Wilson (I believe) did not break into the bigs until 24/25 years of age. Melky is ahead of him by a few seasons. I think keeping him for the next couple of seasons and seeing how he develops far out weighs the short term gains of either Wilson or Burnitz.Originally Posted by brosiusbuddy
That's what I keep repeating to myself over and over. I can't even deal with thinking about it right now lol.
Who is this ML exec? Theo Epstein!
Actually, I think there are 2 "n"s in "veteranness."
FWIW, I just took a swing through the Pirate board on MLB.com and most of the Pirate fans seem to be hoping this trade happens, though there's a lot of skepticism there too about the rumor's validity. Here's hoping this blows over.
i like wilson, but not for melky
whether he broke into the league 5 years ago, 10 years ago or 1 year ago he is a 29 year old athlete compared to a 21 year old athlete who, no matter at what level, has played more baseball and seen more pitches. he has had more time to develop power and, naturally, is stronger. melky hasnt even started to fill out his frame yet.
and to be quite honest, i highly doubt melky is trying to hit for any real power. just like he's doing with cano, im sure mattingly is working with melky on seeing the ball and hitting the ball. that helps you become a better contact hitter and develop a better recognition of pitches than if you just swing for the fences all the time. if you have the ability to see the ball hit the ball and recognize pitches, power will come along on its own eventually. it did with mattingly.
What`s the By line on this alleged deal,rumour?Is it out of Chicago?
So, do you want this trade to happen?
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A-Rod's 2010 Season: .325, 63 HR, 164 RBI
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If the Yankees sucked but had some very nice young talent to be excited about, wouldn't you be excited to get rid of two older guys, one very old, in exchange for a 21 year old who scouts say can hit and seems to be finding his way on to top play lists and web gems with some frequency?."
FWIW, I just took a swing through the Pirate board on MLB.com and most of the Pirate fans seem to be hoping this trade happens.
No thanks. Melky may have no power, but he's young and has done a very nice job so far this year.
Never mind, I mis-read your post.
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I STILL support A-Rod
A-Rod's 2010 Season: .325, 63 HR, 164 RBI
My prediction for Javier Jazquez in 2010: 12-10, 4.84
I will gladly eat my words if I am way off.
even pirates fans know that burnitz sucksActually, I think there are 2 "n"s in "veteranness."
FWIW, I just took a swing through the Pirate board on MLB.com and most of the Pirate fans seem to be hoping this trade happens, though there's a lot of skepticism there too about the rumor's validity. Here's hoping this blows over.
Where would Wilson play?? His best position, of course, would be DH.
How does this grab you:
LF/RF- Bernie and Burnitz
1B/DH-Wilson
1B/DH-Giambi
--or--
LF-Wilson
RF-Burnitz
Either scenario is horrible defensively. We don't need a DH. Dellucci would make MUCH more sense than Wilson, IMO.
Stop trading our prospects.
I think it's great that Melky had the GW hit right at the right time so there's no chance of this trade happening. Cashman would get killed for this
of course not. with sheffields option likely not to be picked up i would love to see melky patrolling rf for years to come with the yanks. there's nothing i love more than successful home grown players.
however, i realize melky may be one of the younger guys on our team who is tradeable and with his ability and potential in mind i would demand a lot more than a washed up 37 year old and a so-so 30 year old with no defense.
good point. he would be a better solution for this year, and once our starters are back would be a great addition to our bench, which is a role he is seemingly fine with seeing as how he has been a role player or at least a part timer everywhere he's played at one point or another.
Yes. What I was hinting at was, the fact that Pirate fans are psyched for this deal is another red flag that we shouldn't do it.
No thanks.
Unless they wanna throw in Ian Snell as well.
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Yeah, apparently they call him "Beernutz."
Wilson has more power and...yeah. Melky is a homegrown product, which everyone seems to want lately and he plays in a much tougher league than Wilson does. You could argue that Wilson's numbers should improve in the Yankees lineup, but then again maybe he won't be able to adjust to NY. But most importantly, Melky will continue to improve. Wilson is almost 30 and probably past his prime. This trade more than likely won't help is much now and certainly wouldn't help for the future.
Refuse to Boo!
(Unless it's Melky. Or a Jeter GIDP. Or Damon throwing home.)
Have you seen that show? Its a couple of guys who go around the world drinking beers from all over and learning about them. Its pretty much a dream of every man being fulfilled by two lucky guys.Yeah, apparently they call him "Beernutz."
ohh lord... Cash please dont even think about this one..
I doubt it. Now if the trade looks something like this:
Pittsburgh gets:
OF Melky Cabrera
Mid-level pitching prospect
New York gets:
1B/OF Craig Wilson
OF Jeromy Burnitz
LHP Oliver Perez
Now you're talking.
No, I didn't even realize it was a show ... I just thought they were making fun of Burnitz.
Something else to think about. But Melky and Cano are best friends. You always see them laughing and talking together on the bench. I don't know about you guys, but I certainly wouldn't want to mess up any chemistry in the clubhouse unless it's a trade that can really help us.
Sierra helped Cano. Cano helps Melky. Melky helps Tabata in a few years?
Refuse to Boo!
