Pavano for Detroit prospects?

[Choate]

Just posted on the Replacement Level Yankee weblog:
One interesting rumor that I heard about was that the Detroit Tigers offered Curtis Granderson and Joel Zumaya to the Arizona Diamondbacks for our old friend, Javier Vazquez. Granderson's a young CF with good power/speed potential, and Zumaya is a minor league pitcher who has already reached AAA at age 20 and accredited himself fairly well there in 8 starts, putting up 56 Ks in 44 innings with a 2.66 ERA. Vazquez used his no-trade clause to turn this trade down, which opens up an interesting possiblity for the Yankees. Carl Pavano for the same package?
http://yankeefan.blogspot.com/

to me this sounds like a great deal. Zumaya sounds like a young Sandy Koufax. 98 Fastball and a hook, with double digit K/9 and 6 hits/9 in AA/AAA this year, and he's 20

[xwreckingxcrewx]

That deal would be tremendous. Tremendous.

[JeterRodriguezSheff]

If that can be pulled off I would be so happy but it wont happen

[Yankeeah]

Don't get my hopes up.

Is this a rumor, speculation, or are there talks.

[Blokee]

If only...

[Choate]

vasquez and pavano aren't that different, the tigers might consider it. heck, that deal would be good f the yankees paid all of pavano's contract

[JeterRodriguezSheff]

vasquez and pavano aren't that different, the tigers might consider it. heck, that deal would be good f the yankees paid all of pavano's contract

they are very different actually, but teams dont see them as different for some reason

[Choate]

Don't get my hopes up.

Is this a rumor, speculation, or are there talks.

Only the speculation that Vasquez and Pavano are very similar ERA+ wise and salary wise.

[SINCE77 2]

Just posted on the Replacement Level Yankee weblog:
One interesting rumor that I heard about was that the Detroit Tigers offered Curtis Granderson and Joel Zumaya to the Arizona Diamondbacks for our old friend, Javier Vazquez. Granderson's a young CF with good power/speed potential, and Zumaya is a minor league pitcher who has already reached AAA at age 20 and accredited himself fairly well there in 8 starts, putting up 56 Ks in 44 innings with a 2.66 ERA. Vazquez used his no-trade clause to turn this trade down, which opens up an interesting possiblity for the Yankees. Carl Pavano for the same package?
http://yankeefan.blogspot.com/

to me this sounds like a great deal. Zumaya sounds like a young Sandy Koufax. 98 Fastball and a hook, with double digit K/9 and 6 hits/9 in AA/AAA this year, and he's 20

Why are they so willing to give up Granderson? Yankees were offered Logan and/or Monroe for Pavano and Curtis was supposed to be their starting CF in 2006. Guess Dombroski is desperate to put fans in the seats for 2006. If I'm the Yankees GM, I ask for Granderson and Logan. I trade Logan to the Nationals for Wilkerson and keep Granderson . Nationals get themselves the GG caliber type CF in Logan that they have been looking for and we get the #2 hitter that we want along with a solid young hitter in Granderson. Two birds with one stone Cashman. Make it happen.

[NYDCYankee]

I feel like Detroit is desperate to make a splash. And with what Burnett just went for Pavano seems resonalbe a 3/30. I think this could happen.

[Yankeeah]

Only the speculation that Vasquez and Pavano are very similar ERA+ wise and salary wise.

Well speculation is just a wate of my hopes then,

[38Special]

Why are they so willing to give up Granderson? Yankees were offered Logan and/or Monroe for Pavano and Curtis was supposed to be their starting CF in 2006. Guess Dombroski is desperate to put fans in the seats for 2006. If I'm the Yankees GM, I ask for Granderson and Logan. I trade Logan to the Nationals for Wilkerson and keep Granderson . Nationals get themselves the GG caliber type CF in Logan that they have been looking for and we get the #2 hitter that we want along with a solid young hitter in Granderson. Two birds with one stone Cashman. Make it happen.

Because they're stupid. Logan and Monroe are average (Logan more BELOW AVERAGE) players and Granderson has potential to be a above average outfielder

[NewEraYanks2527]

The Yankees trading FOR prospects? Never happen.

[NYDCYankee]

The Yankees trading FOR prospects? Never happen.

Come on...this is a New Era in the Yankee FO.

[destro]

why are you all so quick to give up on pavano

[Yankeeah]

Well, maybe the D-Backs accepted the deal, but Vazquez said no, doesn't he have some sort of NTC?

[Snatch Catch]

The Yankees trading FOR prospects? Never happen.

I really think Cash has managed to create quite a marketplace. I would be ecstatic if this deal went down, and would not at all be surprised given the pattern I have seen developing this offseason.

