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[knickfan23]

And the ECW crowd will indeed destroy Cena. I mean he will get some of the most intense heel heat you will ever see, while RVD will be getting some of the biggest face pops you will see. I hope they book RVD to win, cuz if they put Cena over in front of that crowd....I seriously wouldnt be surprised to see them riot.

Cena wont be facing RVD at One Night Stand.

Its been reported that JBL will be the opponent for Cena for the following reasons.

1. They are trying to make HHH into a face and having him with the belt at and ECW event would mess with that.

2. Edge doesnt have as much a history with ECW, so to have him in the match wouldnt generate as much juice.

3. WWE would indefinitely kill Cena's character by putting him in that spot. They are accepting of his mixed reactions with the crowd, but they do not want to put him in a hostile environment where his character would be damaged.

4. JBL was the "leader" of the anti-ECW stuff last year and they will therefore put that spin on it going into the match.

[AMYanks]

Cena wont be facing RVD at One Night Stand.

Its been reported that JBL will be the opponent for Cena for the following reasons.

1. They are trying to make HHH into a face and having him with the belt at and ECW event would mess with that.

2. Edge doesnt have as much a history with ECW, so to have him in the match wouldnt generate as much juice.

3. WWE would indefinitely kill Cena's character by putting him in that spot. They are accepting of his mixed reactions with the crowd, but they do not want to put him in a hostile environment where his character would be damaged.

4. JBL was the "leader" of the anti-ECW stuff last year and they will therefore put that spin on it going into the match.

That was the old plan, but multiple different sources (including Dave Meltzer) are reporting that it will definitely be Cena vs RVD, it's "set in stone".

[AMYanks]

I've also heard that DX will definitely be returning now. WWE media reps have been sending out word to multiple arenas to start advertising D-Generation X for future shows.

[Mattpat11]

I'm far more excited about DX than ECW

[LloydBanks]

I'm far more excited about DX than ECW

Both em of are gonna be fun to see

[Mattpat11]

Both em of are gonna be fun to see

I've seen more than enough ECW in my life. Don't need anymore.

[Yankeeah]

Bringing back ECW full time is a bad idea. It worked then, and a lot of the reason why it worked was because it was half amature.

[Mattpat11]

Bringing back ECW full time is a bad idea. It worked then, and a lot of the reason why it worked was because it was half amature.

And saying it worked is argualble. It went under and was millions of dollars in debt. No one was getting paid at the end. I'd sort of classify that as a failure.

[Yankee Bulldawg]

and Christy Hemme just signed with TNA

[AMYanks]

Hasn't Christy been with TNA for a few weeks now?

[Yankeeah]

And saying it worked is argualble. It went under and was millions of dollars in debt. No one was getting paid at the end. I'd sort of classify that as a failure.

You don't think ECW worked?

[Mattpat11]

You don't think ECW worked?

No. I think it had a nice cult following and a nice little bit of run, but in the end it was a monumental failure. Millions of dollars in debt, no one watched the shows, no one ordered the PPVs and it went bankrupt in less than ten years. It was a nice novelty, but it went under for a reason, namely the last year was some of the worst horse................ programming I've ever seen.

[Yankeeah]

No. I think it had a nice cult following and a nice little bit of run, but in the end it was a monumental failure. Millions of dollars in debt, no one watched the shows, no one ordered the PPVs and it went bankrupt in less than ten years. It was a nice novelty, but it went under for a reason, namely the last year was some of the worst horse................ programming I've ever seen.

ECW was a little mom and pop store that couldn't keep up with the Wal-Marts of the world (WCW/WWF). ECW worked. It did fail in the end because all of their stars had left, and the WWF was on fire. If ECW didn't work then why would there be such a buzz of it coming back? Why would the ECW PPV be one of the best of the entire year? Why do people still cant E-C-Dub whenever someone takes a sick bump?

And if that was the worst programming you've ever seen, you must have not watched a lot of WCW in the late 90's.

[dabomb2045]

ECW was a little mom and pop store that couldn't keep up with the Wal-Marts of the world (WCW/WWF). ECW worked. It did fail in the end because all of their stars had left, and the WWF was on fire. If ECW didn't work then why would there be such a buzz of it coming back? Why would the ECW PPV be one of the best of the entire year? Why do people still cant E-C-Dub whenever someone takes a sick bump?

And if that was the worst programming you've ever seen, you must have not watched a lot of WCW in the late 90's.

Agreed. Remember, alot of ideas from the Attitude Era were stolen from ECW.

[Mattpat11]

And if that was the worst programming you've ever seen, you must have not watched a lot of WCW in the late 90's.

