Wow Yanks trying for Willis

[JMAN74]

While the cost-cutting Marlins still are refusing to lower their asking price of Robinson Cano for Juan Pierre, they have begun to tell teams that every player on their roster - including Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera - is available for the right price .

The Yankees threw out the names of Cano and Chien-Ming Wang in passing as possibilities for Willis, the Marlins' dynamic lefthander, but the Marlins told them it would take a lot more than that, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.
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http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...orts-headlines

Willis is one of the few players Id offer Cano/Wang AND another high level hitter for. He is extremely young and absolutely dominant. Furthermore he seems like the exact personality type that would flourish in the NY spotlight. Young dominant pitchers are probably the single hardest thing to aquire and Willis is exactly that. We can go out anytime in almost any FA and pick up a quality hitter (besides the fact that our O is already stocked for the next few years).
Thats why I hated the Beckett deal. He isnt as proven/durable (yet) as Willis but he has shown he can be dominant and is pressure tested ('03 WS anyone?) I wouldve been alot more aggressive for him. The only saving grace for the Yanks would be his durability (perhaps thats what held them back).

With Randy on his last legs literally and figuratively, if we have an opportunity to aquire a young dominant pitcher, we need to pull out all the stops.

[ryanthe13th]

Lets get this ball rolling. I'm all aboard the D-Train.

[Martini6196]

I'd trade Wang and Cano in a heartbeat for Willis.

[Irabu's Son]

I'd trade Wang and Cano in a heartbeat for Willis.

If Cairo could be signed, sure.

[JMAN74]

If Cairo could be signed, sure.

WHo cares. This is the Yanks, with our resources, we'd find an adequate replacement one way or another..


Heck with Willis on the mound we probably wouldn't even need a 2B when he pitches

[PoughVirginiaYankee]

I'd trade Wang and Cano in a heartbeat for Willis.

This is the thing...Cashman's pledge to not just sell away young guys, such as Wang and Cano really pays off in more ways than one. Yes, these guys are talented, and it'd be a shame to lose their very good, cheap talent. But, in rejecting initial offers for them, which from my recollection have been constant and many, it allows him to wait for BETTER, possibly the BEST offer than he can get for them. Willis would be great in NY....we'll see if Cano/Wang/Another player would be worth it.

[nojoke]

I'd trade Wang and Cano in a heartbeat for Willis.

They wouldn't

[RIyankee]

I'd trade Wang and Cano in a heartbeat for Willis.

So would I, if only it were that easy. Cano and Wang won't be enough for him, IMO.

[effdamets]

If getting the D-Train involves Cano.... Forget it!

[JMAN74]

If getting the D-Train involves Cano.... Forget it!

Yikes, talk about blind loyalty.

[HouseThatRingsBuild]

If getting the D-Train involves Cano.... Forget it!

I agree. If Wang is packaged in, I don't mind.

[Kulish29]

It would cost the Yankees Cano, Wang, Duncan and probably Hughes to get Willis. That would essentially put the Yankees back to having a fairly bad farm system. No thanks.

[JMAN74]

It would cost the Yankees Cano, Wang, Duncan and probably Hughes to get Willis. That would essentially put the Yankees back to having a fairly bad farm system. No thanks.

Dont know about Hughes too but if anyone is worth it for this team , a young dominant DURABLE SP like Willis is one of the few.

[Kulish29]

Dont know about Hughes too but if anyone is worth it for this team , a young dominant DURABLE SP like Willis is one of the few.

The Yankees already talked to the Marlins and offered Cano and Wang and the Marlins said that's where the negotiations would start.

The Marlins are in full rebuild mode. If they're going to trade their franchise pitcher, they're going to want a lot in return. Hughes would be a must in the deal.

[JMAN74]

The Yankees already talked to the Marlins and offered Cano and Wang and the Marlins said that's where the negotiations would start.

The Marlins are in full rebuild mode. If they're going to trade their franchise pitcher, they're going to want a lot in return. Hughes would be a must in the deal.

Not necessarily. Your undervaluing Cano/Wang in terms of fit for the Marlins orginization..very few clubs can offer two PROVEN high quality players who will be cheap for a long time. Most if are proven aren't as good as Cano/Wang or won't be cheap for as long as they will. For what the Marlins are looking for we have a very good synergy.

[BJG]

Not necessarily. Your undervaluing Cano/Wang in terms of fit for the Marlins orginization..very few clubs can offer two PROVEN high quality players who will be cheap for a long time. Most if are proven aren't as good as Cano/Wang or won't be cheap for as long as they will. For what the Marlins are looking for we have a very good synergy.

