Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

[Blokee]

If we could bring in Rowand for anything like Pavano or preferably Wright then it is a great deal. Rowand would be a very sound signing but obviously it depends on who we give up to get him.

[Boogiedown Bomber]

ah jeez...yet another thread on fat man and the little one.

[Stupid Flanders]

I really don't think it's Sheffield. Melky and Henn, or Duncan.

I'd believe Posada before Sheffield

[BJG]

Which begs the question, do they have such a glaring weakness that they would deal their young, talented CF?

They don't need a glaring weakness to trade him if they think his replacement, whom they already have, is ready to take over for him.

[Darth_Takeo]

Rowand > Giles

A good friend of mine said he heard Sporting News Radio throw out one idea of using Cano as a trade chip for a CFer then signing Furcal to play 2nd... Personally I hate the idea of trading Cano regardless of what we get, but I love Cano so I'm extra biased.

[bostonyankeefan]

Cano isn't going anywhere, and getting back Soriano to play 2B would be a travesty.

I don't want to trade Cano, but if we did, I would rather try to get Nomar on the cheap to replace him than go after Soriano.

Rowand would look great in pinstripes. The guy is a very solid player, and he covers a ton of ground in the OF. I would hate to lose Sheff, but I would give him up for Rowand.

[Tifoso]

Personally I hate the idea of trading Cano regardless of what we get, but I love Cano so I'm extra biased.

Even if you got the best 2nd baseman in the league?

[Kulish29]

Pavano/$$$ to Seattle, Ichiro/Gil Meche to Chicago, Rowand to NYY, Damaso Marte to Seattle?

RealGM says: Crirical internal error. Shutdown imminent.

[Tifoso]

RealGM says: Crirical internal error. Shutdown imminent.

[Darth_Takeo]

Even if you got the best 2nd baseman in the league?

Yeah because most likely, the best 2nd basemen isn't all that young and Cano could very well end up as one of the best 2nd basemen ever, plus it's highly unlikely such a deal would ever be made...

[Yankeeah]

Rowand > Giles

A good friend of mine said he heard Sporting News Radio throw out one idea of using Cano as a trade chip for a CFer then signing Furcal to play 2nd... Personally I hate the idea of trading Cano regardless of what we get, but I love Cano so I'm extra biased.

Furcal is a good player, but one of his best assests, his arm, would be wasted at 2nd.

[JeterRodriguezSheff]

Even if you got the best 2nd baseman in the league?

I hope you arent talking about soriano...

[BJG]

Yeah because most likely, the best 2nd basemen isn't all that young and Cano could very well end up as one of the best 2nd basemen ever, plus it's highly unlikely such a deal would ever be made...

1. The Mariners would have to get an awful lot to trade Ichiro. More than this. Even then, it is just highly unlikely. You have to remember who owns the team and how much he loves the guy.

2. Robinson Cano has no shot at being the best 2nd baseman ever.

[Darth_Takeo]

1. The Mariners would have to get an awful lot to trade Ichiro. More than this. Even then, it is just highly unlikely. You have to remember who owns the team and how much he loves the guy.

2. Robinson Cano has no shot at being the best 2nd baseman ever.

1. Not sure where I mentioned Ichiro...

2. Can you give me the winning powerball or megamillion lotto numbers? This whole work thing is getting old and I could do well to retire at 25..

[Mark19]

Of course this would fly in the face of what Cashman is trying to do but perhaps we could ship some quality arms (ML ready like Small/Chacon, or prospects like DeSalvo/Clippard) to the Reds with a bundle of cash and they can send Griffey to Chicago where he can be the DH/CF. The White Sox would also send Damaso Marte to the Reds and maybe a spare part like Timo Perez or Willie Harris. Maybe the Yanks could even wrangle Jason LaRue away from Cincy so he can split some work with Jorge.

[JfromJersey]

This idea that Gary "You don't want to trade for me" Sheffield, will be part of a deal is not realistic. I also think the Yankees are absolutely committed to keeping Cano. Pavano and prospects seem a realistic possibility, although the Yanks would probably have to absorb some of the money he is owed.

[ryanthe13th]

So have they named who would be leaving NY, the third team, or is this still just a big pile of BS?