WCW was a completely different kind of awful. WCW was a fun kind of awful. It was a car wreck.

ECW in the last year was like...iMpact. Eight million different things going on with absolutely none of it being important, absolutely nothing memorable, nothing to make you want to see the next show, ALDO MONTOYA as world champion, multiple title changes on the same show multiple times, it became a chore to follow.

If ECW didn't work then why would there be such a buzz of it coming back? Why would the ECW PPV be one of the best of the entire year?

Its a novelty. Doing a one shot reunion show and doing a weekly show are entirely different things.

[DontHateOnNumber2]

I'm far more excited about DX than ECW

I think many of us that frequent this thread are quick to agree.

[DontHateOnNumber2]

ECW was a little mom and pop store that couldn't keep up with the Wal-Marts of the world (WCW/WWF). ECW worked. It did fail in the end because all of their stars had left, and the WWF was on fire. If ECW didn't work then why would there be such a buzz of it coming back? Why would the ECW PPV be one of the best of the entire year? Why do people still cant E-C-Dub whenever someone takes a sick bump?

And if that was the worst programming you've ever seen, you must have not watched a lot of WCW in the late 90's.

I agree with WWF/WCW knocking ECW down and out as they didn't have nationwide exposure until close to the end. IMO people chant "E-C-Dub" because some fans remember ECW, then there are more who just were turned on to ECW whether it be by WWE's One Night Stand or downloading them off of the internet, and there are many who just following along with the chant in order to be a part of the crowd. On another note, WCW 90s I could not stand and I was pissed when Nitro was 3 hours compared to WWF/E's 2 hours. They were ridiculous! I remember checking it out for a minute and saw when The Giant (The Big Show) came out to the ring smoking a cigarette. Mike Tenay was flipping out like if he was brandishing a gun or something. They tried to make minor things seem risque and cutting edge. WCW was too conservative to survive during the Attitude Era.

[DontHateOnNumber2]

According to the Wrestling Observe Newsletter, Jeff Hardy has been approached informally about a possible summer WWE return, assuming Hardy is clear of any drug issues. Hardy is no longer under contract to TNA although a return is not out of the question.

One half of my favorite tag team may return to WWE? Wait a minute....the other half of my favorite tag team is in WWE. I would love this, both tag team divisions are run dry.

[AMYanks]

Highlight the paragraph below if you want to hear about a spoiler for RAW tonight:












Mick Foley is expected to turn heel either tonight or in the next week or so. WWE management and Foley himself feel that his current act has grown stale. That is all that is known at this time.

[dabomb2045]

Hmmm, thats very interesting. I think it would happen next week, if it does at all.

Also, I think the HHH face turn takes a big step forward tonight. According to the RAW preview on WWE.com....Vince is suppose to "make a statement" about HHH's decision to walk out on the match he was guest refing last week.

[Yankeeah]

WCW was a completely different kind of awful. WCW was a fun kind of awful. It was a car wreck.

ECW in the last year was like...iMpact. Eight million different things going on with absolutely none of it being important, absolutely nothing memorable, nothing to make you want to see the next show, ALDO MONTOYA as world champion, multiple title changes on the same show multiple times, it became a chore to follow.

Its a novelty. Doing a one shot reunion show and doing a weekly show are entirely different things.

WCW was bad for a few years, and ECW was bad (according to you) for the last year.

If you didn't like ECW thats cool, but without ECW, WWF wouldn't have been what it was in the late 90's and currently as WWE.

[DontHateOnNumber2]

Cena gets knocked out by Triple H, with HBK "knocked out" on the mat. Triple H does the DX crotch chop....HUGE pop from the crowd. I'm getting overanxious and want this DX storyline faction thing to progress a little faster.

[dabomb2045]

Cena gets knocked out by Triple H, with HBK "knocked out" on the mat. Triple H does the DX crotch chop....HUGE pop from the crowd. I'm getting overanxious and want this DX storyline faction thing to progress a little faster.

All indications is that it will happen sometime between now and Vengeance which is June 25th.....I'm prob just as excited about this as you are.

Patience my good friend...patience

[LloydBanks]

No. I think it had a nice cult following and a nice little bit of run, but in the end it was a monumental failure. Millions of dollars in debt, no one watched the shows, no one ordered the PPVs and it went bankrupt in less than ten years. It was a nice novelty, but it went under for a reason, namely the last year was some of the worst horse................ programming I've ever seen.

And yet WCW bought up all the ECW talent, put it on their TV show and went on to have a run of a few years being on top in the ratings. Their whole undercard was stolen from ECW and WCW was a joke. ECW had the best quality matches and promos you'll ever see. Of course they didn't last long. They had no money.

