The New York Mets Thread

[__starr69]

I forgot that the Mets owe Bobby Bonilla $1 million a year from 2011-2035.

http://www.baseballlibrary.com/ballp...y_Bonilla_1963

Instead of picking up his $5.9 million salary for the 2000 season, the team pledged to pay him $1,193,248.20 each July 1st from 2011 to 2035 -- nearly $30 million all told.

By the time 2035 comes along, $1.2 mil might be chump change.May have made sense at the time, but they still were better off paying him the $5.9 mil instead of paying him not to play. They may have thought "11 years from now it will be someone else's problem."

[__starr69]

I doubt it. They'd probably be willing to bite the bullet for a few years until everything's back to normal. The Mets are, after all, the richest franchise in the NL.

How many years is a "few"? Their minor leagues are depleted and from the looks of it, they're not going to be restocking them anytime soon.

[Casey37]

How many years is a "few"? Their minor leagues are depleted and from the looks of it, they're not going to be restocking them anytime soon.

Someone recently conducted a study and came to the conclusion that it would take them about seven years to recuperate. Lets see how accurate this prediction is.

[nnysiny]

Someone recently conducted a study and came to the conclusion that it would take them about seven years to recuperate. Lets see how accurate this prediction is.

who did that study?

[Casey37]

who did that study?

Someone posted a link here. Can't recall where.

[JDPNYY]

Someone recently conducted a study and came to the conclusion that it would take them about seven years to recuperate. Lets see how accurate this prediction is.

They may never recover from what Steve Phillips started.

[Joba-Walkee]

Someone posted a link here. Can't recall where.

You mean the Jayson Stark article? I wouldn't call that a study...

[Casey37]

You mean the Jayson Stark article? I wouldn't call that a study...

OK. Call it an educated guess, then.

[Casey37]

They may never recover from what Steve Phillips started.

Ahhh....yeah.

[Joba-Walkee]

OK. Call it an educated guess, then.

I'd call it "The Opinion of one scout"

[Casey37]

I'd call it "The Opinion of one scout"

Whatever floats your boat. I tend to believe him.

[Joba-Walkee]

Whatever floats your boat. I tend to believe him.

Over the opinion of other anonymous scouts?

[Casey37]

On a more interesting note...

DENVER -- Johan Santana and Oliver Perez each underwent successful surgery this morning at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan.

Santana had successful arthroscopic removal of multiple bone fragments from his left elbow, while Perez underwent successful removal of scar tissue from the patella tendon of his right knee.

Santana and Perez are expected to be fully recovered for the start of spring training, according to the Mets. Mets medical director Dr. David Altchek performed both procedures today.

[GordonGecko]

On a more interesting note...

Johan Santana and Oliver Perez each underwent successful surgery this morning at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan...Mets medical director Dr. David Altchek performed both procedures today.

Mets can't even afford surgery they have to get 2-for-1 specials

[Casey37]

Mets can't even afford surgery they have to get 2-for-1 specials

Give them some credit. Freddy Coupon knows a bargain when he sees it!

[Casey37]

When it rains, it pours. Literally. First the rusting beams at the entrance and now this? Looks like Mets ownership got ripped off in more ways than one.

The Mets' new $850 million stadium is breaking down at about the same rate as its beleaguered lineup, the Post has learned.

Less than a season old, Citi Field has been plagued by water damage to several luxury suites -- including Jerry Seinfeld's -- as well as mold, falling signs and concrete, flooding in outfield seats, faulty electrical wiring and shoddy tile work, sources said.

Yankees fans must have built the place," an insider scoffed.

"Sh- - -y Field -- that's what we call it."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regiona...te145lFGr1vyhL

[GordonGecko]

When it rains, it pours. Literally

Can you believe that? I mean, can anyone invent everything wrong with the Mets into a screenplay and not be laughed out of the producers office because it's so unbelievable?

I've said it before, but the baseball gods are exacting payback for the Mets building a shrine to the Dodgers instead of to themselves

[Casey37]

Can you believe that? I mean, can anyone invent everything wrong with the Mets into a screenplay and not be laughed out of the producers office because it's so unbelievable?

I've said it before, but the baseball gods are exacting payback for the Mets building a shrine to the Dodgers instead of to themselves

I agree. What has happened to the Mets this year is quite bizzare in every aspect. I honestly can't recall anything remotely similar happening to another contender in baseball history. As you said, building a shrine to the Bklyn Dodgers instead of themselves probably has a lot to do with their misfortunes. I can't say that I feel sorry for them, though.

[JeterRodriguezSheff]

I feel sorry for the Mets players. I dont feel sorry for the ownership or fans.

[Pinstripe Blue]

I spoke with a bunch of Met fans this weekend. The consensus wish is for the Wilpons to be forced out due to losses with Madoff. It's pathetic,but true. I am actually pulling for this to happen. Get a new owner, clean house,lose Minaya. Oh, and please rename the stadium ! Best T shirt I have seen at the new park... " I'm still calling it Shea " I guess it is a long shot .

[Peanut]

Beltran playing tonight for the first time since June. Maine supposedly starting on Sunday. Its a miracle! Too bad its a a couple months too late

[Casey37]

This is like trying to rearrange the chairs on the Titanic. No biggie.

[wexy]

And who's the Lou Gehrig of the Mets?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/sp...r=1&ref=sports

Ed Kranepool- still.

[ksison]

And who's the Lou Gehrig of the Mets?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/sp...r=1&ref=sports

Ed Kranepool- still.

