I'm sure someone already posted this but I cannot find it. So here it is:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260603124
I'm sure someone already posted this but I cannot find it. So here it is:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260603124
RIP Cory Lidle. Forever a Yankee.
I still believe.
Noooooo.
"Metallica. Screaming crowd. Jog to the mound. Game over." -C. Jennings
Oh geez. I was really rooting for him and the HR record.
Huge blow to the St. Louis Cardinals with Albert Pujols out.
Can they survive with Pujols on the DL, banged up Jim Edmonds, and Chris Carpenter returning from the DL?
The Cards hope that guys like Scott Rolen stays healthy and Juan Encarnacion picking up some more RBIs.
"Don't Give Up...Don't Ever Give Up." - Jimmy Valvano
One must know pain to be a hero.
*Feels crappy*
With all that's going on with the Cards right now.. this had to happen too!
Ouch. I actually felt SAD when I read this.
I don't like the Cardinals but I am really disappointed. I was rooting for Pujols to hit 60 this year.
Nooo. I love him. I was rooting for him so much. I actually got Tigers/Cardinals tickets in a few weeks just to see him play.
I'm disappointed. I like Pujols, I would have liked to see him get the record.
Dont worry you can see our lovely outfield then of Timo Perez, So Taguchi, and Juan EncarnacionOriginally Posted by Jete&Tino42
Nooo. I love him. I was rooting for him so much. I actually got Tigers/Cardinals tickets in a few weeks just to see him play.
Wow I never thought I'd feel sad for a player on another team getting hurt. I really wanted to see him break the HR record. Get well soon El Hombre.
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NO WAY! Oh my goodness. I feel bad now...I really liked seeing him tear up just about every pitcher he faced. Hopefully he comes back soon.
Out of curiosity, why did people want to see him beat the HR record?
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
damn...that sucks...not a huge Cardinals fan, but I was pulling for him...MAN!
For me....to take Bonds off the top of the list. Also, Pujols plays the game the way it should be played...he has some class...recently he did something that could've been taken as showing the other team up and he apologized....just an example.
This may be unfair, but if Pujols - or any batter - beats out 74 HR's, he's juicing. 61 is still the record in my mind.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Terrible for the Cardinals, and bad for baseball to boot.
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So someone can hit 61 40 something years ago with none of the nutritional/fitness study that goes on now. But if someone does it today with all of the advancements in nutrition and all that, and with the exansion of baseball, and the smaller stadiums, but if they do it today they're juicing.
Not that I dont think that Bonds was on roids, its just that I think someone could definetly beat 61 legitmately in todays game, and maybe even get to 74.
Agree to disagree my friend. I don't believe that at all. Someone could barely beat out 61, but no way will he get to 74.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
There goes my chance for winning the HR Derby contest this year.
Get well soon Albert!
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It's a shame for the Card's, but a blessing for the Reds. All the more reason for them not to deal away Dunn if they can put a push on for the division whilst St. Louie isn't as menacing.
Bad news for Albert. Bad news for the Cards. Bad news for baseball.
Problem is, when people want to look at the record book they don't say
"Hmmm, where is JeffWeaverFan's mind? Thought I had that here somewhere....."
nothing personal
My personal belief is that between 50% and 80% of MLB players are "on the juice" in one way or the other, either undetectable steroids or Human Growth Hormone, or something similar.
That being said I still wish Pujols had beat Bonds single season HR record. I may suspect that Pujols is on the juice, but with Bonds there is no question, plus Bonds is an ***.
61 was a fluke. Maris' highest prior was 39 the year before and then 33 the year after. I have no trouble believing that another fluke could beat out 61 or even 74. You are too young to remember people saying "no one will ever beat 714". It was the widespread belief yet Aaron did it and did it clean. Records are meant to be broken and they will be. Even without the juice.
Wow that sucks...
He really is a class act... One of my favorite non-yankees
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Yikes.. Edmonds can play 1st.. he's suppose to be today but why take the chance with him?
61 itself was not that flukie of a number, many players approached 60 before Maris. (Foxx and Greenberg 58 in '38 and '32). So someone hitting 61 in 162 games wasn't that hard to imagine. 70 & 73 blew those close 55 hr type seasons out of the water by 15 & 18 HRs instead of by 6 HRs like Maris. I belive those HRs that Mark, Sammy, and Barry hit were done with power of Rx. I think a Pujols can have real hot and heathly season and hit 60-65 HRs but not 70+.
Also if anyone can win a MVP with only 4.5-5 months, It is Pujols, his numbers are good enough for a All-Satr break in a MVP race.
Ouch big blow.
Alex Rodriguez
Career OPS: .965
Postseason OPS: .977
................head in San Francisco must be thrilled.
Here's how I feel about it. The most HR's anyone has hit without juicing is 61 in a season. People have come close to that record but never broke it. And now someone is not just going to break that record but beat it by 14 or more HR's? There would have to be something helping him to do that.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Too bad. He seems like a good guy, even with his age being questionable.
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im sorry but this injury screams roid head. i was wondering how the hell anybody could get injured doing what pujols did. he turned around and sprained his oblique.
exactly. we pretty much know the other 3 guys since 98 were on roids but now pujols is completly clean ?? cmon.
I belive in innocent until proven guilty.
Mo strained his back tying his shoe.
Every fantasy owner who drafted Alex Rodriguez #1 is breathing a huge sigh of relief right now, myself included.
Could it be than this so-called injury is a cover-story for a 50-game suspension? Part of a vast conspiracy orchestrated by Major League Baseball to preserve the chastity of their new generation's image? Not allowing the face of baseball to burn with Barry Bonds?
Probably not. Infact, I'm surprised it wasn't his back that he hurt carrying his team for two months.
