I would like to see the Yanks make a run at a couple of these names:
BJ Ryan (probably would have to over pay and looking to close)
Billy Wagner (again, probably looking to close)
Octavio Dotel
Kyle Farnsworth
Ricardo Rincon (need a consistent lefty in the pen)
Shigetosi Hasegawa (has to be better than Quantrill)
as for starters...Millwood had a good year last year and I think AJ Burnett is on everyone's list...but I would like to stay away from these NL guys who don't have to fact the DH.
I would be shocked if we looked at a starting pitcher unless we trade Pavano. Right now, not even including Small, we have six starters. I don't think Wagner would come in either event but I think Ryan is a possibility. Dotel may be interested, but he may want a role where he enters as the primary set-up man with a chance to close (on a team with a closer that isn't a lock).
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I don't think the Yankees need starting pitching. Small will work in long relief, and any two from Farnsworth, Ryan, Gordon, or Wagner would be more than enough. We'll probably resign Sturtze, and after resting in the off-season, we could potentially have a lights out bullpen from the 7th inning on. The Yankees are also reportedly interested in Sauerbeck, and rightfully so--he would be a great LOOGY addition (his numbers aren't impressive, but that's because the Indians used him against righties...)
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Ryan is a must, as far as Dotel goes I would really like to see him offered a Lieber type deal as many members of this forum have discussed already, I also would like to see Farnsworth on this team even though he has had problems with in consistancy.
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Unlees we make trades involving our starters for OF, I don't see the Yankees chasing SP.
They'll probably have meetings with Millwood and Burnett to try to drive their prices up, but that will probably be it.
In the other hand, we need to rebuilt a pen (IIRC, from last year on the opening roster we lost Karsay, F-Rod, Stanton, Q and proabably Gordon) and giving that we don't have MLB ready talent on the majors (maybe Cox or Henn) expect at least 3-4 new arms for 2006.
Other than B.J. Ryan, who should be priority number one, I think the Yankees should wait to see how the arbitration offers pan out, who requires draft pick compensation, etc.
I think Cashman has to try as much as possible to recreate the bullpen structure where Rivera closed, Stanton/Nelson were his lefty/righty workhorses and Mendoza pitched an inning or so earlier as needed. This is the only way Torre knows how to manage so give him what it takes.
Ryan/Farnsworth would be a nice combo with more k's than Stanton/Nelson and Sturtze could settle in to the longer outing/fewer appearances role, keeping him fresher.
The key for the bullpen is that every member is someone Torre will use. Guys like Proctor, Franklin, FRod gather dust until its too late and then get used everyday, making things worse. If Aaron Small is around he'll be a guy Torre feels compelled to use, which will help space out the innings.
Agreed, unless starters get traded, the Yankees lack the roster flexibility go start signing big name starters. Once they pick up a RH setup guy and a LH setup guy, they have 11 pitchers on the ML roster (Johnson, Mussina, Pavano, Wright, Chacon, Wang, Small, Rivera, RH Setup, LH Setup, Sturtze). That doesn't leave room for giving a limited role to Dotel and seeing how he feels. It doesn't leave room for signing a big name starter. Now, that might not be the ideal 11 pitchers, but they are the ones the Yankees have under contract and there isn't much that can be done about it unless you start trading them or releasing them (well, I guess you could send Wang to AAA).
BJ Ryan is atleast one of two missing puzzle pieces and the key to the success or lack thereof of the Yankees off season i'd say.
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This whole offseason centers around getting BJ Ryan. His ability to help this team cannot be matched by any other free agent. I would like Farnsworth as well, and re-signing Sturtze would be good.
No starters are needed, or wanted. The options do not seem appealing, and we already have 7 starters under our control. No need for another. BJ Ryan must be had for this team to really be a monstrous threat in the late innings.
While I agree that getting a starter comes behind the CF and bullpen needs, I am not as optimistic as most people, including Cashman and Torre; that starting pitching is "all set". I saw so little out of Pavano and Wright this year that its absurd to think they are going to help us next year, in my opinion Aaron Small overachieved all season, Moose, Randy, and Wang are all injury risks (especially Moose and Randy), and Chacon is a wild card as well. Yes, we have a handful of good starting arms, we hardly have a dependable starting core of pitchers that can be trusted from April to October. On a better note, I just realized its November and April is not that far off.
You can't really add starters without subtracting - how do you get starters that are more dependable? I think pitching is so unpredictable that making any moves now is likely to be counterproductive. If anything all the new faces from last year will benefit from a year in NY. Acclimating another crop of guys that might or might not be better just creates more uncertainty.
I don't think we'll see all 3, but I agree with your idea of Ryan and the "Lieber" deal for Dotel. He was great as a set up guy in Houston so maybe closing isn't for him. If all worked out well long term Ryan could succeed Mo and Dotel become the 8th inning guy.
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It is undertsood that the guys the Yankees have have question marks. The problem is, the only way you can really address those question marks without trading or releasing the players currently on the roster (or sending Wang down) is by acquiring AAA depth. AAA depth is great to have, but it's not like you're going to sign a potential Cy Young winner to sit in AAA for a split contract.
In other words, sure, Jaret Wright is a question mark, but he's a question mark with a major league contract. It is very difficult to attract a quality free agent pitcher without having an open spot on the ML roster.
Bullpen. Bullpen. Bullpen.
Our starting pitching is fine imo although I wouldn't mind if we traded Pavano for a CF and replaced him with Washburn. I always did like 2 LHP in the starting rotation. Anyway, Ryan is a must get. A viable 7th inning guy is a must as well. Farnsworth (expensive), Looper, Tavares, Hasegawa, Dotel are some of the guys who could possibly do a solid job for the Yankees. Sturze would be solid for the 6th inning and long relief. As for Gordon, unless he is overpaid I don't see him taking a back burner to Ryan so if we get Ryan, he is gone.