[BroadwayBomber55]

I talked with a fellow wrestling fan at school and he told 5 ways to fix the WWE...

1. Re-introducing a stable that knocksout the Spirit Squad
- i.e. 4 horsemen, but with younger fresh faces

2. Bring someone in the past that can beat John Cena. Bring him an opponent he can't beat in UPW. Cena should introduce a new wrestling style like he did with the STF-U. Or, better yet, make a 60-minute iron man match between him and Triple H.

3. No more lame storylines like HBK/god vs. the McMahons

4. For the Divas, an evening gown strip match

5. Introduce more high-flying lucha libre matches, but you know Vince.

[Mattpat11]

A sixty minute iron man match with John Cena is horrifying

[AMYanks]

A sixty minute iron man match with John Cena is horrifying

I was thinking the EXACT same thing.

[BroadwayBomber55]

A sixty minute iron man match with John Cena is horrifying

Ok, I'll put Kurt Angle into the mix...Nah, that won't work.

[dabomb2045]

Ok, I'll put Kurt Angle into the mix...Nah, that won't work.

I dont think Angle, in his current state....is capable of wrestling 60 minutes. He prob should retire.

[AMYanks]

I don't think anyone in the WWE right now could have a great Iron Man match. Hell, some even argue that Shawn/Bret was an overrated match. Iron Man is very hard to do, and do well.

[dabomb2045]

I don't think anyone in the WWE right now could have a great Iron Man match. Hell, some even argue that Shawn/Bret was an overrated match. Iron Man is very hard to do, and do well.

I think the best one was Angle/Lesnar IMO. I also though Rock/HHH was great.

[LloydBanks]

A sixty minute iron man match with John Cena is horrifying

Not if they make it falls count anywhere. Now that would be sweet. A falls count anywhere Iron man match

[yankeesAZ]

I talked with a fellow wrestling fan at school and he told 5 ways to fix the WWE...

1. Re-introducing a stable that knocksout the Spirit Squad
- i.e. 4 horsemen, but with younger fresh faces

2. Bring someone in the past that can beat John Cena. Bring him an opponent he can't beat in UPW. Cena should introduce a new wrestling style like he did with the STF-U. Or, better yet, make a 60-minute iron man match between him and Triple H.

3. No more lame storylines like HBK/god vs. the McMahons

4. For the Divas, an evening gown strip match

5. Introduce more high-flying lucha libre matches, but you know Vince.

Two weeks in a row we get the Spirit Squad for our main event. That's just plain wrong for us viewers. Now if it leads to a reunited DX taking them out, then I'll forgive the WWE.

[dabomb2045]

Two weeks in a row we get the Spirit Squad for our main event. That's just plain wrong for us viewers. Now if it leads to a reunited DX taking them out, then I'll forgive the WWE.

I think thats exactly what its leading to

[AMYanks]

I think the best one was Angle/Lesnar IMO. I also though Rock/HHH was great.

I enjoyed all three, but I think in all three matches, the participants were able to go 60 minutes and do it well. I don't think they have the wrestlers for that right now, so an Iron Man Match would not be a smart idea.

[yankeesAZ]

Speaking of The Rock, anyone know what he is up to these days?

[dabomb2045]

I enjoyed all three, but I think in all three matches, the participants were able to go 60 minutes and do it well. I don't think they have the wrestlers for that right now, so an Iron Man Match would not be a smart idea.

A healthy Angle could do it, HHH, Benoit and HBK can do it. Thats about it.

[Mattpat11]

Not if they make it falls count anywhere. Now that would be sweet. A falls count anywhere Iron man match

Maybe if they allow periodic substitutions for Cena.

[Mattpat11]

I think the best one was Angle/Lesnar IMO. I also though Rock/HHH was great.

The booking of Angle/lesnar really annoyed me. They really went out of there way to make Angle look bad in that match.

[LloydBanks]

Maybe if they allow periodic substitutions for Cena.

Wow...

[Mattpat11]

Wow...

What? Could be a fun match if like every ten minutes a buzzer sounds and someone gets to wrestle for Cena. Otherwise, we'll be subjected to sixty minutes of Five Knuckle Shuffle ON THE STEEL RAMP BY GOD! or You Can't See Me on a ladder or something.

[AMYanks]

A healthy Angle could do it, HHH, Benoit and HBK can do it. Thats about it.

