http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...a/14755962.htmSAN FRANCISCO - Federal investigators searched the house Tuesday of Arizona Diamondbacks reliever Jason Grimsley as part of their investigation of steroid use in Major League Baseball
Yikes, not good for Jason
Jason Grimsley? Geez.
he needs to find a new provider
I remember Jason Grimsley pitching for the Yankees as a non-roster invitee for a scoreless 2.3 IP against the Braves in the 1999 World Series and a scoreless 1 IP against the Seattle Mariners in the 2000 ALCS.
But really, Grimsley is most remembered for the Albert Belle corked bat switcharoo in 1994.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/...ain12266.shtml
"Don't Give Up...Don't Ever Give Up." - Jimmy Valvano
One must know pain to be a hero.
Well... it looks like Grimsley wanted to be remembered for a little something extra.Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
Very disappointing.
2.3 innings = 3 innings?
2.3 = 2 and 1/3
"Don't Give Up...Don't Ever Give Up." - Jimmy Valvano
One must know pain to be a hero.
Grimsly spilling the beans to the feds.
"Long Island is New Jersey with a GED." - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
Jason Grimsley? He must have been taking them the wrong way, or injecting them wrong
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener." - Billy Martin
Interesting:
According to Novitsky, Grimsley told him the names of other players he believed were using, but the names of those players were blacked out of the court records.
Canseco, Velarde, Lawton and now Grimsley?
It seems like every mediocre player to have touched the juice has spent some time as a role-player for the Yankees.
What's next? Mark Whiten revealing his sordid steroid history?
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"They should just practice during the regular season and show up for the playoffs -Ichiro on the Yankees
That 4 HR game for the Cardinals was the tipoff wasn't it?
Personally I'm thinking Homer Bush. He was the fastest player I've seen running to 1st base. Must have been the juice.
Hey Graeme Lloyd must have gotten his Benitez brawling ability from somewhere right?That 4 HR game for the Cardinals was the tipoff wasn't it?
Personally I'm thinking Homer Bush. He was the fastest player I've seen running to 1st base. Must have been the juice.
SI: Do you have a secret ambition?
Igawa: That's secret.
"They should just practice during the regular season and show up for the playoffs -Ichiro on the Yankees
"Long Island is New Jersey with a GED." - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
im sick of baseball pretending they are really trying to crack down on steroids by investigatting these crappy players. i find it hard to beleive these jason grimsley types (in other words sucky players) are the only ones they have info about. they just dont want to release whatever they find out about a big name because they know it will hurt the credibility of the game. even the raffy palmero thing last year was perfect for them. he was a guy that most people didnt think was a hofamer anyway. even with the 500 hr and 3000 hits. so people were upset but not that upset because they knew palemro wasnt really hofame worthy anyway. but they will never go after a guy who will truly shake baseball. even a guy like bonds who we all know took roids beyond a shadow of a doubt. im sure they could release something on him that would prove he took roids, but they wont.
This could potentially turn into another investigation of Balco-like proportions, especially since I heard this morning that the Feds were looking into whether Grimsley didn't just use performance enhancers, but played an active role in their distribution to other players. Grimsley has played for a lot of teams, including the Yankees - there could be a long list of players named if he fully goes that route as it appears that he already has at least partially. There are likely a lot of nervous people right now from players to teams to MLB to whoever Grimsley's source for performance enhancers was.
Grimsley admitted that he switched exlusively to HGH once MLB strengthened their testing policy and I would guess that there are many other players who did the same. Sad to say, but any player could be using HGH and unless they're caught like Grimsley was, we'll never know. I also agree that there are likely high-profile players who used or are using as well, but since they have more to lose I suspect they take extreme precautions to cover their tracks.
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Hopefully this eventually leads to a crackdown on HGH
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Postseason OPS: .977
Remember when Grimsley's resurgence, as brief as it was, was attributed to a "sports psychologist?"
I wonder what prescriptions that doc was handing out.
the thing that has come out of the steroid suspensions from the past year plus and investigations like this is the shattering of the image of what a steroid user looks like. Guys like Alex Sanchez, Grimsley, Ryan Franklin, and others are not all built like bodybuilders. It seems like nearly anyone could be a suspect, given the random nature of some of the players who have been caught
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener." - Billy Martin
no no no...he meant "sports pharmacist"
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener." - Billy Martin
I know the article was from the NY Daily News, but isn't it interesting that they always have Yankee uni's on....if they ever played for the Yankees...and have done something allegedly wrong?
Nancy
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Anybody worried the names blacked out in the report will be current or former Yankees?
Yankee Fan in Dixie Land
Eh, Giambi's name could pop in there, but it really wouldn't be anything new/surprising, would it?
Maybe a little, but Grimsley played for quite a few different teams. He played on the Indians when Thome and Manny were there and on the Royals when Beltran was there, so who knows.
Giambi and Sheff are old news and everyone knows they were users as it is, but if there are any other Yankees or high profile users of steroids/HGH in baseball, I hope they're outed by this investigation.
They deserve the shame and lack of respect from the fans, no matter which team they play for.
Well Grimsley played for the O's and the Yankees along with several other teams. But he hasn't with the Yankees for a long time.
I hope there are no Orioles involved, we had enough trouble last year with Raffy being caught on steroids. But if they are guilty, then they should be outed.
I don't see how Grimsley can prove these named players were on the juice, even if they were.
