Players offered/not offered arbitration

[Yankees1962]

Mendoza? What the f u c k? Is Cashman sitting behind his desk smoking a big fat bong with Joe Torre and recalling the old days? Al "Belly Full of Guts" Leiter, Bernie Williams, and Ramiro Mendoza. Wow. I am shocked.

Unless, you have inside information about the wink-wink agreements Cashman might have with their agents, I wouldn't overreact.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Because you have to put your 'closer' in in a save situation no matter who the batter is. Looper kills righthanders. Lefthanders kill Looper. All you have to do is use him right.

Oh, and for closers, there's really no big difference between the AL and the NL. It's not like NL closers actually face the oppossing picture.

Looper would be a great pickup, especially if you can get him cheap, like 2 years/6 mil...

[Vin]

Because you have to put your 'closer' in in a save situation no matter who the batter is. Looper kills righthanders. Lefthanders kill Looper. All you have to do is use him right.

As much as I don't hate Torre. I'm not too sure the term "use him right" is in his dictionary. So by this, do you think Willie didn't use Looper right when he blew saves?

What's his numbers against left/right handed batters?

[Bernie Inferno]

Good bye Ruben Sierra and Kevin Brown.

Sierra Mist, are you still alive?

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

As much as I don't hate Torre. I'm not too sure the term "use him right" is in his dictionary. So by this, do you think Willie didn't use Looper right when he blew saves?

What's his numbers against left/right handed batters?

Look it up, why is everyone so lazy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...ching3&three=1

3 year splits:
Righties: .231
Lefties: .307

[38Special]

oh man

[dabomb2045]

can someone give me one good reason why Bernie will be back on this team next year??

He is Done. Toast. Overcooked. Finished.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

can someone give me one good reason why Bernie will be back on this team next year??

He is Done. Toast. Overcooked. Finished.

He isn't worth the pick, no team is going to give it up for him. This is HORRIBLE!

[dabomb2045]

He isn't worth the pick, no team is going to give it up for him. This is HORRIBLE!

and you just know that Torre will play him alot next season....especially if we fail to find another CF...I can see it.

Wow...next year is just not looking like alot of fun at this point.

[38Special]

omgzzzzzzzzzz panic

time for a rest from this board

[dabomb2045]

omgzzzzzzzzzz panic

time for a rest from this board

come on 38, I know you know your stuff. How can anyone justify bringing an old and decrepit Bernie back here again??

and I'm tellin ya, Torre will play him alot more next year then he should since Bernie is one of his "boys"

[NewEraYanks2527]

I think Bernie will decline arbitration and perhaps retire. Don't hurt your career average anymore Bernie. The Mick always regretted that.

[38Special]

come on 38, I know you know your stuff. How can anyone justify bringing an old and decrepit Bernie back here again??

and I'm tellin ya, Torre will play him alot more next year then he should since Bernie is one of his "boys"

Who the ................ was he supposed to play? Matt Lawton? Bubba showed zero ability to hit the ball past the pitcher until they gave up and let him have the job. Dont give me that bull................ about his boys. Did he have Ruben Sierra playing every game?

If you want to blame anyone then blame Cashman for doing a piss poor job of putting together the team combined with the ................ty decisionmaking of Tampa/New York and the scouting directors. Our garbage farm system has done nothing for us in the last 10 years. Thankfully its improving now but that cant change the old decrepid players who we had signed already

[dabomb2045]

Who the ................ was he supposed to play? Matt Lawton? Bubba showed zero ability to hit the ball past the pitcher until they gave up and let him have the job. Dont give me that bull................ about his boys. Did he have Ruben Sierra playing every game?

If you want to blame anyone then blame Cashman for doing a piss poor job of putting together the team combined with the ................ty decisionmaking of Tampa/New York and the scouting directors. Our garbage farm system has done nothing for us in the last 10 years. Thankfully its improving now but that cant change the old decrepid players who we had signed already

But why bring Bernie back in 2006?? I figured it was quite obvious last season that he is finished. He is a liability in every aspect of the game...whether its with his glove or his bat.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Who the ................ was he supposed to play? Matt Lawton? Bubba showed zero ability to hit the ball past the pitcher until they gave up and let him have the job. Dont give me that bull................ about his boys. Did he have Ruben Sierra playing every game?