I am not sure how much of a fluke Maris's 61 in 1961 was. While he did have only 39 the year before, 26 of those were on the road. Maris played in only 136 games in 1960. His year was probably the culmination of several different things: he turned 27 in Sept 1961 (the age when moany players are at the top), he had a year to figure out how to hit at Yankee Stadium (people concentrate on the short right field fence and forget it was very deep to center and right-center), he batted third much ofthe season in front of Mantle, he was learning the strike zone (he had 70 walks in 1960 and 94 in 1961, 7th best in the league). Expansion probably put some weaker pitchers and good hitting ballparks (Wrigley Field for the Angels, Twin'sballpark was okay to hit in). Could the extra umpires hired for a 10 team league been hitter friendly? Home runs were on a three year upswing. Dave Campbell once described Maris as a stubborn guy who resolved to get the record when most people were rooting for Mantle. A motivated athlete can push himself a little bit more.
Buster Olney had an interesting point about the Pujols injury. Alfonso Soriano now has the best statistics in the NL despite people like himself predicting he wouldn't hit in Washington.
Same here, however I would have rather seen Pujols have an all time great year.
Alex Rodriguez
Career OPS: .965
Postseason OPS: .977
Too bad. Pujols is probably my favorite non-Yankee player. I love watching him hit.
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Sorry but this is just ridiculous and is a sign of why this entire roid witch hunt is turning ridiculous.
If you didn't know, he had already been very banged up during the year including having fallen in the on deck circle as well as being baned up on some defensive plays (back issues).
Not to mention he has been tested three times this year already for roids and was in the WBC which had far stricter testing.
Anyways I hope he gets healthy fast because he's a great hitter and an all around great guy - you should see the list of philanthropies and things he does for the community in STL. In fact, he is opening a restaurant where all proceeds go to his foundation for downs syndrome.
the peds are desinged to not show up on the tests. so the tests mean nothing to me. anyway its more about the fact that he was definetly going to hit at least 65 homeruns this season had he been healthy and nobody in history has done that so far without some help. and its not a witch hunt because im not asking for anything to happen to these players. im just having an opinion.
and yes i know he was injured already but still i was shocked that he went on the dl after basically just turning around and jogging towards a pop up. whatever lingering injury he had, turning around is what was the last straw that sent him to the dl.
and him being a good guy has nothing to do with it. by all accounts giambi is a great guy. not every ped user is going to be barry bonds, who is percived as a bad guy. thats the problem. people never really liked bonds, so its easy to say hes on roids but now a great guy might be using and people were looking for someone to "save baseball" and they cant even be open to the idea that hes cheating ?? even sosa and mcgwire were never really the most liked players except in 98 when people were caught up in the hr race.
It's a witch hunt when anyone starts performing well and is labeled as suspicious as a steroids user when they have never been associated with much less implicated with steroids. Yes they might be designed to hide things but the evidence against him taking steroids is pretty damn big:
a) He's always been good since he came up - and he's been gradually getting better at an age when he should be entering his prime.
b) His body is not in the shape of a roid user - he's always been somewhat overweight if not fat.
And as for why he was hitting so many home runs this year - here's some stats (taken form hardballtimes.com):
This is a guy who hit 51 doubles in 2003 and 2004 along with 40+ home runs - you don't think it'd be possible that as he got older (and power develops last among hitters) he could convert a few of those doubles into home runs? He's hit far fewer doubles this year than any other year and his home runs have increased. In fact, this should be considered normal.Two things: he's hitting more fly balls this year and a greater percentage of those fly balls are going out of the park. Before this year, Pujols' fly ball percentage was a pretty constant 40%, but this year he has raised that to over 50%. Also, his pre-2006 fly balls had roughly a 20% chance of going over the fence, while this year's rate is over 30%. If you put the two stats together, you find that 15% of the balls that Pujols hits fairly go for home runs. Amazing. Before this year that number was about half as big.
One last note: the increase in fly balls comes at the expense of both ground balls and line drives. This should lead to a lower batting average, which might end up costing Albert the Triple Crown. In fact, his batting average on balls in play (BABIP) stands at only .220 this year, a very low number. Still, Pujols has managed to keep his average high (.314 as I write), in large part due to his .150 home run average on balls in play. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if Pujols hit 15-20 points below his career average of .331 this year.
Him being a good guy is me honestly wishing he could get healthy and play. It has nothing to do with steroids AT ALL. Period. NOTHING.and him being a good guy has nothing to do with it. by all accounts giambi is a great guy. not every ped user is going to be barry bonds, who is percived as a bad guy. thats the problem. people never really liked bonds, so its easy to say hes on roids but now a great guy might be using and people were looking for someone to "save baseball" and they cant even be open to the idea that hes cheating ?? even sosa and mcgwire were never really the most liked players except in 98 when people were caught up in the hr race.
People being a good guy doesn't mean they're above steroids but the fact remains he has never been associated with it or implicated with it and people are already here saying he might have done it. It's plain wrong.
Puuuowned? Now who will be MVP?
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all youre telling me is that more of his flyballs are becoming homeruns. if anything that might make me more suspicous.
bottom line is this. he was w/o a doubt going to hit at least 65 homers and the only 3 guys to ever do it, were all on roids. now hes going to be the 4th guy in an 8 year span to do it and im not supposed to think anything ??
I love how so many people naturally assume he's on roids because he's incredibly good, and happened to injure himself. Yeah, that could never happen to somebody who isn't juicing.
I don't know if he is on roids or not. But I would the house that he was on roids if he beat the HR record this year... Or any year for that matter.I love how so many people naturally assume he's on roids because he's incredibly good, and happened to injure himself. Yeah, that could never happen to somebody who isn't juicing.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
It sucks that a potentinally historical season is ruined by an injury.
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