Wow Yanks trying for Willis

[38Special]

George King is being George King. The same person who said Pierre was offered for Proctor and Sean Henn. In reality, the Marlins will be receiving some very good prospects from the Cubs.

Which more likely is due to the stupidity of the Cubs front office.

[ppa79]

EVERY single team in baseball would be after them and there are much better farm systems out there with higher ceiling prospects. For example, just imagine what the Anaheim Angels would offer for Willis. Brandon Wood, Ervin Santanna, Kenny Morales and Casey Kotcham just to mention a few.

I hope that the Angels are distracted by Manny for just enough time for the Yankees to secretly swoop in and make this deal become a reality.

[PerfectCone]

Numerous South Florida papers now have quotes denying that Cabrera and Willis are available. Even if they were, the Yankees wouldn't be able to obtain them.

Precisely what I said yesterday, just a silly hot stove rumor. Why would you trade the last two attractions on your team? You've got to keep your couple of thousand attendees interested in the team. I would be so happy to see the Marlins move to San Antonio. Baseball in South Florida has obviously been a failure. Where else could you win TWO championships in a decade, your first decade and have absolutely no fan base? It's a joke.

[RobbiMan]

George King is being George King. The same person who said Pierre was offered for Proctor and Sean Henn. In reality, the Marlins will be receiving some very good prospects from the Cubs.

Numerous South Florida papers now have quotes denying that Cabrera and Willis are available. Even if they were, the Yankees wouldn't be able to obtain them. EVERY single team in baseball would be after them and there are much better farm systems out there with higher ceiling prospects. For example, just imagine what the Anaheim Angels would offer for Willis. Brandon Wood, Ervin Santanna, Kenny Morales and Casey Kotchman just to mention a few.

Thank GOD NDBoston showed up in this thread. He lends credibility to those of us who were fighting the good fight yesterday trying to tell people that this trade will not happen in any form. Lock this one up.

[ANSKYcm]

Pavano + $, Wang, Hughes, Duncan, Womack + $, Proctor, Henn, Melky Cabrera for Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera.

They would be getting cheap pitching with Wang, and even Pavano if we pay a lot of his salary, with Hughes and Henn on the way. Duncan would eventually take over at 3rd for them and Melky as a potential future OF. Womack would fill in for 2B since they just traded Castillo. Proctor can be an effective bat boy, and they have already inquired about him in the Pierre negotiations. We would be getting two franchise players in there early twenties. Cabrera would play Left with Matsui shifting to center, and Willis would be our new Ace for the next 10-15 years years. We would even keep Cano. Although we're trading a lot of prospects, once Cabrera is signed we won't need a OF prospect for a few years (just sign a RF once Sheff is gone), and with Willis we won't have a pressing need for Hughes. Willis also fills Wang's position in the rotation. And i seriously doubt anyone would care about losing Proctor and Womack.

I know its giving up everything we have in the farm, but its not often you can come across players of this calaber. None of our minor league players have potential to be as good as either of these guys. Wang is a 4th starter at best, Henn is a 3rd or 4th at best and i doubt even that will ever happen, Duncan can be good but not Cabrera good, and Hughes is the only one we're really taking a gamble with, but the BEST we can hope for out of him is that he ends up like Willis...and we can't know that for sure. Plus, even if he did, I'd rather want the lefty. Please no comments like "looks like another fan from the 90's who wants to sell the farm" because I've always been against trading so many prospects, but never before (with the eception of A-Rod) have we aquired franchise players, especially that are in their early 20's.

[38Special]

You wrote melky twice, although it doesnt matter cause that wont happen

[flymick24]

Pavano + $, Wang, Hughes, Duncan, Womack + $, Proctor, Henn, Miguel Cabrera for Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera.

you forgot to add in cano, jb cox, cj henry, and austin jackson

[RobbiMan]

you forgot to add in cano, jb cox, cj henry, and austin jackson

and some prospects from the Angels' farm system. I don't know how the Yankees will acquire them, just saying they would have to be included in order for the Marlins to consider taking only prospects from the Yankees for this deal that's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

[ANSKYcm]

you forgot to add in cano, jb cox, cj henry, and austin jackson

I knew these were the only intelligent comments I'd get back.