He should of at least had Matsui play CF. And Yes, Bubba would of been better overall because of the defense he could of given...

[38Special]

He should of at least had Matsui play CF. And Yes, Bubba would of been better overall because of the defense he could of given...

And then Mary Poppins could have played LF


OR BETTER YET

move JETER TO CENTER FIELD DUN DUN DUN, MVP-ROD to SS, and sign Peter Pan to man the hot corner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111

[Vin]

Our garbage farm system has done nothing for us in the last 10 years. Thankfully its improving now but that cant change the old decrepid players who we had signed already

The farm system has done nothing for us in last 10 years? which would be 1995-ish.
Didn't Mo came from the farm, I'm sure there's a lot more players...some guy named Derek, oh what the hell we haven't won a World Series in the last 5 years - which in Yankee years equals to about 20/30 years. Who cares about those homegrown players...

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

And then Mary Poppins could have played LF

No Bernie should of moved over but Torre of course would never ask him to do so. He even practiced playing left during the year but for some reason he was never out there...

[38Special]

No Bernie should of moved over but Torre of course would never ask him to do so. He even practiced playing left during the year but for some reason he was never out there...

Bernie had reservations about it and never felt comfortable out there, at least thats what i read. That wouldnt have improved the defense anyway. His weak inaccurate arm would have been even more damaging in left.


wah wah wah Torre

The farm system has done nothing for us in last 10 years? which would be 1995-ish.
Didn't Mo came from the farm, I'm sure there's a lot more players...some guy named Derek, oh what the hell we haven't won a World Series in the last 5 years - which in Yankee years equals to about 20/30 years. Who cares about those homegrown players...

How many players on the roster are from the farm system since 96? Posada? Cano? Wang?

We've produce some decent players but traded them away. Believe me, you wont find a bigger supporter of our farm system now, but the drafts since the 90s have been beyond horrendous leading into 2003

[dabomb2045]

arguing about what should have been done last season is irrelevant IMHO. I dont see one good reason why Bernie should have been offered arb.

Nobody in their right mind is gonna sign this guy and give up a draft pick. He will be here next year....and will play alot more then he should.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Bernie had reservations about it and never felt comfortable out there, at least thats what i read. That wouldnt have improved the defense anyway. His weak inaccurate arm would have been even more damaging in left.


wah wah wah Torre

I never read anything about that, I know he was willing to do it. Of course I'm sure he'd rather stay in a position that he played his whole career but it was up to Torre to move him and say "You know what you can't play CF, move over, or sit down." It would of saved us a bunch of runs if Matsui was the CFer, Matsui's arm is horrible as well, it wouldn't of been that great of a difference in left...

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

wah wah wah Torre

Yes Torre is infallible...

[ryanthe13th]

I can't believe that Bernie playing CF is actually a prospect. How did this happen?

[dabomb2045]

I can't believe that Bernie playing CF is actually a prospect. How did this happen?

my thoughts exactly...it just makes no sense to me at all

[38Special]

no one said he was playing center field

Yes Torre is infallible...

IGNORE LISTS R AWESOME

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

no one said he was playing center field

Then whats his point of being on the team? Pinch runner? He is no longer near the hitter he once was to be a DH, in addition I'd much rather give Phillips a shot at 1st/DH. He's free and good...

[dabomb2045]

no one said he was playing center field



IGNORE LISTS R AWESOME

I think it would make sense if Bernie will still a good hitter who just couldnt play the field anymore. But he has been a below average hitter the last 2 years now, and last year he really dropped off.

I dont see his bat helping this team

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

IGNORE LISTS R AWESOME

Is that always what you do when you lose an argument?

[ring403]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...6?OpenDocument

Still waiting to address vacancies in the bullpen and outfield corners, the Cardinals said goodbye to second baseman Mark Grudzielanek, left fielder Reggie Sanders and righthanded reliever Julian Tavarez when they elected not to offer arbitration to the free agents by the deadline Wednesday night.

[Enoch]

Tavarez can pitch, but he might go Kevin Brown on a team.....still....a good arm out of the pen (RHP).

