Do we really need a trial? [Nixmary Brown - mod]

[smr15]

Is there any defense for what Rodriguez did to that little girl?
Is there really any defense for the mother?

Yes, I am being facetious. I realize that in the name of justice, a trial must happen, and I see that the mother has already retained a lawyer who is already saying that she had no idea of the abuse going on, yada yada yada.

However, the left side of my brain is just telling me that I'd like to subject the father and the mother to just ONE DAY of the pain they gave this little girl her whole lifetime.

This gives me a pain in my heart.
All the signals missed. Tragic.
And the knowledge that there are dozens more of these kids in the system that are in the same horror house right now, and chances are a few more of them will actually be killed rather than saved.

It's depressing.

[NYYBombshell]

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about?

[RhodeyYankee2638]

I don't have the AA number, but can look it up for you if you'd like

[JfromJersey]

I don't think signals were missed in this case. There was a caseworker from ACS who recognized the abuse, but who either couldn't or wouldn't treat the situation as a possibly life threatening emergency, and she wasn't the only culprit. The people essentially in charge of protecting this child's life, dragged their heels until it was too late. The system in every aspect needs to be overhauled.

[Evil Empire]

Is there any defense for what Rodriguez did to that little girl?
Is there really any defense for the mother?

Yes, I am being facetious. I realize that in the name of justice, a trial must happen, and I see that the mother has already retained a lawyer who is already saying that she had no idea of the abuse going on, yada yada yada.

However, the left side of my brain is just telling me that I'd like to subject the father and the mother to just ONE DAY of the pain they gave this little girl her whole lifetime.

This gives me a pain in my heart.
All the signals missed. Tragic.
And the knowledge that there are dozens more of these kids in the system that are in the same horror house right now, and chances are a few more of them will actually be killed rather than saved.

It's depressing.

I don't think signals were missed in this case. There was a caseworker from ACS who recognized the abuse, but who either couldn't or wouldn't treat the situation as a possibly life threatening emergency, and she wasn't the only culprit. The people essentially in charge of protecting this child's life, dragged their heels until it was too late. The system in every aspect needs to be overhauled.

Which case are you talking about?

[YankeeClemens22]

Which case are you talking about?

Nixmary Brown. The girl who died because she was beaten and not fed by her mother/stepfather. All over the news.

[Evil Empire]

Nixmary Brown. The girl who died because she was beaten and not fed by her mother/stepfather. All over the news.

Oh okay. I heard about it, just briefly though. Thanks.

[NYYBombshell]

Nixmary Brown. The girl who died because she was beaten and not fed by her mother/stepfather. All over the news.

Well, not all of us are from NY so we wouldn't have known that. Based on the thread title and the opening post, I didn't know what was being discussed.

[RhodeyYankee2638]

I thought it was about A-Rod

[Evil Empire]

Well, not all of us are from NY so we wouldn't have known that. Based on the thread title and the opening post, I didn't know what was being discussed.

What does being in New York have to do with this?

[NYYBombshell]

What does being in New York have to do with this?

Isn't this something that's going on in the NY area? I haven't heard anything about this in the news at all.

[Evil Empire]

Isn't this something that's going on in the NY area? I haven't heard anything about this in the news at all.

I don't really know, but I heard it on CNN (which IIRC is based in Georgia).

(Edit: She was from Brooklyn, upon research)

[YankeeClemens22]

Well, not all of us are from NY so we wouldn't have known that. Based on the thread title and the opening post, I didn't know what was being discussed.

Actually, it's national news. But nobody was judging you to begin with, so no need to get defensive.

[NYYBombshell]

Actually, it's national news. But nobody was judging you to begin with, so no need to get defensive.

Defensive?



That's a good one.

[NYYBombshell]

I don't really know, but I heard it on CNN (which IIRC is based in Georgia).

(Edit: She was from Brooklyn, upon research)

That's interesting because this is the first I've heard of it. I watch CNN enough, but I might have missed this story.

[yankeebot]

That's interesting because this is the first I've heard of it. I watch CNN enough, but I might have missed this story.

I know CNN is national but I believe they have broadcasts that only appear in select markets so everybody is not always seeing the same thing. If I am correct, that could explain why you did not catch this story.

[DiMaggio5CF]

Actually, it's national news. But nobody was judging you to begin with, so no need to get defensive.

I was.

[Redstone331]

Defensive?