You're making a leap that 'proven' is what the Marlins want. Most teams want upside and high ceiling in these scenarios.

[Kulish29]

Not necessarily. Your undervaluing Cano/Wang in terms of fit for the Marlins orginization..very few clubs can offer two PROVEN high quality players who will be cheap for a long time. Most if are proven aren't as good as Cano/Wang or won't be cheap for as long as they will. For what the Marlins are looking for we have a very good synergy.

The thing is, the Yankees already offered Cano and Wang and the Marlins said that would be a starting point.

It would cost Cano, Wang and a prospect or two to get Willis. I'm not saying Willis is worth that, but that is what the Marlins are going to ask for. If the Yankees said no, there are plenty of other teams who could offer a package like that one, or better to get Willis.

[The Q Bomb]

It would cost the Yankees Cano, Wang, Duncan and probably Hughes to get Willis. That would essentially put the Yankees back to having a fairly bad farm system. No thanks.

Cy Young wouldn't have been worth THAT much! That's ridiculous.

[George Steinbrenner]

It would cost the Yankees Cano, Wang, Duncan and probably Hughes to get Willis. That would essentially put the Yankees back to having a fairly bad farm system. No thanks.

yep, those poor poor fans in Columbus and Trenton will have to wait yet another year to win a championship.

Cano, Wang, Duncan, and cash for Dtrain(who more than replaces Wang). Its essentially Cano and Duncan for Dtrain and hes a young (cy young) rising star. Lets move move move!

[Kulish29]

yep, those poor poor fans in Columbus and Trenton will have to wait yet another year to win a championship.

Cano, Wang, Duncan, and cash for Dtrain(who more than replaces Wang). Its essentially Cano and Duncan for Dtrain and hes a young (cy young) rising star. Lets move move move!

What you dont seem to understand is, 1.) There are a bunch of other teams who could put together a better package for Willis 2.) It would cost more than those 3 to get Willis and 3.) The Yankees are trying to save money and build the farm system to develop their own players like Willis so they can stay competitive and not end up like the 80's teams.

[Dooley Womack]

Who in the world do the Yanks (low salary, great potential) have that other teams can't at least match that would interest the Marlins? If they won't take the combo of Cano/Wang, I'm afraid there's not much more to offer. I think they'd want somebody who was more ready than Duncan too.

[JMAN74]

Who in the world do the Yanks (low salary, great potential) have that other teams can't at least match that would interest the Marlins? If they won't take the combo of Cano/Wang, I'm afraid there's not much more to offer. I think they'd want somebody who was more ready than Duncan too.

Cano/Wang ARE a great starting point throw in Duncan and thats one hell of a package...two guys that arent just prospects but are MAJOR league proven AND cheap. I dont know how many teams can beat that package . Marlins will probably want to field a somewhat competitive team next year Cano and Wang give them to players who can start and produce NOW cheap and w/o
the growing pains.

Dont forget we are stocked with hitters and it is MUCh easier to aquire hitting than dominant pitching ..we can afford to give up a young hitter or two for a stud like Wills.

[ReggieBar]

Cano/Wang ARE a great starting point throw in Duncan and thats one hell of a package...two guys that arent just prospects but are MAJOR league proven AND cheap. I dont know how many teams can beat that package . Marlins will probably want to field a somewhat competitive team next year Cano and Wang give them to players who can start and produce NOW cheap and w/o
the growing pains.

Dont forget we are stocked with hitters and it is MUCh easier to aquire hitting than dominant pitching ..we can afford to give up a young hitter or two for a stud like Wills.

Good Post. People forget that these two aren't prospects anymore. It would take the inclusion of Duncan or Hughes to make the deal, but I would not trade all four.

[Yankee Clipper]

Sending all those young players for a young pitcher with terrible mechanics and a ton of innings already under his belt is a huge risk...

[Kulish29]

Good Post. People forget that these two aren't prospects anymore. It would take the inclusion of Duncan or Hughes to make the deal, but I would not trade all four.

That's the thing. It would cost all four to get those two (Willis and Cabrera).

[ReggieBar]

That's the thing. It would cost all four to get those two (Willis and Cabrera).

Sorry, my post was for Willis only.

[JMAN74]

Good Post. People forget that these two aren't prospects anymore. It would take the inclusion of Duncan or Hughes to make the deal, but I would not trade all four.

