Pavano wants out (per NJ Star Ledger)

[NewEraYanks2527]

"Right-hander Carl Pavano, who signed a four-year contract with the Yankees a year ago, has been telling friends he wants out.

A person who spoke with Pavano late in the 2005 season said Pavano was "miserable" with the Yankees and that he would like the team to try to trade him this winter. He has not yet asked the Yankees to trade him, and he might not make the request formal, but he might not have to."
http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/ind...480.xml&coll=1

You'll have to put in your zip code and birthday to read the whole thing, but what does everyone think of that. I don't know how much stock I put in it, afterall, we did hear something similar during the season last year didnt we?

[StaceyRosie]

Don't let the door hit ya in the ass Carl!

[NelsonMuntz]

If it yields us a centerfielder and/or some bullpen help, then so be it.

[BillAlex]

I cant imagine his trade value is very high at this point

nice timing Carl. wasnt it a life long dream to play for the Yanks?

[hardrain]

Good riddance, Carl...GO.......

[apolansk]

wasnt it a life long dream to play for the Yanks?

He played for the Yankees....for half a season.

[effdamets]

Worthless piece of garbage! You know, players ought to get their slaries taken away (or at least a percentage) if they do sh*t like this....

What a wimpy.... I can't even think of the adjectives right now!!!!!

[Yankees1962]

I have serious doubts to the validity of this story. What happened to Pavano for him to feel this way? I don't remember any bad incidents in which a player like Pavano would want to give up after pitching for the Yankees just three months before he was injured.

Okay, I just read who wrote this story, enough said about the validity issue.

[whalers]

The source of this article is a "person close to Carl" I wonder if this is the same person who said that he wanted to play for the sox because he was from NE and grew up a sox fan. Until Carl or his agent come out and say this I have a hard time believing this.

[Kulish29]

The source of this article is a "person close to Carl" I wonder if this is the same person who said that he wanted to play for the sox because he was from NE and grew up a sox fan. Until Carl or his agent come out and say this I have a hard time believing this.

Exactly. It's the, "person familiar with (insert name here)'s thinking." BS

[knickfan23]

I have serious doubts to the validity of this story. What happened to Pavano for him to feel this way? I don't remember any bad incidents in which a player like Pavano would want to give up after pitching for the Yankees just three months before he was injured.

Okay, I just read who wrote this story, enough said about the validity issue.

There were rumblings about this in July in Newsday, so this is nothing new. The whole stuff about him growing up a Yanks fan and stuff was all potential garbage. They probably had the Red Sox stuff in the other room so the cameras couldnt see it.

As far as people wanting to trade him for Wilkerson, consider this:

Why would the Nats trade for a guy who missed the last 3 months of the season with a mysterious shoulder ailment that never cleared up, makes 10 million a year, and struggled in his first 3 months for us.

Its not like we're in a position of strength here with these other teams.

[BronxByTheBay]

This is all bullsh*t unless the guy is traded and confirms it. Yet more "sources according to his thinking" crap.

The guy could have gone virtually anywhere he wanted last off-season and made the same/more money. He wanted to be here. I bet he still does.

[patrick.o]

The whole stuff about him growing up a Yanks fan and stuff was all potential garbage. They probably had the Red Sox stuff in the other room so the cameras couldnt see it.

Not so. Carl grew up two towns over and I remember when the Sox drafted him the story was that he was happy that he might get to play so close to home, but the irony was that he was a Yankees fan getting his chance with the Sox. There was a quote in the paper that was something like, "well I guess I'm a Red Sox fan now."

[I Love Wang]

Why would the Nats trade for a guy who missed the last 3 months of the season with a mysterious shoulder ailment that never cleared up, makes 10 million a year, and struggled in his first 3 months for us.

Its not like we're in a position of strength here with these other teams.

Yeah, especially when they could go out and sign... Jeff Weaver? Anybody with starting pitching to trade has an advantage. There are a lot more buyers than sellers on the market right now. Perhaps we'd have to swallow a little salary, but I have a feeling Pavano for Wilkerson would be something they'd do. Especially considering they aren't planning to start Wilkerson.

[The Q Bomb]

I have serious doubts to the validity of this story. What happened to Pavano for him to feel this way? I don't remember any bad incidents in which a player like Pavano would want to give up after pitching for the Yankees just three months before he was injured.

