Pavano given clean bill of health....bears watching for a trade

[Ghost of Dan Pasqua]

"Meanwhile, Carl Pavano, whose 2005 season was ruined by shoulder weakness, recently received a clean bill of health by Dr. James Andrews."

http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=...Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2

While those of us on this forum debate whether or not the Yankees should trade Pavano, this little note from the Bergen record came as a bit of a flag for me. Over the years, when the Yankees announce that a player of questionable health has been given the go ahead, usually that signals more to other teams that they are not damaged goods rather than for the Yankees own use. This was the same exact thing last year with Vazquez. He went to get his shoulder checked out prior to the winter meetings, as it turned out, with the intention to clear the way for his inclusion in the Randy Johnson trade. And also Cashman has now come out and said that Pavano didn't want out of NY. To me this is all screaming leverage in trade talks. IMO, I think Pavano gets traded next week, the question is, for who.

[BronxByTheBay]

And also Cashman has now come out and said that Pavano didn't want out of NY. To me this is all screaming leverage in trade talks.

Impossible. All public declarations made are 100% honest.

[TEPLimey]

I was surprised when I read that this article was recent. I figured he had a clean bill of health in July.

In all seriousness, I am a big advocate of trading Pavano. He has never been a great pitcher, has had some health problems, and has said he wants out of NY. For a good deal, I would be very happy to see him leave. Hopefully this clean bill of health will facilitate such a move.

[NewEraYanks2527]

[QUOTE=Ghost of Dan PasquaIMO, I think Pavano gets traded next week, the question is, for who.[/QUOTE]
I'd have to disagree. I think he is staying here. Of course that is probably best considering teams are asking for alot from the Yankees for little (the Phillies asked for Wang for Michaels) so I really don't see Cash trading Pavano.

[whalers]

"Meanwhile, Carl Pavano, whose 2005 season was ruined by shoulder weakness, recently received a clean bill of health by Dr. James Andrews."

http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=...Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2

While those of us on this forum debate whether or not the Yankees should trade Pavano, this little note from the Bergen record came as a bit of a flag for me. Over the years, when the Yankees announce that a player of questionable health has been given the go ahead, usually that signals more to other teams that they are not damaged goods rather than for the Yankees own use. This was the same exact thing last year with Vazquez. He went to get his shoulder checked out prior to the winter meetings, as it turned out, with the intention to clear the way for his inclusion in the Randy Johnson trade. And also Cashman has now come out and said that Pavano didn't want out of NY. To me this is all screaming leverage in trade talks. IMO, I think Pavano gets traded next week, the question is, for who.

The Vazquez situation was a little different. The Yankees used him to get RJ. If not RJ I dont think Javy gets traded last offseason. The Yankees would need to be getting tremendous value if they were going to trade Pavano.

[Ghost of Dan Pasqua]

The Vazquez situation was a little different. The Yankees used him to get RJ. If not RJ I dont think Javy gets traded last offseason. The Yankees would need to be getting tremendous value if they were going to trade Pavano.

And the Yankees will use Pavano to get the centerfield situation sorted out. I'll be floored if Bubba is the everyday centerfielder next year. Even if it's Pavano as part of a deal for a corner outfielder and move Matsui there next year.

[nyg02005]

It could have taken Dr. andrews a minute to give pavano a clean bill of health bec. he did not find anything when he examined him last july or august.

[StatenIslandYankee]

Wouldn't shock me if Pavano is part of the Yankees CF solution. But it better be for a decent CF.

[yanksphan]

The Vazquez situation was a little different. The Yankees used him to get RJ. If not RJ I dont think Javy gets traded last offseason. The Yankees would need to be getting tremendous value if they were going to trade Pavano.

perhaps Abreu...

[MTYankee23]

The ideal solution isn't to trade Pavano in the next week, it would be to wait until after pitchers like Burnett and Millwood have been signed, and there will be teams desparate for starting pitching.

Unlike Vazquez, whose metrics were actually good, and had been fairly consistent, indicating that a few mechanical tweaks would have led to better results, Pavano has been injury prone, and the only consistency he's shown has been for the most part, very average. His peripherals and metrics aren't good, and he's overpaid.

[gdn]

It could have taken Dr. andrews a minute to give pavano a clean bill of health bec. he did not find anything when he examined him last july or august.

and you know that because....?

[it better be "I am Dr. Andrews"]

[nyg02005]

and you know that because....?

[it better be "I am Dr. Andrews"]

from cashman when he announced that pavano will be back in the rotation in 1 or 2 weeks. The announcement came after pavano visited andrews.

[gdn]

from cashman when he announced that pavano will be back in the rotation in 1 or 2 weeks. The announcement comes after pavano visits andrews.

Obviously something went wrong because he didn't return to the rotation.

I'm sure it fulfills some fantasy to believe that Pavano was actually fine all year long, but just sat out for some unknown reason.

