I just caught the end of this conversation.
But apparently the White Sox' Aaron Rowand is on the trading block, but the Yankees don't have the chips needed to get him, so they're trying to bring in a third team to get the deal done.
Rowand would be my number one choice for CF.
My friend who lives in Chicago heard that there is some real smoke on the talks.
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absolutely fantastic idea. This offseason is proceeding nicely.
Meh stupid move imo, depends on which ROwand we get.Originally Posted by DiMaggio5CF
The one who hit .310/.361/.544 in 2004 or the one who hit .270/.329/.407 last year. Either would be acceptable but i would only give somebody good up for the first one. His defense is overrated because of how good he played against us.
I would love to see his UZR #'s
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I love the idea of Rowand in center. I cringe at what the Yankees are going to end up giving up for him if a deal occurs.
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I think either one is an improvement over Bubba.
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His defensive statistics show him as possibly the elite defensive CFer in major league baseball.
It all depends on who we are giving up.
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pretty much how i feel, and i have a feeling its sheff which is why im not excited about this.
They better be prepared to sign Giles then ... you need to replace Sheffield's offensive production.
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There are a ton of 28 year old career AAA players better than Crosby. I dont have a probelm with Rowand im just worried we are going to get fleeced.
While I obviously haven't seen him as much as others, I did watch a lot of ChiSox games this season, and his defense is outstanding, based on what I've seen.
What the Yankees really need in CF is a whiz with a glove. The down side is that most of those guys are somewhat of automatic outs. Rowand is that superb glove who can at least hold his own with the stick.
He's exactly what the Yankees need, IMO.
If they replace Sheff with Giles I wouldnt be too upset about this.
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I agree 100% with what you said. Also I am not sure what his defensive numbers are but they better be good because we are not going to be sure which Rowand we get offensively.
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Think about it this way, what do the White Sox really need? Their bullpen is stacked, their infield is solid, their rotation is supreme, what could we possibly offer them?
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If there are a few prospects in the deal, I'm all for it.
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Thats why there would be a third team invovled.
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Seriously guys, I don't see the reason for the love affair with Rowand.
When he played us he made around 4-5 awesome plays in the field. However, over the course of the playoffs he did not do anything special in the field to catch my attention. I remember him hitting into multiple double plays in fact.
Now this guy might cost us some nice prospects, is he really worth it?
How often did you see him play? Are you from the Chicago area or is this a blind comment?
Which begs the question, do they have such a glaring weakness that they would deal their young, talented CF?
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I hope by prospects you meant career AAA guys or mid level guys. No way should the Yankees give up Henry, Jackson, Gardner, Cox, Schmidt, Hughes, Duncan ,etc. you get the point. My opinion on this relies on who would get the boot.
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yes but we also need a competant MLB hitter which ROwand at his worst is more than capable to fill that role, but i have fears of who we are going to give up.
Im not from chicago but i did see him play a lot. He is great with the glove but he is not the Torre Hunter(in his prime) that people think we are getting. He is overrated by some of us because he played amazing defense against us, hes not going to be doing what he did in Yankee Stadium last year(I was at all 3 games), every night. He is a great fielder but not an elite fielder imo.
I dont have a problem with his play, he is exactly what we need, but who we give up is important too and I dont think he is worth sheff(the guy who i think will be traded)
I heard Giles is likely to go to the Cards and doesnt want to play in New York.
Who would you prefer in CF?
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there has also been talk of griffey going to the white sox as well. perhaps that's the 3rd team in and the yanks can offer $$ (as usual)
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If you had watched him on a regular basis - you'd be singing a different tune.
Rowand had a +24 UZR in CF this year. 2nd in the AL only to Nook Logan's +30.
He was above the league average in FP, RF and RF/9
It wasn't just the games at YS. The guy is a superb defender, and exactly what we have needed for 5 years now.
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Depends on the price is Rowand doesnt cost sheff than i would like him. If he does than Wilkerson or Bradley, if neither of them then Jones.
Yea there is alot of that going around and I have links that say (www.prosportsdaily) that Giles doesnt care where he goes, so really that is a gray area. I dont but to much stock in what anyone has heard about him wanting or not wanting to go to New York.
