle relief pitcher than a starter.
ahead on the count to Howard and he grooves one over the middle of the plate. Same ole Oliver
Bingo!
Wrong. Last year and the beginning of this year, thanks to the idiots in the Pirates organization, his stuff wasn't there.
Not In Our House.
We know you were watching.. the pitch was high and in.
Not In Our House.
his stuff tonight was just as good as it was whent he yankees lit him up last year- and not nearly as good as it was in 2004.
I believe you haven't see oliver pitching for the Pirates... The stuff was always there but he was always erratic. Look at his walks tonight. it was just a matter of time. there's a reason why his ERA is over 6
But it's obviously getting there.
Not In Our House.
and the two pitches before that low and away from the plate? why the change? Why give the league MVP anything NEAR the plate to Hit ahead of the count?
it's stupidity
His ERA is actually approaching 7 now.
Actually Perez's stuff isnt nearly as good as it was in 04. The Pirates messed with his mechanics to fix his control. Well his control is still crap and he lost a ton of velocity and tilt on his slider. Also rumours revolving around arm problems have been circulating a bit as well.
How? He isnt throwing the ball any better than he was a year ago. He's had injury problems and i highly doubt he'll go back to throwing his 98 MPH heater.
I don't ever think Perez will ever be a dominant pitcher because of his erratic fastball command.. but they got him for Xavier Nady. It's a steal for a guy with the upside of Perez.
I posted this earlier in this thread
It was a very accurate post.
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