Kranepool, a Yankee fan growing up

[nnysiny]

And who's the Lou Gehrig of the Mets?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/sp...r=1&ref=sports

Ed Kranepool- still.

wow. he sucked

[Peanut]

This is like trying to rearrange the chairs on the Titanic. No biggie.

Let us have our small victories ok?

This season was lost a long time ago, but its nice to have a legit 3 and 4 hitter both in our lineup at the same time. Let us rejoice in that.

[aeromac76]

Let us have our small victories ok?

This season was lost a long time ago, but its nice to have a legit 3 and 4 hitter both in our lineup at the same time. Let us rejoice in that.

I know, I hear ya, we Yankee fans have that as well, except they usually bat 8th and 9th!!

(sorry, couldn't resist!!)

[CallOfTheCrow]

Per BA:

Buffalo & Binghamton ranked among the worst teams in all of Minor League Baseball. They're two of the top 4 with Binghamton coming in 1st.

[GordonGecko]

Per BA:

Buffalo & Binghamton ranked among the worst teams in all of Minor League Baseball. They're two of the top 4.

Good job Bernazzard and Minaya, crack team of Major League Evaluating talent

[YankeeFaninATL]

Well most of their "talent" were up in the Majors.

[hellonewman]

They're two of the top 4 with Binghamton coming in 1st.

They also had to contend with a shirtless Tony Bernazard. That could not have been pleasant.

[Peanut]

Manuel says Reyes and Delgado might return after all this season. Not really buying it. But maybe we will get an entire week of our supposed lineup out there. (Assuming nobody else gets hurt b/w now and then which is a pretty big assumption)

[CT_Bomber]

I feel sorry for the Mets players. I dont feel sorry for the ownership or fans.

My thoughts exactly. Can't really feel sorry for the Yankee-hating-due-to-their-inferiority-complex fans. I remember the trash talk when the Yanks lost the first game of the season to the Orioles. Who's laughing now?

[Peanut]

They really get worse with each passing day it seems. I can't wait until this season is over.

They've actually gotten some surprsingly good starts from the scrap heap starters, but on those days (and most others) the offense is just dreadful. Wright's really been struggling the past week...something like 3-30, and Angel Pagan one of the few who actually has been hitting negates his offense, by running the bases like a chicken with his head cut off.

[GordonGecko]

Mets have been such a disappointment, the best thing that could ever happen is if the Wilpons sell out

[Peanut]

I don't really think this season is on the Wilpons. If it is true about the money problems than they should sell, but they've spent plenty for season and the past couple seasons. The problem is that some of that money wasn't spent wisely, and even more of that money landed on the DL.

[GordonGecko]

The problem is that some of that money wasn't spent wisely, and even more of that money landed on the DL.

Yes, spent by the main problem Omar Minaya. Yet the Wilpons saw it fit to give him a 3-year extension

[Peanut]

Yes, spent by the main problem Omar Minaya. Yet the Wilpons saw it fit to give him a 3-year extension

Well Minaya overall has done a good job. The Mets are still in a much better state since he took over than they were during the late Phillips era and brief Jim Duquette era. And Omar's mistake money wise was giving Ollie the 3 year deal which happened after he got the extension. But every gm has their clunkers... like Cashman and Pavano, Igawa, etc.

[YankeeFaninATL]

David Wright just owned the Phillies. 2 HR's and 6 RBI's. Phillies had a 9-5 lead and lost 10-9. Madson gave up a 2 run shot to Wright in the top of the 9th.

[Peanut]

Yeah that was the best win the Mets had in a long time. Pretty bittersweet though thinking about what could have been this season, and how these games should have more meaning than they do, but its always nice to get a good win. Its especially nice to see some flashes of the Wright of old.

[Peanut]

And just for good measure, one more knife to the gut from the season from hell. The Mets were officially eliminated from contention tonight after losing the second game of the doubleheader to the Phils as Pedro of all people goes 130 pitches over 8 scoreless innings.

[SI Baseballman]

Last night was sickening.

[aeromac76]

Last night was sickening.

Eh, why?
Moreso than the rest of the season?

Mets fans have known for many moons that 2009 is lost and that 2010 is the next real game, so why did a recent game hurt all that much?

[GordonGecko]

Eh, why?

Mets were officially eliminated from postseason play

[Casey37]

Mets were officially eliminated from postseason play

By a guy named Pedro Martinez, no less.

[aeromac76]

Mets were officially eliminated from postseason play

I must have missed something, I thought that happened in May.

[GordonGecko]

By a guy named Pedro Martinez, no less.

That guy can pitch, even if he doesn't have the stuff he can place the ball and fool batters. The surprising thing is on Sunday he actually did have stuff and threw harder than he has in a very long time.

[Casey37]

That guy can pitch, even if he doesn't have the stuff he can place the ball and fool batters. The surprising thing is on Sunday he actually did have stuff and threw harder than he has in a very long time.

I know. Wasn't he amazing? His stats in that game vs the Mets were just nasty.

Come playoff time, there's a good chance he'll be the third starter behind Cole Hamels and Cliff Lee. Who would've thunk it.

[Bozidar]

2009 was sickening, 2010 looks just as bad, it's best if i put my head in a hole during baseball season for 3 years or so.

fixed it for you

[Peanut]

That guy can pitch, even if he doesn't have the stuff he can place the ball and fool batters. The surprising thing is on Sunday he actually did have stuff and threw harder than he has in a very long time.

He didn't have that ability last yr though which was the big issue. People acted like his velocity was terrible last yr too, and it wasn't..he was throwing low 90s in a lot of starts last yr which is significantly better than he was doing when he came back in 2007, and his later starts in 2006, but he was getting knocked around all over the place.