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Thats news to me. The most recent articles quote Giles agent as saying he does not care where he plays.
This is from 11/12:
"Bick (Giles' agent) would not be more specific, but he reiterated that Giles would like to play in New York, though Giles has a reputation as a West Coast kind of guy."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...p-310742c.html
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This season has elevated Rowand from an above-average CF to a good CF. His jumps have improved and his glove is simply solid. He's always been very agressive, which allows him to make the highlight play more often, accounting for all the fans of his "spectacular" or "elite" CF performance. He isn't in the elite, in my opinion from watching him, regardless of what UZR can tell you (I don't believe in it). He's way better than anything else we have to offer. Bubba is average or a tick above, Matsui is average, or a tick below due to his lack of speed. Rowand makes the most of his tools. He's the type you want to build an OF around.
But offensively, he isn't entirely the Yankee model. He doesn't walk a lot (~60 combined over the last two years), but can hit solid gap shots and the long ball occationally, except in his 2004 season where he showed very good power to the tune of a .544 SLG. I admit I haven't seen him hit much, but it seems like a little patience would go a long way with him.
I don't understand why the Sox are putting him up for a trade. He makes 3.25 Mil in '06, and has a club option for 5 million in '07. With his '05 numbers that's a major bargain. With his '04 numbers, that's a steal.
edit With his defense, and salary, he's worth Sheffield. I'd do Rowand for Sheffield in a second, only because Sheffield's defense declining could be a huge factor in how he might decline offensively this season. Keep in mind his quick wrists enable him to turn on the inside pitch. Without this bat speed, he's nothing, and with increasing age comes decreasing bat speed. So it doesn't look good for Gary's future.
I just hope they don't over pay in lust,
i.e. Randy johnson
If the Yankees dont have the chips to get him straigh up, then they are most likely going to get shafted in this deal. I'd love Rowand in center, he's a solid ballplayer, the sort we need. But he isnt worth giving up any of our top-notch prospects.
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I agree with you, but he could just be leaving his options open to increase his stock. If he has another team competing, he's likely to get way more money than he would otherwise. The Yankees, with their budget, are a prime target for this.
It all depends on what we have to give up.
100% true.
Rowand is a good CF, but he didn't hit at all after the All-Star break. He shouldn't cost us that much, but Kenny Williams, like most GMs are trying to put Cashman over the barrel.
This is either the best or worst news I've heard all day.
Actually, Sweeny Murti from WFAN reported that the Yankees will look into getting him via a 3-team trade.
Mike jumped on the rumor like he reported it.
"Jesus Montero is a stud," one evaluator wrote in an e-mail. "One of the best young hitters I've ever seen, period."
If you consider how big Comerica is where Logan plays, which might allow him to get to balls that might be over the wall in Chicago. Which makes his UZR all the more remarkable.
A caller on Mike and the Dog just asked if there was any truth to the rumor about Cano to Seattle for Ichiro.
If Sheffield is traded for Rowand and Cano is traded for Ichiro, that would solve the outfield situation. I have no idea who the Yankees would target for second base.
Maybe Alfonso Soriano . . .
His FRAR this year was 27, RATE2 was 104. He posted a +24 UZR.
He definately has the defensive goods.
Cano isn't going anywhere, and getting back Soriano to play 2B would be a travesty.
Interesting to see how bad Kotsay was this year. -22 in CF.
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Stop it, Ichiro is not going anywhere. That's just talk show talk.
"Jesus Montero is a stud," one evaluator wrote in an e-mail. "One of the best young hitters I've ever seen, period."
Pavano/$$$ to Seattle, Ichiro/Gil Meche to Chicago, Rowand to NYY, Damaso Marte to Seattle?
Wright/Pavano are surely goners this offseason...
Calmer than you are.
Wow... that's so.... unlike Mike.Actually, Sweeny Murti from WFAN reported that the Yankees will look into getting him via a 3-team trade.
Mike jumped on the rumor like he reported it.
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Highly doubt it.
"Jesus Montero is a stud," one evaluator wrote in an e-mail. "One of the best young hitters I've ever seen, period."
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