[enterthesandman]

Wait.. how does arb work for the regular player whos been in the MLB for 6+ years if he ACCEPTS arbitration. If Bernie accepted arb how would that work out.

It would work out as one of the worst moves of the off-season (maybe worse than Loretta for Mirabelli) since we'd be paying at the VERY MINIMUM, $9,885,714.40 to a guy who can't hit or run or field.

[dabomb2045]

Tavarez can pitch, but he might go Kevin Brown on a team.....still....a good arm out of the pen (RHP).

a risk I'm willing to take

[NYDCYankee]

Come on Cash break out the Ca$h for Tavarez

[Yankees13]

I think it would make sense if Bernie will still a good hitter who just couldnt play the field anymore. But he has been a below average hitter the last 2 years now, and last year he really dropped off.

I dont see his bat helping this team

He hit 821 OPS as a DH last year, if he DHs this year and matches that it will be worth it.

[Yankees13]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...6?OpenDocument

Good, no picks to lose for Taverez.

[dabomb2045]

He hit 821 OPS as a DH last year, if he DHs this year and matches that it will be worth it.

it also worries me that Torre will be itching to put him back in CF...especially if we fail to acquire another CF

then it will just be a replay of last season

[StatenIslandYankee]

Why are we not making a move on Dotel and Tavarez?

[dabomb2045]

Why are we not making a move on Dotel and Tavarez?

Thats what I want to know...they are just sitting out there waiting to be picked up. Cashman should be working the phones

[Yankees13]

it also worries me that Torre will be itching to put him back in CF...especially if we fail to acquire another CF

then it will just be a replay of last season

If Bernie starts more than 30 games in the field, I will agree with you it was a dumb move. I just don't see it. Give Torre and Cashman some credit, they're not morons.

[enterthesandman]

Why are we not making a move on Dotel and Tavarez?

Because they're not 40+ and we won't lose $10m/year and first roun draft picks in the process. That's not the Yankee way.

[Yankees13]

Why are we not making a move on Dotel and Tavarez?

Maybe Tavarez will be picked up now that the Cards didn't offer arbitration.

[StatenIslandYankee]

Maybe Tavarez will be picked up now that the Cards didn't offer arbitration.

I want Dotel as well.

[Yankees13]

Because they're not 40+ and we won't lose $10m/year and first roun draft picks in the process. That's not the Yankee way.

Those jokes have gotten pretty old.

[dabomb2045]

If Bernie starts more than 30 games in the field, I will agree with you it was a dumb move. I just don't see it. Give Torre and Cashman some credit, they're not morons.

assume for a second that we dont trade/sign another CF...and go into the year with Bubba and Bernie as our CF's. In the same exact situation last year, Bernie played more then half of his games in CF. Why would Torre treat the situation any different then last year?

[Yankees13]

I want Dotel as well.

Who's gonna be kicked out of the pen when he's ready to pitch?

[Yankees13]

assume for a second that we dont trade/sign another CF...and go into the year with Bubba and Bernie as our CF's. In the same exact situation last year, Bernie played more then half of his games in CF. Why would Torre treat the situation any different then last year?

Towards the end of last year Crosby was the everyday CF. Torre will go into the season knowing that Crosby is the starting CF. And I believe someone other than Crosby will be here to play CF.

[dabomb2045]

Who's gonna be kicked out of the pen when he's ready to pitch?

someone crappy...like Proctor

[enterthesandman]

Those jokes have gotten pretty old.

I only wish it was a joke

[Yankees13]

someone crappy...like Proctor

I don't think Proctor is going to be in the pen on Opening Day. As of now we have Rivera, Farnsworth, Small, Sturtze, and Wright in the bullpen, and it seems very likely we'll sign Myers and maybe another arm for the 7th. Where does Proctor fit in?

[dabomb2045]

I don't think Proctor is going to be in the pen on Opening Day. As of now we have Rivera, Farnsworth, Small, Sturtze, and Wright in the bullpen, and it seems very likely we'll sign Myers and maybe another arm for the 7th. Where does Proctor fit in?

well in that case...I'd sign Dotel and find a way to make Wright dissapear. I also have serious doubts about whether Small can even come close to what he did last year...or will he regress to his career norm. If he regresses, thats a huge problem.