(Unless it's Melky. Or a Jeter GIDP. Or Damon throwing home.)
good lord, that doesnt make it any better at all. quantity doesn't equal quality... and in this case neither does youthful pitching. we've exhausted why craig wilson and burnitz would be a bad deal now you want to add pitcher who has seen his era, whip, slg, oba, baa, k/bb, k/9, and h/9 all get worse each year since '04.... and for what? because he's only 25 and had one decent year out of 5 in the bigs?
i'm sure the fans razzing and the show have no connection. its not even a popular show, its on at 11pm or something like that on a random HD channel. it was just my random comment of the day
That second deal someone mentioned about us trading Melky, Beam and Smith for whatever crap Washington was offering made me physically ill.
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in my opinion you could get much better for melky.. they dont have a need for a craig wilson type player, if youre going to trade an already solid player in melky (who is only getting better) you need to get a better player (bernitz is terrible). the pirates dont have what we are looking for
Im surprised this got to 5 pages. That deal is not happening.
"Jesus Montero is a stud," one evaluator wrote in an e-mail. "One of the best young hitters I've ever seen, period."
Dont Trade Melky
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Billy Madison: Kid can't even read
Ernie: Cut it out dude your gonna get us in trouble.
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to make it simple as to why this is a bad trade, let me give you this scenario.
if seinfeld were to start airing brand new shows, in a few years there would probably be a scene where Frank Costanza gets the chance to speak to Steinbrenner and he would probably ask him "HOW COULD YOU TRADE MELKY CABRERA?!!"
I like Wilson, hate the rapidly aging Burnitz.
But its still not worth an improving Melky.
Cashman can get a better short term replacement than these two if that's what they are looking for.
we dont need those guys anyways ... Melky is fine and hes going to be a stud. and plus we have " rarin' aaron " guiel now
3rd Grader: Wa-wa-wa-once th-th-th-there wa-wa-wa-was a-a-a-a g-g-girl
Billy Madison: Kid can't even read
Ernie: Cut it out dude your gonna get us in trouble.
Billy Madison: T-T-T-TODAY JUNIOR!
ummmm.... no thanks pittsburg, u can keep burnitz and wilson.
Um...
.832 OPS for a 29 year old FA at the end of the year and a guy who should be DFAd immediately once we get him for a .733 OPS 21 year old who plays great defense... Yeah, right...
I wouldn't call his defense great, but I agree that this probably isn't the way to go.
Since his initial struggles, he's been very, very good out there. It's just a small upgrade now, and after this year, I don't know if we'd even resign Wilson, so we'd be giving up a 21 year old who is major league ready with upside for nothing.
Oh I wouldn't make the trade, I agree with you on that. Burnitz is subtraction by addition and Wilson is a FA to be anyway. I think Melky can be a .290, 15, 75 guy with a good obp and plus defense. I just worry that by being so likeable he's making himself overrated.
unless we are getting Jason Bay in return, no thanks
We have been overrating his performance for this season alone, but the fact is that he is still a 21 year old outfielder in the Bronx who has had mild success in a tough situation. Even though he hasn't been that good this year, he's got the chance to be a very nice outfielder for a long time to come. Once he matures, I see no reason he can't be a .310, .390, .470 outfielder with good defense and decent speed.
I dont think this is the case at all. I think that the great defensive plays he's made have made him likeable. He has good speed, very good tracking ability, and a very strong arm. That being said he still isnt a polished outfielder. He needs to be consistent with those skills, he needs to work on his accuracy, and he needs to make smarter choices in the OF (throwing past cutoff men to be exact). But i think making smarter choices comes with experience and for a 21 year old i'm sure things are still moving pretty fast around him when balls get hit his way. they say that as you get more experience the game around you tends to slow down so i think that will happen for him and he'll round out into a very nice OFer... especially if he eventually is moved to RF.
i think .470 might be pushing it, but I hope your right.
Horrible deal. Cashman is not that dumb. Melky is staying.
he's barely even begun to fill out his frame. he is 21 years old and still has a lot of strength to gain. some of these spray singles we see from him are going to start turning into gapper doubles and eventually a few homers. as long as he keeps working with Mattingly on recognizing pitches and seeing the ball, hitting the ball, the power will come natural.
Eric Byrnes has a .522 SLG this year. I think Melky can get within .50 points of that some day. As Brosiusbuddy said, he hasn't even begun to fill out his frame. Damon is at .471. I think that Melky can do that some day. I don't ever see him being a 30 home run guy, but I can see him getting good gap power, but at this point, it's mostly guesswork.
he better stay that way ican make mysel a Got Melky? tshirt with melkys face on th efront with a milk mustsache and manny ramirez face on the back after melky stole his HR
3rd Grader: Wa-wa-wa-once th-th-th-there wa-wa-wa-was a-a-a-a g-g-girl
Billy Madison: Kid can't even read
Ernie: Cut it out dude your gonna get us in trouble.
Billy Madison: T-T-T-TODAY JUNIOR!
I'm not thinking that Melky is a god in the outfield, but trade him for Burnitz? No. Wilson is iffy, for this to make sense (to me) there needs to be better players included.
He's only 5'11 and is already around 175-180(I'm not buying the 170 he's listed at). I'm not saying he'll never hit for any power, but .470 slugging with a .310 BA is what Victor Martinez is currently doing.
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