[Yankeeah]

why are you all so quick to give up on pavano

I'd rather keep Pavano, trading him could sending a bad message to other teams, but we are getting a very nice package in return.

[Snatch Catch]

Why the hell wouldnt Diamondbacks GM Josh Byrnes accept this deal? Probably because its not true. Theres no way they would offer Granderson and Zumaya for him.

Javy enacted his NTC.

[JeterRodriguezSheff]

why are you all so quick to give up on pavano

he has had a horrible career with the exception of 2004, has very low k rates, his perepihereals were the same in his good year as they they were in his horrible career which means that 2004 was likely a fluke.

[rightfielder21]

Why the hell wouldnt Diamondbacks GM Josh Byrnes accept this deal? Probably because its not true. Theres no way they would offer Granderson and Zumaya for him.

He did accept it... Vazquez used his NTC...

[JeterRodriguezSheff]

Why the hell wouldnt Diamondbacks GM Josh Byrnes accept this deal? Probably because its not true. Theres no way they would offer Granderson and Zumaya for him.

vasquez used his NTC to turn it down

[rightfielder21]

I'd rather keep Pavano, trading him could sending a bad message to other teams, but we are getting a very nice package in return.

What would that bad message be to other teams? The Yankees are making the right moves?

[Yankeeah]

What would that bad message be to other teams? The Yankees are making the right moves?

My bad, I meant free agents, like "If I sign there, have a bad season, they'll trade me the next offseason."

[YankClipper5]

Why the hell wouldnt Diamondbacks GM Josh Byrnes accept this deal? Probably because its not true. Theres no way they would offer Granderson and Zumaya for him.

as quoted in the initial post:

Vazquez used his no-trade clause to turn this trade down

It is an interesting possibility. Anyone know how close to contributing Granderson is? a 2006 solution, or is he still a year away? Anyways, I have heard good things about Zumaya, maybe we can take advantage of the ransom teams are asking in the trade market. I wouldn't mind adding to the farm system, as strange as it seems for the Yanks to do. I don't think this deal would ever happen but I am not opposed to it.

[WrightIsWrong]

Earlier in the day,Peter Gammons reported that Vazquez invoked his no trade clause & killed this deal.I read somewhere that the two starters Detroit was most interested in via trade were Vazquez & Pavano.I've heard good things about the Detroit prospects(I personally do not know much,if anything about them) & Gammons believed that Detroit was giving up a lot for Vazquez.No reason the Yanks can not get the same deal.

[JeterRodriguezSheff]

Earlier in the day,Peter Gammons reported that Vazquez invoked his no trade clause & killed this deal.I read somewhere that the two starters Detroit was most interested in via trade were Vazquez & Pavano.I've heard good things about the Detroit prospects(I personally do not know much,if anything about them) & Gammons believed that Detroit was giving up a lot for Vazquez.No reason the Yanks can not get the same deal.

this better fricking happen now

[swityak11]

Sold!

I'd take that deal before Dombrowski could change his mind.

[Snatch Catch]

You do realize that this is a rumored deal involving Vazquez, not pavano?

Yes, but by turning down all deals for Pavano, waiting until other starters signed, and not making any rash moves for overrated and overpriced players, Cash has seen the value of a potential trading chip in Pavano go up.

[MassNYYfan]

Just do it.

[SINCE77 2]

Yes, but by turning down all deals for Pavano, waiting until other starters signed, and not making any rash moves for overrated and overpriced players, Cash has seen the value of a potential trading chip in Pavano go up.

Exactly. I knew that Detroit would be desperate when no FA of worth would give them the time of day. You can do this Cahman.

[38Special]

Keep in mind that Granderson isnt a prospect. He was in the majors to end the year, and was slated to start in center for them in 06. Zumaya is a 20 year old who was already in AAA and has a high 90s fastball and plus slider. His problem is the inability to learn a changeup which leads scouts to believe that he will likely be a closer instead...

[Snatch Catch]

Exactly. I knew that Detroit would be desperate when no FA of worth would give them the time of day. You can do this Cahman.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/06/sp...=1133847561-tw

From yesterday:

"I don't think we have as much need as maybe everybody else does," Cashman said. "And you learn, over time, if you don't get it in the winter, you still have time to get it as you go along. It's a terrible free-agent market, and just because other teams are doing it doesn't mean we should be active just to be active."

[JeterRodriguezSheff]

Keep in mind that Granderson isnt a prospect. He was in the majors to end the year, and was slated to start in center for them in 06. Zumaya is a 20 year old who was already in AAA and has a high 90s fastball and plus slider. His problem is the inability to learn a changeup which leads scouts to believe that he will likely be a closer instead...

excellent, excellent indeed this would fill two holes and pretty much end our offseason unless we find a way to unload posada.