That's a good one.

Sometimes when you have no idea WTF you are responding to, the case, or the facts it's best to keep your trap shut. You look even more ignorant than your post.
I understand the original poster's despair.
But the last time I checked, we (our country) is still based on laws.
The court will decide and that's a good thing.
Emotions aside, the LAW rules our country.
Still, a very sad situation.

[NYYBombshell]

Sometimes when you have no idea WTF you are responding to, the case, or the facts it's best to keep your trap shut. You look even more ignorant than your post.

What a lovely first post to make.

So I can't ask what the person is talking about when the thread title and the original post don't mention it? I can't have clarification?

[Redstone331]

What a lovely first post to make.

So I can't ask what the person is talking about when the thread title and the original post don't mention it? I can't have clarification?

Sometimes, just sometimes, posters are beyond clarification.

[NYYBombshell]

Sometimes, just sometimes, posters are beyond clarification.

Mmm-hmm.

Is that your way of saying I'm stupid, or what? Because I'd really like to know.

[StaceyRosie]

I was going to go to her wake tonight but I know I'd probably give her family members who sat around and did nothing dirty looks.

This story upsets me so much. I want to kill that mofo and the stupid bitch mother with my bare hands.

[Sheff_Rod]

What does being in New York have to do with this?

Well, it's been on the front page of every paper in NY for the last week or so.
Just one of 'em: http://www.nypost.com/seven/seven.htm

[Redstone331]

Mmm-hmm.

Is that your way of saying I'm stupid, or what? Because I'd really like to know.

Never would use the term stupid.
Misinformed, only because some love to spout while not informed.

[Mystic Merlyn]

Mmm-hmm.

Is that your way of saying I'm stupid, or what? Because I'd really like to know.

It's his way of advising against getting defensive over virtually nothing, which you DO tend to do at times.

[Evil Empire]

Well, it's been on the front page of every paper in NY for the last week or so.
Just one of 'em: http://www.nypost.com/seven/seven.htm

I'm such a stupidass.

[ring403]

Sometimes when you have no idea WTF you are responding to, the case, or the facts it's best to keep your trap shut. You look even more ignorant than your post.

Never would use the term stupid.
Misinformed, only because some love to spout while not informed.

That's two quick strikes. Might want to think about taking a pitch, Slugger.

[smr15]

You know what, John?

Why not just go ahead and close this damn thread.

God forbid I post something that isn't "clear".

Just close it.

[StaceyRosie]

You know what, John?

Why not just go ahead and close this damn thread.

God forbid I post something that isn't "clear".

Just close it.

I knew what you were talking about and only I should count.

[smr15]

lol..

You're right.

[NYYBombshell]

Okay, I went to the Daily News website and I read the story.


I'd like a few minutes in a locked room alone with those two animals and I'd teach them the concept of valuing life.

[penfold]

You know what, John?

Why not just go ahead and close this damn thread.

God forbid I post something that isn't "clear".

Just close it.

Um... you could just edit your first post and put a link to any article in it. That way everybody will be on the same page -- literally and figuratively.

[Snatch Catch]

You know what, John?

Why not just go ahead and close this damn thread.

God forbid I post something that isn't "clear".

Just close it.

I had no idea what was going on, and almost took my life in the confusion.

Think about that the next time smr15.

[YankeePride1967]

Okay, I went to the Daily News website and I read the story.


I'd like a few minutes in a locked room alone with those two animals and I'd teach them the concept of valuing life.

There are some people allegedly "working" at ACS that should also join that list.

[Evil Empire]

I had no idea what was going on, and almost took my life in the confusion.

Think about that the next time smr15.

[NYYBombshell]

There are some people allegedly "working" at ACS that should also join that list.

For the life of me, I can't understand how these programs devoted to helping children can allow this to happen. I really can't. I was reading the article in the Daily News and they mentioned another little girl who died in 1995 at the hands of her mother and when I read the things that little girl had to go through............

Some people just don't deserve the oxygen in their lungs.

[DiMaggio5CF]

I could suggest that the moderators are about to smite some people here, but then I'd get blasted about having mod-envy and it being my life-long goal to be a mod and (hang on, let me make sure I get this right) whining needlessly at the drop of a hat, especially since I'm making a general statement and not even talking to one person or another.

I guess lots of people just have sand in their vag or mangina lately. Must be the anticipation of Spring Training and/or the hatred of that bull................ but rapidly approaching period between the end of football and the beginning of baseball.