[ICEBERG18]

If this ever happened, I think we would be the kings of the offseason.



http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/58494.htm

George King should be banned from writing for a week for actually believing that rumor...

STAYING PUT

Among the Marlins who won't be traded is Dontrelle Willis. Contrary to a published report out of New York, the Marlins have no intention of moving the National League's Cy Young Award runner-up.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/s...a-sports-front

[Dooley Womack]

George King should be banned from writing for a week for actually believing that rumor...

STAYING PUT

Among the Marlins who won't be traded is Dontrelle Willis. Contrary to a published report out of New York, the Marlins have no intention of moving the National League's Cy Young Award runner-up.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/s...a-sports-front

Well, it's nice to hear at least SOMETHING about the Yankee camp, even if it's a figment of King's imagination

[George Steinbrenner]

It would cost the Yankees Cano, Wang, Duncan and probably Hughes to get Willis. That would essentially put the Yankees back to having a fairly bad farm system. No thanks.

yep, those poor poor fans in Columbus and Trenton will have to wait yet another year to win a championship.

Cano, Wang, Duncan, and cash for Dtrain(who more than replaces Wang). Its essentially Cano and Duncan for Dtrain and hes a young (cy young) rising star. Lets move move move!

[gdn]

Yeah, umm, they've already denied they're going to move Willis and Cabrera, so all these trade proposals can stop.

[Kulish29]

yep, those poor poor fans in Columbus and Trenton will have to wait yet another year to win a championship.

Cano, Wang, Duncan, and cash for Dtrain(who more than replaces Wang). Its essentially Cano and Duncan for Dtrain and hes a young (cy young) rising star. Lets move move move!

What you dont seem to understand is, 1.) There are a bunch of other teams who could put together a better package for Willis 2.) It would cost more than those 3 to get Willis and 3.) The Yankees are trying to save money and build the farm system to develop their own players like Willis so they can stay competitive and not end up like the 80's teams.

[nyctalopia]

like i said from the beginning, there is no way the Marlins will trade Cabrera or Willis, so let's just stop this discussion.

[blazennyfan]

there is a way to get cabrera by trading cano(if cairo signs), prospect matt desalvo, duncan, cabrera(melky)

[RIyankee]

I'd trade Wang and Cano in a heartbeat for Willis.

So would I, if only it were that easy. Cano and Wang won't be enough for him, IMO.

[surge511]

There is absolutely no way that Willis or Cabrera are traded, much less to the Yankees. I don't know how many times this rumor has to be squashed. This thread should probably be closed, because there is no longer a basis behind the rumor.

[Yankeeah]

This thread makes absolutly no sense.
Anywhere, is there a quote from someone from the Marlins saying these two are available? I've yet to see one.
With the huge firesale the Marlins just had, they probably got some good prospects (I don't recall any names besides Hanley) and they will be ready in a few years, when Cabrera and Willis are still under 20. If they trade those two it would be counterproductive for the future. Willis can dominate the NL for another 7, 8 years. Cabrera probably hasn't even peaked yet. Considering all the kids they just stocked up on, their going to have good team in a few years, with Willis and Cabrera as the anchor.

[NDBoston]

and some prospects from the Angels' farm system. I don't know how the Yankees will acquire them, just saying they would have to be included in order for the Marlins to consider taking only prospects from the Yankees for this deal that's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Instead of trying to be sarcastic, why not come back with some comments to refute what I wrote.

Perhaps you could bring up the value of Hughes and Duncan versus what the Angels have or Santana versus Wang.

Prove me wrong.

[yanksphan]

Does it make sense to keep posting in a thread where you question the validity of the topic?

[RobbiMan]

Instead of trying to be sarcastic, why not come back with some comments to refute what I wrote.

Perhaps you could bring up the value of Hughes and Duncan versus what the Angels have or Santana versus Wang.

Prove me wrong.