Prefferably Duncan, I dont want to trade a Pitcher with dominant potential when were already giving up a proven young quality SP in Wang. Henn maybe...perhaps the Yanks arent as high on his prospects to be a great SP anymore.

[ojo]

it'd have to be wang, cano and insert blue chip prospect currently not found anywhere at any level in the yankee organization for willis.

forget it. this will never, ever happen.

[StaceyRosie]

I would not give up Cano and Wang for Willis.

[FormerlyKnownAsMHHL]

I would not give up Cano and Wang for Willis.

Why not?

[ojo]

I would not give up Cano and Wang for Willis.

why the hell not?

he's a stud LH SP along the likes of johann santana. cano? wang?

please. i'd give them arod for willis.

[effdamets]

i'd give them arod for willis.

WHOA!

[ojo]

WHOA!

i typed that more for effect than actual trade 'value'.

but yeah, you gotta pay a pretty penny to land dontrelle willis. cano/wang wouldn't get it done. nor would cano/wang/duncan.

[JMAN74]

i typed that more for effect than actual trade 'value'.

but yeah, you gotta pay a pretty penny to land dontrelle willis. cano/wang wouldn't get it done. nor would cano/wang/duncan.

Actually cano/wang/duncan if not enough would be pretty darn close. 2 PROVEN major league ready and cheap players along with our best hitting prospect? Itd be better than most packages in terms of fit for FLA b/c it gives them proven quality players who don't cost much AND a guy who has a world of potential as a hitter.

[Pakalolo]

why the hell not?

he's a stud LH SP along the likes of johann santana. cano? wang?

please. i'd give them arod for willis.

I think now is the time to trade Wang, i think his value is as high as it will be, he also has a messed up shoulder.

If you can trade Wang and Cano for Willis, you have to do it. 2b can be found. Wang, still isnt the next koufax...

[Kulish29]

I think now is the time to trade Wang, i think his value is as high as it will be, he also has a messed up shoulder.

If you can trade Wang and Cano for Willis, you have to do it. 2b can be found. Wang, still isnt the next koufax...

Good 2nd baseman are not easily found.

[wileedog]

Good 2nd baseman are not easily found.

2005 Robinson Cano: .297 AVG, .320 OBP, ,778 OPS

2004 Miguel Cairo: .292 AG, .346 OBP 763 OPS


Sometimes its not that hard.




p.s. I'm mostly being facetious here....

[JMAN74]

Good 2nd baseman are not easily found.

umm young, dominateing SPs w/ little injury history are 3X as rare.

[JMAN74]

I think now is the time to trade Wang, i think his value is as high as it will be, he also has a messed up shoulder.

If you can trade Wang and Cano for Willis, you have to do it. 2b can be found. Wang, still isnt the next koufax...

Though I like Wang alot, Willis is on another level.

[Dooley Womack]

I would not give up Cano and Wang for Willis.

I have to disagree. Wang, though I like his cool, is still an injury risk and who knows if he's going to be what we want him to be. His low k-rate still concerns me some. Cano comes nowhere near the value of Willis.

[IncredibleByNature]

I would not give up Cano and Wang for Willis.

Neither would I.

[YankeeStripes]

id literally faint if the yankees got dontrelle willist.

Trade Cano, Wang and Duncan for Willis.

Sign Nomar for 2nd, Damon for CF

woah.

[yankeesnumber1]

id literally faint if the yankees got dontrelle willist.

Trade Cano, Wang and Duncan for Willis.

Sign Nomar for 2nd, Damon for CF

woah.

Sounds good to me!!!

[Jasbro]

Would anybody do this?

Dontrelle Willis and Juan Pierre for Wang, Cano, Duncan, and Proctor.

[ojo]

Would anybody do this?

Dontrelle Willis and Juan Pierre for Wang, Cano, Duncan, and Proctor.

it'd cost more than that.

[Jasbro]

it'd cost more than that.

Add on Hughes. How about now?

[dabomb2045]

Dontrelle Willis is a stud, and will be a dominant pitcher for a long time. If I can get him for Cano, Wang, Duncan...I'm doing it in a second.

[Dooley Womack]

Dontrelle Willis is a stud, and will be a dominant pitcher for a long time. If I can get him for Cano, Wang, Duncan...I'm doing it in a second.

And only freakin 23!

[Kulish29]

Add on Hughes. How about now?

They'd probably listen, but there are other teams out there who could offer a better deal.

[effdamets]

Would anybody do this?

Dontrelle Willis and Juan Pierre for Wang, Cano, Duncan, and Proctor.

No. Not Cano. Another player, but not Robby.