[BJG]

2. Can you give me the winning powerball or megamillion lotto numbers? This whole work thing is getting old and I could do well to retire at 25..

I'm sure you could go to any sports book and get really, really good odds on a bet that Cano becomes the best 2nd baseman in the entire history of the game. It's just as good as the lottery.

[YankeePride1967]

It all depends on who we are giving up.

That's the question for absolutely ANY trade.

[Stupid Flanders]

Of course this would fly in the face of what Cashman is trying to do but perhaps we could ship some quality arms (ML ready like Small/Chacon, or prospects like DeSalvo/Clippard) to the Reds with a bundle of cash and they can send Griffey to Chicago where he can be the DH/CF. The White Sox would also send Damaso Marte to the Reds and maybe a spare part like Timo Perez or Willie Harris. Maybe the Yanks could even wrangle Jason LaRue away from Cincy so he can split some work with Jorge.

What it is Christmas in Cincinatti? Chacon, Small, Marte and Perez for Griffey?

[Darth_Takeo]

I'm sure you could go to any sports book and get really, really good odds on a bet that Cano becomes the best 2nd baseman in the entire history of the game. It's just as good as the lottery.

Could be, but someone usually wins, so there IS a chance..

[BJG]

It would seem that the very reason to get a third team involved is to not trade prospects, no? To trade Sheffield or Pavano or Wright or Small or whomever on the ML roster for players that Chicago wants, be they prospect or major leaguer.

[BJG]

Could be, but someone usually wins, so there IS a chance..

In your case, the casino would win.

[SoCal Pinstriper]

I'm in the "depends on what we give up" camp, and also the "confused as to why Chicago would want to move Rowand" camp. There are miles of dense confusing woods that seperate the two camps, so maybe sombody can help me navigate them.

I understand that we would be OK if we signed Giles, and traded Sheff in a three way for Rowand. I would be ecstatic if we were able to somhow deal Wright/Pavano/$ in a three way ending up with Rowand.

Where you guys are losing me in the woods, is in how this works for the WhiteSox. Realisticly (without knowing about their prospects), all they need this off season is to replace Konerko's bat (no small task). Why would they deal a productive player like Rowand who is signed for cheap to accomplish that (unless they have a great CF waiting in the wings).

Help me out. How does this work for the Chisox?

[Jaeho]

If the Yankees could get Ichiro for Cano, they would do it in a second. But Seattle would want A LOT more than Cano. Lets try Cano, Duncan, and Wang. Even then Seattle would probably get better offers for Ichiro if they ever put him on the market.

The Rowand talk sums up the attitude of many Yankee fans. They want good players, but they never want the other team to get anything in return except our overpaid garbage. You want to get Rowand, but not give up any top prospects or Sheffield? Give me a break. The days of the other teams being our farm systems are over.

[PerfectCone]

I just caught the end of this conversation.

But apparently the White Sox' Aaron Rowand is on the trading block, but the Yankees don't have the chips needed to get him, so they're trying to bring in a third team to get the deal done.

Rowand would be my number one choice for CF.

True, he played spectacularly at the Stadium. Not true that he is overrated. He is one of the top four or five cf's in MLB. Plus, the fact that he played so well at the Stadium should make everyone here happier than a pig in s*$t! Aren't we always wishing for guys that can raise the level of play when they are in da BX?

[Darth_Takeo]

In your case, the casino would win.

I once won $50 on a nickel slot machine in a casino while on a Carnival cruise!

This obviously translates to Cano becoming 2nd base king. Surely you can see this too!

[New Murderer's Row]

the white sox can trade rowand because they have several good prospects playing OF in the minors (i believe their names are brian anderson, ryan sweeney, and chris young) ...same reason they traded jeremy reed (who hit .409 in a AA season) for freddy garcia in '04. i can't recall their names, but i don't think the chisox want any part of griffey. (who would?)
i doubt they'd trade for more pitching after priding themselves on how good their rotation was, and with konerko probably leaving town for a ridiculous contract i would assume they want a power hitter.

[Yankeeah]

So, is this just a "it might happen," "theres a good chance" or a "complete rumor" type of deal

[BJG]

I'm in the "depends on what we give up" camp, and also the "confused as to why Chicago would want to move Rowand" camp. There are miles of dense confusing woods that seperate the two camps, so maybe sombody can help me navigate them.