[Crosby18]

I might be the only one. But, I would not be so happy if this trade happenes. I think that if Pavano would have been healthy all season, we would be talking about him being the #1 starter and not trading him.

[Snatch Catch]

Keep in mind that Granderson isnt a prospect. He was in the majors to end the year, and was slated to start in center for them in 06. Zumaya is a 20 year old who was already in AAA and has a high 90s fastball and plus slider. His problem is the inability to learn a changeup which leads scouts to believe that he will likely be a closer instead...

You be all in this deal like a bone in a....

[Davios]

In all honesty, I would trade Pavano for Granderson even without Zumaya involved. If Zumaya were included, it would be ridiculously successful arrangement for the Yanks.

[New Murderer's Row]

zumaya went to my high school in san diego. i would love to see the yankees trade for him, but because this is pure speculation it probably won't happen.

[38Special]

I might be the only one. But, I would not be so happy if this trade happenes. I think that if Pavano would have been healthy all season, we would be talking about him being the #1 starter and not trading him.

Pavano never has been a #1 starter despite how much money we gave him. Even on the Marlins he was the 4th talented pitcher on the staff (behind Beckett Willis and Burnett). He's got a nice sinker, but he doesnt K many guys. At best he'll be a high 3 ERA guy. More likely low 4

[Yankeeah]

I might be the only one. But, I would not be so happy if this trade happenes. I think that if Pavano would have been healthy all season, we would be talking about him being the #1 starter and not trading him.

Be honest, is it because you're a Crosby fan? This deal could solve our CF need and bullpen help. I'ts pretty much a no brainer

[JeterRodriguezSheff]

I might be the only one. But, I would not be so happy if this trade happenes. I think that if Pavano would have been healthy all season, we would be talking about him being the #1 starter and not trading him.

Why would you think that? The fact that he has had a below mediocre career, low k rates and one fluke good year in a pitchers dream seems to tell a different story imo.

[YankeePride1967]

does anyone else see the irony of demanding a trade and then turning down a trade?

[Crosby18]

OOps i dint see the CF part of the trade I just saw the pitcher. In that case, Great trade and do it Cashman.

[SoCal Pinstriper]

Keep in mind that Granderson isnt a prospect. He was in the majors to end the year, and was slated to start in center for them in 06. Zumaya is a 20 year old who was already in AAA and has a high 90s fastball and plus slider. His problem is the inability to learn a changeup which leads scouts to believe that he will likely be a closer instead...

Got to see Granderson play a little, and I liked what I saw. Zumaya would be a nice bonus. I might do this straight up for granderson if Detroit paid 100% of his contract. (I don't think that Pavano will ever be much more than a #4-#5 for us.)

[JeterRodriguezSheff]

zumaya went to my high school in san diego. i would love to see the yankees trade for him, but because this is pure speculation it probably won't happen.

it just might, detroit said they liked Vasquez AND Pavano a lot. Free Agent pitchers are signing elsewhere at amazingly high prices. The Tigers are desperate and have a surplus of OFs. The Yankees have Pavano, and need a CF and some bullpen help and Cashman has the leverage. Detroit is even more desperate now that Vasquez turned down this deal. Im not saying its a sure thing but its possible and it would certainly make sence, unlike almost every other proposed trade rumour this offseason.

[YankeeFan1]

If anyone should be traded for these prospects, it should be Wright not Pavano.

[Yankeeah]

If anyone should be traded for these prospects, it should be Wright not Pavano.

They (nor does anyone else) want Wright, for a good reason too.

[JeterRodriguezSheff]

If anyone should be traded for these prospects, it should be Wright not Pavano.

They are both horrible but Pavano has more perceived value by teams for some reason(and a bigger contract) Detroit wouldnt accept wright and they like Pavano. Also we can get out of Wrights deal after next season.

[ICEBERG18]

I posted this in the other Pavano thread.

Gammons insider:"Detroit breakdown

Dec 6 - Javier Vazquez exercised his right to decline a trade to Detroit, thus killing what the Diamondbacks thought would be a blockbuster for center fielder Curtis Granderson and right-hander Joel Zumaya, ESPN's Peter Gammons reports. Arizona GM Josh Byrnes says eight to 10 teams continued to have serious interest in Vazquez, The Arizona Republic reports. Any team interested in Vazquez would have to pick up the remainder of his salary, about $12M for each of the next two seasons."


I wonder if the Tigers would offer that to the Yankees for Pavano.

If Cashman was offered that trade for Pavano and i found it he turned it down, Just put me in jail now..

[YankeePride1967]

If anyone should be traded for these prospects, it should be Wright not Pavano.

We have about as much chance of getting Albert Pujols for Wright as getting those prospects for Wright. None.