Okay, I just read who wrote this story, enough said about the validity issue.

Agreed. Why on earth would a player, who could have signed with other teams as a free agent for not much less than The Yanks offered, want to be traded after less than a half season unless something terrible happened to him? Yes, he was injured, but unless one of his teammates or coaches hit him with a bat - that could have happened anywhere. Yes, he has had to put up with a lot of second guessing by irate Yankee fans, however, unless he is really an airhead - he must have known how tough the NYY crowd can be when a player does not perform up to expectations.

Unfortunately, more often than not, the "unfounded rumors" turn out to be not so "unfounded". I'd love for him to address this "rumor" but doubt that will ever happen.

[Tifoso]

Agreed. Why on earth would a player, who could have signed with other teams as a free agent for not much less than The Yanks offered, want to be traded after less than a half season unless something terrible happened to him? Yes, he was injured, but unless one of his teammates or coaches hit him with a bat - that could have happened anywhere. Yes, he has had to put up with a lot of second guessing by irate Yankee fans, however, unless he is really an airhead - he must have known how tough the NYY crowd can be when a player does not perform up to expectations.

Unfortunately, more often than not, the "unfounded rumors" turn out to be not so "unfounded".

And he is a Yankees fan. Doesn't make any sense to me, either.

[Kulish29]

I'll believe it when Carl says something. Otherwise, it's the same BS from last season.

[Tifoso]

I'll believe it when Carl says something. Otherwise, it's the same BS from last season.

What you said.

[sundstrom]

this is just a reprint of last summer's rumor.

[THEBOSS84]

This is the best news I have heard all offseason.
At this point if they can back anything remotely close to a talented player for this overpaid pitcher, I'd be happy.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Wow, how people turn on someone.

I don't think he wants to go anywhere, I really think these guys make it up and quote a source.

I really hope people are this harsch on you at work as well.

[nyg02005]

If he wants to get traded this winter, he should have tried to come back and pitch in 2005 season. His trade value is down right now.

[vegematarian]

I'll believe it when he says it.

[Espinosa's Glasses]

I could seriously only hope that this is true... cause he is a pretty nice chip

[noneckwilliams]

I could seriously only hope that this is true... cause he is a pretty nice chip

I'm not sure how great a chip he is making big bucks and with big question marks about his health. They won't get much for Pavano at this point and would likely have to pay a chunk of his $$$.

I'd keep him.

[Espinosa's Glasses]

I'm not sure how great a chip he is making big bucks and with big question marks about his health. They won't get much for Pavano at this point and would likely have to pay a chunk of his $$$.

I'd keep him.

They could get something better than garbage.... people need pitching especially this offseason where it seems like there is none...

I agree though... I mean you aren't going to get a superstar... but probably something better than Bubba Crosby

[iWant27]

I really hate this guy . Last year when he signed the contract for big money , didnt he realize the expectations playing for yankees . Now he has his money , he wants a easier life . As***** . I really hate this chickensh**** .

[Wang's Groundballs]

They could get something better than garbage.... people need pitching especially this offseason where it seems like there is none...

Just wait until A.J. Burnett gets 5 years, $70 million. Even with his crappy 2005 Pavano will start looking like a bargain to some GMs.

[JDPNYY]

Signing Pavano was one of many mistakes made last winter.

[YankeeFan1]

Again, I find this rumor really hard to believe. The guy was a Yankee fan as a kid. I just don't believe that he wants to leave without giving his best for one whole healthy season.

Also, even if true, the Yankees simply must not trade him. They cannot keep giving up young pitchers for older ones.

[ICEBERG18]

I've heard this song already......

[yanksphan]

Another Graziano gem.....yawn.

[BRNXBMRS]

If the Yanks trade him, I hope they dont give him away. Anyone else hear the Washburn rumor?

http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=...Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2

[jonnyc39]

Send him to the Sox for Clement.

[MiamiKat]

Send him to the Sox for Clement.

Remember when Yankee & Sox fans argued over who was the better signing -- Pavano or Clement? Ah, good times.

Hey...has the gossip that Pavano's problems weren't 100% physical ever been totally dismissed? (Like with a MRI or other definitive medical study or physician diagnosis.) IIRC, everything surrounding Pavano's situation was quite vague.

So. playing devil's advocate here, perhaps this latest rumor is true. It actually may have been true for a while...