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Again, if the Yankees already have 9 pitchers and you sign Dotel in addition to 2 other relievers, who gets bumped? Does someone get traded? Does Wang get sent down? Does Sturtze not get his option picked up (don't they have to make a decision that fairly soon)? Do you make the mistake of carrying 12 pitchers again and having guys rot on the end of the dugout bench? And if you don't do those things, why would Dotel bother to sign with the Yankees when he isn't gaurenteed a spot?
Wang is their best starter. He's not going anywhere.
I wouldn't pick up Sturtze's option.
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Serious question: who do you replace him with as "innings-eater", then?
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Small and Wright, I assume
The pitching staff then becomes:
Chacon
Johnson
Mussina
Pavano
Wang
Wright
Small
Rivera
RH Setup
LH Setup
Dotel
Going back to my original point, you still can't sign any starters beyond AAA depth without moving players you have on the 25 man roster off.
Sturtze?
If he isn't traded, Small could fill that role.
My preference is to make cluster signings and promotions from the minor leagues. So I would want Farnsworth and Ryan (and perhaps an incentive laden deal to Dotel), and then promote Smith, Anderson, Bean, and Schmidt if he comes along as quickly as I suspect he can. Then pen would be very deep.
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Makes sense. Your starting rotation is dead on....with Wright or Small to move up in the case of injury.
Someone got Dotel's #'s, please?
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Agreed.
This staff has the potential to be an embarrassment of riches, I think.--maybe so loaded that we can trade for a LFer, and not really "feel" it.
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BJ Ryan -- Obviously the Yankees need a setup man, Ryan is my first choice
Billy Wagner -- The other choice for the setup man
Octavio Dotel -- Coming off big-time surgery, no thanks
Kyle Farnsworth -- Ugh. See other thread
Ricardo Rincon -- Totally agree. Yankees should have two lefties in the pen, one as the setup man, Rincon as the specialist
Shigetosi Hasegawa -- Had one great year, not much other than that. Pass
The Yankees already have too many starters -- six, even seven if you count Small. In order to pick someone up, they'd have to trade at least one guy on the current roster; I don't know who the odd man out is, and there's really no FA really worth having.
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Depending on which teams sign which players there are a lot of different scenarios but I'd like the Yankees to let Gordon sign elsewhere and take the picks. Even if they sign a free agent reliever to replace him they would still get an extra sandwich pick (and could move up in the round like with Lieber last year).
Also, signing guys like B.J. Ryan and possibly Farnsworth make more sense than Gordon right now because they'll still be young enough at the end of their deals to be good enough to get another deal, increasing the odds of draft picks.
Yankee free agents at the end of their contracts tend to be so old and expensive (Bernie, Kevin Brown, Mussina next year) that they can never recoup the picks lost when they signed them (like Boston will do this year with Damon).
Millwood was in Cleveland.
I agree w/ everything except the part about Farnsworth.
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Burnett offered 5/50 million by the Blue Jays. Muliple teams in the mix.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...rry&id=2227230
He'll probably end up make 11-12mil per year for 5 years. But Toronto seems to want it done ... that's a heck of a first offer.
what about Ray King?
He was solid lefty specialist....better than Ron Villone
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Anyone think of Julian Tavarez from STL? Sure he's a little weird looking and his numbers won't blow you away, but at least when I've watched him in the playoffs the past couple years he's seemed to do a pretty good job. If he's cheap he might not be a bad option for middle relief.
So much for Ryan...
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But Ray King made some problems w/ LaRussa
Cardinals may trade him.
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I've been clamoring for him since the off-season. He would be a nice addition, along witn Rincon. Promote Smith and you are done.
Small, Sturtze, Smith, Rincon, Taveras, Mo.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5116520The Phillies have emerged as the most aggressive suitor for free-agent reliever Tom Gordon, viewing him as a potential closer if Billy Wagner departs or as a setup man if Wagner returns, FOXSports.com has learned.
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If the Phllies we're to sign Gordon, the Yankees would get the twenty-first pick in the 2006 draft along with a supplemental pick....
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21st is too low. calling any teams who are ahead of the phillies(16 down) in the drafting order, pls signed gordon.
If a team with a pick higher than 16 signs him, I believe we get their 2nd round pick instead.
I want someone like the Phillies to grab Gordon, because then we're guaranteed a first rounder. We can sign whoever we want quite safely.
I agree. 21 is high enough, plus we get a supplemental pick. That works for me.
the yanks will still get a very good prospect at 21. there'll probably be a very good boras client that should go higher, but his monetary demands drop him into the yanks lap
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I know that is why I said 16. The teams who picks 1 to 15 keeps their draft picks.
There will still be a good prospect at #21. Especially if Boras has a couple of kids this year.
No. Please. No.
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Why not?
Normally with boras client, you have to have an idea on what he wants before even considering his clients. That is my problem with boras client. I would rather have a guaranteed higher picks than a lower picks and negotiate with boras.
First, he's a groundball pitcher who benefited HUGE from what may have been the best defensive IF in the NL last couple of seasons.
His career WHIP is 1.47. He's had two good seasons (2004, 1995) and other than that has been mediocre or bad.
He's supposedly a bad clubhouse guy and has been suspended for doctoring balls.
He would most likely be expensive as well.
No thanks.
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A lot of times, the Boras client falls ONLY because of Boras. Pretty much every year, there's one Boras client who drops 10-15 spots just because of the agent. That talent is hard to turn down, unless there is a comparable player left on the board that will be easier to negotiate with.
basically the same reason why I would like other teams ahead of the phillies in the picking order but not in the first 15 to signed gordon.
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