I understand that we would be OK if we signed Giles, and traded Sheff in a three way for Rowand. I would be ecstatic if we were able to somhow deal Wright/Pavano/$ in a three way ending up with Rowand.

Where you guys are losing me in the woods, is in how this works for the WhiteSox. Realisticly (without knowing about their prospects), all they need this off season is to replace Konerko's bat (no small task). Why would they deal a productive player like Rowand who is signed for cheap to accomplish that (unless they have a great CF waiting in the wings).

Help me out. How does this work for the Chisox?

The White Sox would like to Brian Anderson, who is 23 and cheaper than Rowand, to be their centerfielder moving forward. They think he is ready to play every day. This means that they have to move Rowand. What they want in return depends on other factors. If they lose Konerko, they will probably look to regain that ML production, either with another 1B or by getting a RF and moving Dye to 1B. If they keep Konerko, perhaps they'll want prospects back so they can keep building towards the future. Or, they could want something else on the ML level where they think they need an upgrade. Anderson is the reason, though.

[Stupid Flanders]

I'm in the "depends on what we give up" camp, and also the "confused as to why Chicago would want to move Rowand" camp. There are miles of dense confusing woods that seperate the two camps, so maybe sombody can help me navigate them.

I understand that we would be OK if we signed Giles, and traded Sheff in a three way for Rowand. I would be ecstatic if we were able to somhow deal Wright/Pavano/$ in a three way ending up with Rowand.

Where you guys are losing me in the woods, is in how this works for the WhiteSox. Realisticly (without knowing about their prospects), all they need this off season is to replace Konerko's bat (no small task). Why would they deal a productive player like Rowand who is signed for cheap to accomplish that (unless they have a great CF waiting in the wings).

Help me out. How does this work for the Chisox?

Brian Anderson was ready to play this season. They want to stop blocking him

[SoCal Pinstriper]

the white sox can trade rowand because they have several good prospects playing OF in the minors (i believe their names are brian anderson, ryan sweeney, and chris young) ...same reason they traded jeremy reed (who hit .409 in a AA season) for freddy garcia in '04. i can't recall their names,.

The White Sox would like to Brian Anderson, who is 23 and cheaper than Rowand, to be their centerfielder moving forward. They think he is ready to play every day. This means that they have to move Rowand. What they want in return depends on other factors. If they lose Konerko, they will probably look to regain that ML production, either with another 1B or by getting a RF and moving Dye to 1B. If they keep Konerko, perhaps they'll want prospects back so they can keep building towards the future. Or, they could want something else on the ML level where they think they need an upgrade. Anderson is the reason, though.

Thanks guys, Anderson is the key that I was missing. Seems unlikly that they'll pull the trigger on anything until they know Konerko's fate.

Again, Thanks.

[Mark19]

What it is Christmas in Cincinatti? Chacon, Small, Marte and Perez for Griffey?

Well, in all fairness, it would only be 1 of our pitchers. Frankly I would feel uncomfortable giving away more than Aaron Small, Steven White and a AAA position player.

[ryanthe13th]

So, is this just a "it might happen," "theres a good chance" or a "complete rumor" type of deal

I tried asking the same thing and my request was just lost in a sea of speculation.

[Yankeeah]

I tried asking the same thing and my request was just lost in a sea of speculation.

usually does. I take this as just a rumor that could happen, but has no legs. As previously mentioned, they have to wait and see about Konerko.

[PerfectCone]

edit With his defense, and salary, he's worth Sheffield. I'd do Rowand for Sheffield in a second, only because Sheffield's defense declining could be a huge factor in how he might decline offensively this season. Keep in mind his quick wrists enable him to turn on the inside pitch. Without this bat speed, he's nothing, and with increasing age comes decreasing bat speed. So it doesn't look good for Gary's future.

Dude, what makes you think this? How old is Sheff now, 38? He has the fastest hands in baseball at the plate. What makes you think that skill is going to evaporate overnight? I think everyone is a little too hung up on the issue of age. I'm not saying age is superior, but we need to open our eyes in certain cases and just forget about age. And Yes, Sheffield is one of those cases. That being said, I would trade him for Rowand as well.