Reality, however, is far away from that.

[hlrjr]

Seattle is still interested in Pavano and recently inquired about him. My dreams could still come true and we acquire Jeremy Reed for him.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/58700.htm

[ieddyi]

and you know that because....?

[it better be "I am Dr. Andrews"]

2 MRI's came back negative and Andrews came up w/ a diagnosis of tendonitis- a meaningless diagnosis

[Bub]

I was surprised when I read that this article was recent. I figured he had a clean bill of health in July.

In all seriousness, I am a big advocate of trading Pavano. He has never been a great pitcher, has had some health problems, and has said he wants out of NY. For a good deal, I would be very happy to see him leave. Hopefully this clean bill of health will facilitate such a move.

The question is did we ever see him healthy here? If not, then I'd rather give him another year. If so, then the last thing I want to see is another season of home run derby.

[gdn]

2 MRI's came back negative and Andrews came up w/ a diagnosis of tendonitis- a meaningless diagnosis

So then why did he sit out the rest of the season? There must've been something...

[yankswn23]

I think he is going to get us hunter..

[nyg02005]

So then why did he sit out the rest of the season? There must've been something...

definitiely there is something wrong or lacking with pavano. If he stays with the yankees, I am hoping that it was really physical.

[DandyAndy46]

perhaps Abreu...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/abreubo01.shtml


19 career games in CF, good hitter but not a center fielder

[IronCaballo4]

man, at first when I read the thread title I thought "Why would Da Bears want Pavano?"

[StatenIslandYankee]

I think he is going to get us hunter..

I doubt it. Twins need HITTING, not another pitcher.

[whalers]

I doubt it. Twins need HITTING, not another pitcher.

The last I read Seattle had expressed interest in Pavano. Could Carl land Reed?

[StatenIslandYankee]

The last I read Seattle had expressed interest in Pavano. Could Carl land Reed?

No way.

[CptCrunch]

man, at first when I read the thread title I thought "Why would Da Bears want Pavano?"

Good, I wasn't the only one.

[whalers]

No way.

Thats what I figured as well. I was just throwing it out there since Seattle is the only team I recently heard had interest in Pavano.

[nyg02005]

No way.

no way as in the seattle will not do it or the yankees will not do it? To me it depend on what the teams think of pavano and his injury.

[StatenIslandYankee]

Good, I wasn't the only one.

Yeah I thought the same thing, but then again they need someone with a little more accuracy than Kyle ;x

[gdn]

definitiely there is something wrong or lacking with pavano. If he stays with the yankees, I am hoping that it was really physical.

I'm not as inclined as some are to believe that it was solely mental. I think there was something physically wrong with him.

[nyg02005]

I'm not as inclined as some are to believe that it was solely mental. I think there was something physically wrong with him.

again if he stays with the yankees, i hope you are right.

[gdn]

again if he stays with the yankees, i hope you are right.

We'll find out soon enough... I think, if healthy, he can be a good #3.

[BRNXBMRS]

I think pavano will be traded if the right deal comes along. Cashman isnt going to tell the rest of the world that Pavano isnt happy in NY.

[23and2]

Listen to the 11/29 Cashman interview with Mike and the Mad Dog (wfan.com). He doesn't come out an say it, but Pavano is clearly a trade candidate. Him and, I believe, Chacon because he isn't owed a ton of money, are going to be asked about when the FA pitching market dries up. Winter meetings should lay a lot of groundwork for some interesting trade possibilities. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Yanks use one of those pitchers, money and some lesser minor prospects to get something done in CF.

[gdn]

I sincerely hope that Chacon isn't traded, though.

[BRNXBMRS]

Listen to the 11/29 Cashman interview with Mike and the Mad Dog (wfan.com). He doesn't come out an say it, but Pavano is clearly a trade candidate. Him and, I believe, Chacon because he isn't owed a ton of money, are going to be asked about when the FA pitching market dries up. Winter meetings should lay a lot of groundwork for some interesting trade possibilities. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Yanks use one of those pitchers, money and some lesser minor prospects to get something done in CF.

I took it the sameway regarding Pavano, but I think Cashman is going to keep Chacon beacuse of his age and salary.

[StatenIslandYankee]

I sincerely hope that Chacon isn't traded, though.

I'd rather trade Pavano.

[gdn]

I'd rather trade Pavano.

If it came down to the two, I'd give up Pavano in less than a heartbeat.

[sugmasterflex]

The Nationals need pitching. Maybe Pavano for Wilkerson and Schneider?

[YankClipper5]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/abreubo01.shtml


19 career games in CF, good hitter but not a center fielder

In addition to this, word is Phils and Sox are heated in discussions for a Manny for Abreu swap, I dont know but I just don't see Abreu happening. I would not mind dealing Pavano to the Dodgers to get Milton Bradley, I know I know his attitude but same went for Sheff and no doubt Milt has the tools. I would not mind acquiring him and the Dodgers may be after pitching too...