No, No, NDBoston,

I was not disagreeing with your post at all. I'm sorry if it seemed like that. I agree 100% that the Angels could very easily sweep in and trump any deal that the Yankees could put on the table. I was on here yesterday trying to make the point that the Yankees just do not have the chips to get a deal done for either Willis or Cabrera. The setting is different from when the Red Sox acquired Beckett. Mainly, the Marlins no longer have Lowell to dump on anyone. I was glad when your name finally popped into the thread because it lent a rational voice to those of us who were arguing that there is no way the Yankees could make this deal.

[NDBoston]

No, No, NDBoston,

I was not disagreeing with your post at all. I'm sorry if it seemed like that. I agree 100% that the Angels could very easily sweep in and trump any deal that the Yankees could put on the table. I was on here yesterday trying to make the point that the Yankees just do not have the chips to get a deal done for either Willis or Cabrera. The setting is different from when the Red Sox acquired Beckett. Mainly, the Marlins no longer have Lowell to dump on anyone. I was glad when your name finally popped into the thread because it lent a rational voice to those of us who were arguing that there is no way the Yankees could make this deal.

My apologies. I'm not on here that much lately with work and haven't paid attention to the thread.

Again, I'm sorry for reading your post incorrectly. I need a nap.

[Panamaniac42]

i would slaughter innocent children to have cabrera on the yankees

[Kudo]

There is probably a snowball's chance we get Dontrelle but its fun to discuss, I am not sure how his numbers would translate if he were to switch leagues and get out of Florida, not great I suppose.

On a lighter note I found this article from Sportspickle.com, pretty funny. http://sportspickle.com/features/vol...7-marlins.html

[blazennyfan]

funny article

[dkman]

You might rather trade for Zito even though he costs more just because he is in the American league and doesn't rely as much on a funky delivery that puts a lot of stress on his body to be good.

[aeromac76]

i would slaughter innocent children to have cabrera on the yankees

If it came to that, I'd happily fund you with money and arms to get the job done...

[ppa79]

cashman will pull a rabbit out of his hat

[RobbiMan]

cashman will pull a rabbit out of his hat

Can that rabbit play centerfield for you guys? [ducks] [sarcasm]

[Panamaniac42]

If it came to that, I'd happily fund you with money and arms to get the job done...

[Quangormo]

The Yankees threw out the names of Cano and Chien-Ming Wang in passing as possibilities for Willis, the Marlins' dynamic lefthander, but the Marlins told them it would take a lot more than that, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.
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Probably at least Cano, Wang, Henn, and one other player -- Proctor?

The D-Train is a player for whom it's worth giving up some guys you wouldn't ordinarily trade. He's a 20-game winner and he's incredibly young -- and a southpaw, to boot. He's a guy who cna be a centerpiece for a dcade or more. And in an environment like the Yankees, he could learn from Randy and Moose.

Do we give up a Chacon, a Small, people like that for this kid? How about Bubba? The Fish need a CF now. How about Phillips? Who else do we have? Do the Fish insist on Duncan?

Would you do Cano, Wang, Duncan, and Henn for Willis? Or wqould you want more return from the Marlins? If so, who?

And if we do that, who plays 2B?

[JMAN74]

Probably at least Cano, Wang, Henn, and one other player -- Proctor?

The D-Train is a player for whom it's worth giving up some guys you wouldn't ordinarily trade. He's a 20-game winner and he's incredibly young -- and a southpaw, to boot. He's a guy who cna be a centerpiece for a dcade or more. And in an environment like the Yankees, he could learn from Randy and Moose.

Do we give up a Chacon, a Small, people like that for this kid? How about Bubba? The Fish need a CF now. How about Phillips? Who else do we have? Do the Fish insist on Duncan?

Would you do Cano, Wang, Duncan, and Henn for Willis? Or wqould you want more return from the Marlins? If so, who?

And if we do that, who plays 2B?

Absolutely, and that should be plenty to get it done.

If we can get a guy of Willis caliber you do it and worry about 2B after. Besides were the Yanks. with our resources we'd find somebody at least adequate then worst case scenario if need be find a better one next year.

[tatanka9]

Hey, sorry to post so late on this, but I just Heard that the Yanks might be able to get Willis. Any possibility they can get Arnold, too. I just loved "Diff'rent Strokes."