[Jim Roche]

Send him to the Nationals for Wilkerson, then sign Joey Eishen...

[Sam18]

I'll wait until I hear it from his mouth.

[patrick.o]

I heard from a source close to the Ledger's source that Carl hates when his egg yolk is runny.

If anyone from the Ledger is reading this, I guarantee you that Carl will be in pinstripes in April. You don't need to quote me anonomously, tell 'em patrick.o said so.

[noneckwilliams]

I'll wait until I hear it from his mouth.

I can understand why Pavano is miserable. I would be too if I missed most of a season due to injury. However, I don't believe that he wants to be traded. (I don't believe anything that comes after "A source close to....")

I'm also not ready to give up on Pavano after only a half a season. I think he's a better pitcher than what he showed. I certainly wouldn't give him away.

There's probably an element of truth to this story since it's not the first time something like this has been reported. CP had a frustrating season (getting booed of the mound in May or June probably doesn't help) and remember there was that story in Aug/Sept about he and the Yankees having differing opinions about his health status.

Still, I wouldn't dump this guy and whatever problems he may have will be forgotten after a couple of quality starts in April/May 2006.

[Wang's Groundballs]

If he really does want out then good riddance.

If he doesn't, then I just hope he pitches as well as he can in 2006.

[yanksconstantino24]

I can understand why Pavano is miserable. I would be too if I missed most of a season due to injury. However, I don't believe that he wants to be traded. (I don't believe anything that comes after "A source close to....")

I'm also not ready to give up on Pavano after only a half a season. I think he's a better pitcher than what he showed. I certainly wouldn't give him away.

[gk1272]

If true, I won't miss him...Yanks need a strong CF alot more than they need CP's arm right now...

[YankClipper5]

I think Pavano wanted to pitch for the team he grew up rooting for but can't handle the pressure, he has good stuff but he was never the Ace that last years FA market made him out to be. I think he could be an excellent pitcher for some team. Many teams are desperate for pitching and the market is thin so he may look attractive to some teams. A couple suggestions regarding trading Pavano:

1) For prospects from a pitching starved team i.e. Texas which can be used to land Rowand, Bradley, or Corey Patterson (I am not endorsing these guys, simply assuming they are the most readily available)

2) To the Dodgers for Bradley perhaps straight up, I don't know how feasible this is but hey, worth a shot. I would perhaps even work some lower regarded prospects into the deal.

3) Dream Scenario: If the Jays lose out on Burnett, send him there with perhaps Sheff or Posada (preferably Posada) and some good prospects or another expendable pitcher (Small) and prospects of some combination for Vernon Wells. Subsequent openings to be offered to Giles or Jacque Jones for RF (choose between younger vs. talent) or Ramon Hernandez for catcher (outside shot at Jojima, but he may be locked up by then)

Any thoughts on these situations?

[Irabu's Son]

WAAAAAAAAAH I don't like playing for the Yankees anymore WAAAAAAAAAAAH

[NYYBombshell]

Good God people...............you're all acting like this came straight out of his mouth live on ESPN.

This sounds like bullsh*t to me.

[Mark19]

If this is true, Pavano should talk to Wang about what its like to have a pair. Chien-Ming came back from injury and put in a couple of great performances without a single pout or complaint. Even Wright worked his ass off to come back to the Yanks in late August. Sure he only turned in a couple of decent outings but that kid has heart and drive.

[BillBuckner]

Really? Sources close to me who know sources close to Jeter, says he wants out too. Good riddance.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Really? Sources close to me who know sources close to Jeter, says he wants out too. Good riddance.

The difference is that if there were rumors that Jeter wanted out, you can bet your life that Jeter would immediately tell us that those rumors are 100% false.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Pavano should talk to Wang about what its like to have a pair. Chien-Ming came back from injury and put in a couple of great performances without a single pout or complaint. Even Wright worked his ass off to come back to the Yanks in last August. Sure he only turned in a couple of decent outings but that kid has heart and drive.

I couldn't agree more. Those two guys had major shoulder surgeries while Pavano had a sore shoulder that didn't need surgery that kept him out for months.

[DJ27]

I couldn't agree more. Those two guys had major shoulder surgeries while Pavano had a sore shoulder that didn't need surgery that kept him out for months.

Which lowers his trade value even more.