[MTYankee23]

In addition to this, word is Phils and Sox are heated in discussions for a Manny for Abreu swap, I dont know but I just don't see Abreu happening. I would not mind dealing Pavano to the Dodgers to get Milton Bradley, I know I know his attitude but same went for Sheff and no doubt Milt has the tools. I would not mind acquiring him and the Dodgers may be after pitching too...

You could absolutely get Bradley for Pavano, but I'm not sure you would. I believe he'd be available for far less. The forementioned Wilkerson/Schneider deal, you do in a heartbeat, esp. if the Nationals aren't making you pick up a large chunk of salary.

[Buzah!]

Ghost, good pick-up. It usually does foretell a trade of the healthy player.

[Shinebox]

The Nationals need pitching. Maybe Pavano for Wilkerson and Schneider?

I would do that in a second.. but they signed Stinnett so i dont think they will go get another catcher. Schneider is underrated, he could be a good fit here... and Wilkerson would be huge. A centerfielder AND a backup firstbasemen with one guy.. thats perfect for the yanks

After watching the way Chacon pitched in the playoffs there is no way the yanks could trade him. He was our ace down the stretch last year, and pitched a gem in his first playoff start. Hes a keeper

[nyg02005]

If it came down to the two, I'd give up Pavano in less than a heartbeat.

again it depend on what pavano we are talking about. A mentally and physically healthy pavano is at the very least a no. 3 and on most team a no.1 SP while chacon at his best is a no. 4 maybe a no. 3 SP.

[DontHateOnNumber2]

Seattle is still interested in Pavano and recently inquired about him. My dreams could still come true and we acquire Jeremy Reed for him.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/58700.htm

Don't we all wish?

[YankClipper5]

You could absolutely get Bradley for Pavano, but I'm not sure you would. I believe he'd be available for far less. The forementioned Wilkerson/Schneider deal, you do in a heartbeat, esp. if the Nationals aren't making you pick up a large chunk of salary.

I see where you are coming from about Bradley for less. He is my prime target for CF because he has the best tools of anyone available, he just needs to be tamed. If we are only getting a mediocre CF otherwise to fill the real estate for a season or 2, why not give Milt the tryout. Maybe they will take Pavano's contract in full? I think it is a fair trade. In terms of tools, I think it is an excellent value and probably the best we can acquire for Pavano. He is young and very talented. If we can get his head straight, admittedly a HUGE if, he can have at least 5 productive seasons at the plate and his speed and arm make him ideal for the Stadium.

[DandyAndy46]

In addition to this, word is Phils and Sox are heated in discussions for a Manny for Abreu swap, I dont know but I just don't see Abreu happening. I would not mind dealing Pavano to the Dodgers to get Milton Bradley, I know I know his attitude but same went for Sheff and no doubt Milt has the tools. I would not mind acquiring him and the Dodgers may be after pitching too...

I think comparing some of Sheff's antics to Milton Bradley's is a bit of a stretch...Bradley has some serious anger management issues...I wouldn't trade felix escalona or a bag of balls for Bradley....he's not worth any risk, much less Pavano

And on another note...what do the Yankees really need from CF?? Someone to catch the ball, if they can't depend on Jeter, Cano, A-Rod, Giambi, Sheff, Matsui, Posada to produce then this team is going to be screwed....they do not NEED an offensive CFer at this point, they need someone to catch the ball

[nyctalopia]

Yeah, Pavano to the Nationals is an intriguing idea since they lost out on Loiaza and aren't in the running for Burnett or Millwood. Wilkerson would look REALLY nice in centerfield.

[gdn]

I think comparing some of Sheff's antics to Milton Bradley's is a bit of a stretch...Bradley has some serious anger management issues...I wouldn't trade felix escalona or a bag of balls for Bradley....he's not worth any risk, much less Pavano

And on another note...what do the Yankees really need from CF?? Someone to catch the ball, if they can't depend on Jeter, Cano, A-Rod, Giambi, Sheff, Matsui, Posada to produce then this team is going to be screwed....they do not NEED an offensive CFer at this point, they need someone to catch the ball

Especially since Bradley would just throw the bag of balls right back.

[NewEraYanks2527]

Yeah, Pavano to the Nationals is an intriguing idea since they lost out on Loiaza and aren't in the running for Burnett or Millwood. Wilkerson would look REALLY nice in centerfield.

Pavano should be able to get us more than just Wilkerson. I'd rather keep Pavano if the trade was Pavano for Wilkerson straight up.

[nyctalopia]

Pavano should be able to get us more than just Wilkerson. I'd rather keep Pavano if the trade was Pavano for Wilkerson straight up.

Agreed. But his trade value is probably not going to be higher for any other team, except maybe Seattle, and unfortunately Pavano won't be enough to net Reed. That's not to say Cashman should get fleeced.