[YankeePride1967]

For the life of me, I can't understand how these programs devoted to helping children can allow this to happen. I really can't. I was reading the article in the Daily News and they mentioned another little girl who died in 1995 at the hands of her mother and when I read the things that little girl had to go through............

Some people just don't deserve the oxygen in their lungs.

I read that the child begged her grandmother to take her home before Christmas. Also she was visited by ACS on numerous occasions but nothing was done. This is the same department Mayor Bloomberg was recently bragging about what a great job they were doing. I'm sorry, this is a field where mistakes like this are allowable.

[smr15]

Um... you could just edit your first post and put a link to any article in it. That way everybody will be on the same page -- literally and figuratively.

um.... maybe I don't care if everybody's on the same page.

[Sheff_Rod]

For the life of me, I can't understand how these programs devoted to helping children can allow this to happen. I really can't. I was reading the article in the Daily News and they mentioned another little girl who died in 1995 at the hands of her mother and when I read the things that little girl had to go through............

Some people just don't deserve the oxygen in their lungs.

Something similar happened in the mid-80's also.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notoriou...einberg/1.html

[Jersey Yankee]

What does being in New York have to do with this?

Since she's in Georgia, how do you expect her to know what the NY papers are writing about?

[Jersey Yankee]

There are some people allegedly "working" at ACS that should also join that list.

From what I've heard, they may not be working there much longer, since they could be demoted or canned.

I'd really have to see what rules were in place, since it could be the confusion caused by too many cases that might've been at fault. Still, the workers have to be held responsible.

When I heard that the girl suffered a fatal blow because she "dared" to take her stepfather's yogurt from the fridge, I couldn't go on.

Some people weren't made to have kids.

[smr15]

Oh for crying out loud.

With all the members we have here, does every member have to be a part of every thread?
While this story did receive some national coverage, it is more a local issue.
Perhaps this story is more one for people from this area to discuss.
If other people want to read the thread, and that prompts them to find out about the story, and then join the discussion, that's great.

But if not... so what.

You know what?

I'm officially asking a mod again to close this thread.
Enough already.

I f'ing give up.

[NYYBombshell]

Something similar happened in the mid-80's also.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notoriou...einberg/1.html

I remember Lisa Steinberg. Law and Order did an episode quite similar to that case at the time.

[Stupid Flanders]

It's his way of advising against getting defensive over virtually nothing, which you DO tend to do at times.

NO STOP MAKING THINGS UP PLEASE

[YankeePride1967]

Oh for crying out loud.

With all the members we have here, does every member have to be a part of every thread?
While this story did receive some national coverage, it is more a local issue.
Perhaps this story is more one for people from this area to discuss.
If other people want to read the thread, and that prompts them to find out about the story, and then join the discussion, that's great.

But if not... so what.

You know what?

I'm officially asking a mod again to close this thread.
Enough already.

I f'ing give up.

Better idea. Since in between this worrying about this stuff, people are actually discussing the issue in depth, why not just have a mod just update the title if there is a need to do anything at all? This is a very interesting topic and one worth discussing.

[NYYBombshell]

Oh for crying out loud.

With all the members we have here, does every member have to be a part of every thread?
While this story did receive some national coverage, it is more a local issue.
Perhaps this story is more one for people from this area to discuss.
If other people want to read the thread, and that prompts them to find out about the story, and then join the discussion, that's great.

But if not... so what.

You know what?

I'm officially asking a mod again to close this thread.
Enough already.

I f'ing give up.

Why should a mod close this thread?

[DiMaggio5CF]

Oh for crying out loud.

With all the members we have here, does every member have to be a part of every thread?
While this story did receive some national coverage, it is more a local issue.
Perhaps this story is more one for people from this area to discuss.
If other people want to read the thread, and that prompts them to find out about the story, and then join the discussion, that's great.

Well if you had been a little more clear in your title/post . . .

[Evil Empire]

Since she's in Georgia, how do you expect her to know what the NY papers are writing about?

I never expected anything of anyone....

[yankeebot]

I'm going to bypass all the bickering going on here and answer the question in the thread title. Do we need a trial? Absolutely. But we need a prosecuting attorney that can get it right. I know you were probably suggesting some vigilante justice but we know that is not realistic. The last thing I want to see is this murderer get a plea bargain.