This illustrates the need for testing for HGH in MLB, that is what is involved here not steroids. MLB does NOT test for HGH and that is how the players are getting around the testing program which currently exists.
My belief is that there are far more players taking HGH or perhaps designer steroids than the average fan suspects.
Agreed.
As an aside - and forgive me if this is a newbie question - do people here tend to believe that Giambi is still on HGH?
Well, I'd better not go there.
Understandable. And probably a stupid question - it would be pure speculation.
Don't forget the Run Fairy.
42 is the answer
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Big Stein-that's not why Bobby Jr. said 'no comment'. He's an Oriole fan who blames all of his own team's problems on the Yankees, MLB, etc...He assumes the worst of players on all teams but his own. (i.e, defended Sosa last year when he was an O, now admits that he juiced since he's off the team). His 'I shouldn't go there' is a '(wink wink) Of course I think so.'
As far as an answer from this Yankee fan, I don't know. I would think not as he knows MLB is watching him closely But Jason should (and probably does) accept the fact that many fans have some distrust.
Don't look down here.
Ah - thanks for the info.
Re: Giambi, even if MLB were watching him closely, aren't their hands tied? Can't anyone take HGH and get away with it right now? Or do I not understand the current testing system correctly?
It wouldn't matter if baseball was watching Giambi or any player closely for that matter. They have no means to test for HGH so players that use it have no means of getting caught, short of being an idiot and doing it in full view of others.
That said... it wouldn't surprise me if Giambi is still using. I hope he isn't, but cheaters do tend to cheat again.
Call it whatever you want, but I really don't believe Giambi is using. He has gotten so sick from steroids, that I don't see pumping some other sh*t in his body.
I also have this part of an article a while ago:
I would, by the way, bet the house that Thome is an HGH guy.If he were tempted to use steroids now, he said, he would be a fool to give in. "Trust me, there is no way, no possible way," Giambi said this week, over two revealing interviews about his comeback. "I've gotten to this point because I'm healthy. There's no chance I'm going to take a chance on doing anything. There's no way."
Anywyays, what, I really wanted to say here is that I don't think you can underestimate how big this thing is. I think this will end up being the start of the end of the the steroid era... And big, big, big names are going to be named. On ESPN Radio Dan Patrick said he heard 3 of the names that Grimsley named. And I a quote: "Big names are menitioned" on the affidavit. And also, "names that would... 2 would shock you. 1 would surprise you."
This is going to be big folks.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Did Bobby Jr. forget that Grimsley pitched for the O's too?
if it leads to big names then ok. but remember we heard that before. especially the "2 names will shock you"
Good. No matter who they are and what team they play for if they are cheating the game then it needs to come out. As much as I would never want any Yanks to be on that list, if by chance any of them are then so be it. Get the game clean again no matter what it takes.
Grimsley requested his release from the DBacks today..
I don't blame him, if nothing else, he can't be very popular in the clubhouse today. Although like I heard on TV this morning, "that clubhouse code of silence usually goes away when the Feds come knocking".
I'm shocked by Grimsley - he's had a long career for sure, but a journeyman long reliever/emergency starter isn't what I think of when I hear roids/HGH. I'd probably be less shocked at some of the "big" names, but I guess time will tell. How much of this is the media getting all excited and how much is something real we'll see. Kinda sad, actually - I liked Grimsley when he was a Yankee.
To be sane is more dramatic than to be mad - GK Chesterton, Orthodoxy
Since it appears they have Grimsley dead to rights and not just for using but distribution, he would be a fool not to cut a deal. It is simply how big the names are and how many.
Yeah, but that time it wasn't definite. We didn't know where the names were coming from. This time we know for a fact that Grimsley has named names. I really think this is going to be huge and we are going to hear some big time names.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
I agree. The thing is, I'd bet that there are Yankees taking this stuff as there are players from EVERY team taking it. I think it is very prevalent.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
I think this is what fans need to take the time to wrap their minds around. I'm not a Giambi fan. Personally I think he's getting off way too easy. Same with the rest of the users that we know of to this point. However, I won't sit here and pretend like my team doesn't have steroid users on it, because that would make me a fool. I have my suspicions about certain players, not the least of which is a pitcher who sat out for 1/3 of this season before signing. I hope the people who did use are exposed, and I really hope baseball cracks down on it. I won't hold my breath though.
If you look at the list of players who have actually been caught and suspended, there's nothing shocking about Grimsley's suspension at all. Quite a few have been marginal pitchers just like him. It's easy to think of the big boppers, but the evidence has shown that when we hear roids/hgh, we should think of any and every type player.
It's hard to imagine otherwise.
The D-Backs released Grimsley, at his own request.
Keith Olberman is on Michael Kay right now and he said Grimsley told him about a month or so ago (After April 19, the day he got caught) that he has millions of dollars invested in his brother in-law's pharmaceutical company. I'll bet that company manufactures HGH. Wow.
Bern Baby Bern
The actual court document seems to implicate guys he played with while on the Angels and Orioles.
http://www.azcentral.com/pdfs/060706grimsley.pdf
SI: Do you have a secret ambition?
Igawa: That's secret.
"They should just practice during the regular season and show up for the playoffs -Ichiro on the Yankees
Let's pick him up and DFA Erickson.
"Long Island is New Jersey with a GED." - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
Giambi isnt on juice or HGH, he worke dout witha well known worlds strongest man contender. if he was on HGH hed be alot bigger than he is right now thats for sure, take it from someone thats done juice int he past and HGH
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