[The Q Bomb]

Can someone tell me why The White Sox would trade Rowand? Something just doesn't add up here. In particular, why would they want Cano when they supposedly have this great, young, second baseman (the Japanese guy). They don't need pitching which, oddly enough we now have in surplus. Again, something here doesn't add up.

[MisterNovember]

I could see Wang getting traded to Seattle in a threeway deal, with the Yanks getting Rowand.

I love the hot stove.

[Yankeeah]

Can someone tell me why The White Sox would trade Rowand? Something just doesn't add up here. In particular, why would they want Cano when they supposedly have this great, young, second baseman (the Japanese guy). They don't need pitching which, oddly enough we now have in surplus. Again, something here doesn't add up.

The Anderson kid. He was ready this year, but had no room to play. I dont think that Tadahito is young, but I doubt they ask for Robbie.

[yanksphan]

Can someone tell me why The White Sox would trade Rowand? Something just doesn't add up here. In particular, why would they want Cano when they supposedly have this great, young, second baseman (the Japanese guy). They don't need pitching which, oddly enough we now have in surplus. Again, something here doesn't add up.

Read the whole thread - or actually just back a few posts - and you'll see...

[Davios]

Can someone tell me why The White Sox would trade Rowand? Something just doesn't add up here. In particular, why would they want Cano when they supposedly have this great, young, second baseman (the Japanese guy). They don't need pitching which, oddly enough we now have in surplus. Again, something here doesn't add up.

How many posts have already stated they have young talented outfielders awaiting a call-up.

[StatenIslandYankee]

Q: Why trade Sheffield?

Even after his contract he would make an EXCELLENT DH for us.

[The Q Bomb]

How many posts have already stated they have young talented outfielders awaiting a call-up.

Sorry - I missed them. How old is Rowand?

[Captain Yankee]

Brian Anderson and the White Sox possibly losing Konerko to the Angels could make a Rowand deal where we give up Sheffield a real possibility.

[StatenIslandYankee]

Konerko will stay in Chicago

[terminator]

Brian Anderson and the White Sox possibly losing Konerko to the Angels could make a Rowand deal where we give up Sheffield a real possibility.

It would make sense for the White Sox to get Sheff. They got rid of Thomas and Everett - and their salaries - so I don't think the 13 million owed to Sheff would bother them.
They could re-sign Konerko, have Dye and Sheff share DH and LF responsibilities, and add the big bat they did not have in 2005. Not that it hurt them - but they needed to get better on that end.

Basically, is Sheff+Anderson > Rowand + Everett ? Thats the question.

[ryanthe13th]

Q: Why trade Sheffield?

Even after his contract he would make an EXCELLENT DH for us.

Exactly. I don't know why people are so hung up on getting rid of Gary Sheffield. This guy openly complained about playing for any other team than the Yankees. Why get rid of him?

[nyctalopia]

Can someone tell me why The White Sox would trade Rowand? Something just doesn't add up here. In particular, why would they want Cano when they supposedly have this great, young, second baseman (the Japanese guy). They don't need pitching which, oddly enough we now have in surplus. Again, something here doesn't add up.

1) read the thread before you ask questions that have already been answered.
2) why is it that people just REFUSE to spend the time finding out names of foreign players. it's always "that Japanese guy," or "that Korean pitcher," or that "Dominican outfielder." Stop being so damn lazy.

[Tifoso]

Exactly. I don't know why people are so hung up on getting rid of Gary Sheffield. This guy openly complained about playing for any other team than the Yankees. Why get rid of him?

Agreed.

[Beast Master]

if we move wang or chacon does anyone see burnett as a possibility? Without picking up a free agent pitcher, I don't see us having the starters to send wang anywhere. Realistically, the chances that wright pitches all next year are very small, and there is almost garunteed to be another injury in our geriatric rotation.

We'd have rotation of

RJ
Moose
Pavano
Burnett
wang/chacon (whoever doesn't get sent away)

Wright in the pen
Small as long guy,

which I could live with. This wang for rowand thing seems to make sense, and I think you have to do it if you can, but I'm going to be sorry to see him go. I thought he would have made a hell of a relief pitcher.