I think Benoit is the only one listed who could do it. Obviously a healthy Angle could do it, but since he's not healthy, I would say no. I don't think HHH could do it anymore, when him and The Rock did it, he was in much better shape. I also don't think HBK can go 60 minutes anymore. 10 years ago he was the best athlete wrestling had ever seen, he was the perfect candidate to go 60 minutes. I don't think he'd be able to anymore. Benoit is the only one who could probably last 60 minutes, and make it a real good match.

Of course, you could have all of these guys go with a totally mat-based attack for the first or last 20-25 minutes so they can make it all the way, but that could get kind of boring.

[Mattpat11]

I think Benoit is the only one listed who could do it. Obviously a healthy Angle could do it, but since he's not healthy, I would say no. I don't think HHH could do it anymore, when him and The Rock did it, he was in much better shape. I also don't think HBK can go 60 minutes anymore. 10 years ago he was the best athlete wrestling had ever seen, he was the perfect candidate to go 60 minutes. I don't think he'd be able to anymore. Benoit is the only one who could probably last 60 minutes, and make it a real good match.

Of course, you could have all of these guys go with a totally mat-based attack for the first or last 20-25 minutes so they can make it all the way, but that could get kind of boring.

Hunter and Benoit did it two years ago when Hunter was arguably worse physically. And Angle wasn't in great shape when he did it with brock.

[dabomb2045]

I think Benoit is the only one listed who could do it. Obviously a healthy Angle could do it, but since he's not healthy, I would say no. I don't think HHH could do it anymore, when him and The Rock did it, he was in much better shape. I also don't think HBK can go 60 minutes anymore. 10 years ago he was the best athlete wrestling had ever seen, he was the perfect candidate to go 60 minutes. I don't think he'd be able to anymore. Benoit is the only one who could probably last 60 minutes, and make it a real good match.

Of course, you could have all of these guys go with a totally mat-based attack for the first or last 20-25 minutes so they can make it all the way, but that could get kind of boring.

HHH is arguable...but I firmly believe HBK can do it. He is still one of the best workers they have...and its a shame they have wasted him in this whole Vince/God angle.

But just last year he put on a series of classics with Angle....all of them were close to 30 minutes, and HBK showed no signs of tiring....they could have probably went another 20-30 mins and still had them be the 5-star matches.

[AMYanks]

Hunter and Benoit did it two years ago when Hunter was arguably worse physically. And Angle wasn't in great shape when he did it with brock.

I thought HHH/Benoit was a poor match, but when he did it with Rock in 2000, I thought it was the best Iron Man Match. Ever since he returned from his quad injury, I don't think HHH is able to have a good-great 60 minute match. Angle wasn't in great shape, but in the past 2 1/2 years his neck has become much worse.

[AMYanks]

HHH is arguable...but I firmly believe HBK can do it. He is still one of the best workers they have...and its a shame they have wasted him in this whole Vince/God angle.

But just last year he put on a series of classics with Angle....all of them were close to 30 minutes, and HBK showed no signs of tiring....they could have probably went another 20-30 mins and still had them be the 5-star matches.

I would say HBK is arguable, I'm just not sure how great the entire match would be. Like you said, he still is one of the best workers in the company, so you never know.

[Mattpat11]

I would say HBK is arguable, I'm just not sure how great the entire match would be. Like you said, he still is one of the best workers in the company, so you never know.

He's not in great shape either.

[dabomb2045]

I thought HHH/Benoit was a poor match, but when he did it with Rock in 2000, I thought it was the best Iron Man Match. Ever since he returned from his quad injury, I don't think HHH is able to have a good-great 60 minute match. Angle wasn't in great shape, but in the past 2 1/2 years his neck has become much worse.

The HHH/Benoit match itself was good....Benoit did carry it. What ruined it though was the last 10 minutes. It was all interference from Evolution, and then Eugene interfering, beating down Evolution, nailing Trips with a chair, and pulling Benoit on top for the win.

You should never have an Iron Man Match, and not have it be the focus of discussion afterwards. They just used it to further the HHH/Eugene angle. This was also why Rock/HHH (even though I enjoyed it alot) is below Angle/Lesnar in my book.

[AMYanks]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.p...leid=149394532

We were tipped this afternoon by an unidentified source noting that HBK Shawn Michaels was being looked at as a possible victim of an assault in Cincinnati on Wednesday night or very early Thursday morning.

We were also contacted by a local news affiliate out of Cincinnati looking to verify the story.

This story should be taken as strictly RUMOR right now. We have NOT confirmed this by any means and had planned on holding off reporting it until we could get a better idea on if the story is legit or not.

Please stay tuned for more information.

[DontHateOnNumber2]

I think thats exactly what its leading to

Huh? The DX storyline is looking to be just HBK and HHH, and they'll take out those 5 losers? Yeah, they probably will.