The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)

[35Knucklecurve]

Fear Not! junior shan't be gone for long. He does this every time that Sax beats the crap out of him.

Yet again junior, the O's have a fantastic stadium in a fantastic part of Baltimore.
Unless you ARE Peter Angelos (which wouldn't surprise me at this point), you should, as one of the fifteen or sixteen Orioles fans left, be really mad at what happened to this once proud franchise.

I feel really bad for Brooks. I met him when I was just a youngster, and he was a very proud member of the Oriole Family.
Unfortunately for Brooks, that Family is now just a disjointed, dysfunctional heaping mound of angelo................. So sad.

I think until very recently, Brooks wanted nothing to do with the Os' and who can blame him? They had scheduled a Brooks Robinson Day a few years ago and if I recall correctly, it was cancelled because he declined to attend.

Like the Yankees, the O's have a past that includes some pretty impressive players, who could offer invaluable insight, mentoring and coaching. There are some who have stated they don't think they're suited for coaching or managing (Palmer, for instance, declined the offer to be a pitching coach), but I can't help but think that others are just plain fed up with the way Angelos has ruined a franchise which used be a model for others.

[NelsonMuntz]

Grow up. I've not lied one time on the forum. In point of fact I pride myself on honesty. Also I post what I believe. Perhaps you are ignorant of what a "troll" is.

If you have something to say that's on the Orioles that's worth worth posting , then say it. Otherwise, I'd suggest that you stay off the forum. Name calling and pejorative accusations have no place in a forum, but perhaps that is all you have to offer.

Let's see, you post almost exclusively on this forum for two reasons:
1) To marginalize the Yankees accomplishments by insinuating that the only reason the Yankees win is because of their payroll
2) To gloat 3 or 4 times a year when the Orioles actually manage to beat the Yankees

So essentially your purpose here is to agitate the majority of the people who utilize this forum. Guess what -- that's a troll.

You say that you pride yourself on honesty yet you constantly post conjecture, misinformation, and half truths and try to pass it off as fact. Then when someone calls you out on it and illustrates with cold hard data that you are simply wrong, you disappear, try to change the argument to suit your opinion or play the victim card with the "high school debate trick" line. When the newest argument is refuted with facts, you eventually circle back to the original argument a few weeks later and the cycle repeats.

Perhaps "liar" is too harsh of a word but at best you are very disingenuous. You would gain a shred of credibility if you at least acknowledged when you are wrong every now and then.

[35Knucklecurve]

If someone has already posted a link to this, I apologize. It's what Earl Weaver (former O's manager who got more than his money's worth out of being ejected) would sound like on autotune....and it is *******hysterical.

If you're at work, you may want to keep the volume down. Parts of it are a little difficult to understand, but you will get the idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85t_g...os=GoaXL_srCgI

[mhmajp]

Interesting. I should have specified "small payroll" instead of "small market size", as they are not equivalent. There are other factors besides market size which would affect a team's ability to have a high payroll.

But the competitive problem still exists for the smaller payroll teams, in comparison to the high payroll teams, as a general rule. There is still a positive correlation between regular season winning percentage, and team payroll, in MLB.

I don't understand the point as it relates to the Orioles, though. The Orioles may sometimes be a small payroll team, but they are certainly not a small market team. There are no factors outside of ownership's willingness to spend that affect the O's ability to have a high payroll.

[hellonewman]

I've got August 3 in the "when does bobby come back?" pool.

[Rice14]

I've got August 3 in the "when does bobby come back?" pool.

I'll take the under.

[hellonewman]

O's vs. Original Mets, special bobby I know you're still lurking edition:

1964 Mets 53-109, .327
1963 Mets 51-111, .314
2010 O's, 31-69, .310
1965 Mets 50-112, .308
1962 Mets 40-120, .250

[Jax Teller]

There are now 17 hitters in MLB with higher batting averages than the O's winning percentage.

Two hitters are tied with the O's winning percentage.

[ny]

Even though the o's have a 20mm advantage in payroll over the jays somehow they're on the verge of being swept by them for the 4th time this season. 0-11 and have been outscored 65-23

[GoTerpsGo]

As of today the 0rioles are 20.5 games out of FOURTH place. Congratulations!!!

[ny]

As of today the 0rioles are 20.5 games out of FOURTH place. Congratulations!!!

Funny how Bobby is always complaining about competing with yanks and sox when his team can't even compete with the jays and rays. The o's have a losing record for 13 straight years meanwhile the jays are on pace for their 8th winning record over the past 13 and the rays are going for their third straight season with a winning record.

[35Knucklecurve]

When is the earliest a team has ever been mathematically eliminated from post season play?

[Mr. Mxylsplk]

When is the earliest a team has ever been mathematically eliminated from post season play?

The 62 Mets were eliminated on August 8th, and the 1932 Red Sox were eliminated on August 9th. Those are the earliest I can find, though the 1899 Cleveland Spiders must have been even sooner.

[cupcollector99]

When is the earliest a team has ever been mathematically eliminated from post season play?

Here's a prediction. The Orioles are eliminated from the playoffs for this and next season. They're the only team that is 10 games out on opening day.

[ny]

0-12 vs Toronto

23-70 runs scored

$18,923,142 Orioles advantage in payroll

From Orioles hangout

And that's a new low in the 13 year losing streak

At 39 games under .500, the Orioles are further under .500 than they have been at any time during the 13 year losing stretch.

Only in 3 years in team history before this year, were the Orioles more than 38 games below .500:

1954 (inaugural year in Baltimore): O's were 49 games under at one point and finished 46 games under .500

1955: O's were 50 games under .500 at one point and finished 40 games under .500

1988 (the infamous 0-21 start year): O's finished 53 games below .500, the all time franchise low.
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[NelsonMuntz]

Good thing they fired Trembley. Clearly he was the problem.

[hellonewman]

O's vs. Original Mets:

1964 Mets 53-109, .327
1963 Mets 51-111, .314
1965 Mets 50-112, .308
2010 O's, 31-70, .307
1962 Mets 40-120, .250

Glub, glub ... going down

[Ram Man]

O's vs. Original Mets:

1964 Mets 53-109, .327
1963 Mets 51-111, .314
1965 Mets 50-112, .308
2010 O's, 31-70, .307
1962 Mets 40-120, .250

It might be tough for the O's to catch the '62s but it looks like they are giving it the old college try.

[ny]

Major League Baseball announced today that the Baltimore Orioles have agreed to an assignment to the AA Eastern League for the remainder of the 2010 season.

“We felt it was time to give one of our younger teams a chance,” Selig said. “The Baysox have shown a lot of promise in the Eastern League this season and we feel at this time they could compete as well, if not better than the Orioles when it comes to playing real Major League teams like the Tampa Bay Rays, the New York Yankees, and the Boston Red Sox.

"Sure they will be overmatched, but frankly so was Baltimore, and this can be a great learning experience for them.”

Selig went on to predict that the move could also work out well for the Orioles, who will get to spend some time playing in a league more suited to their abilities and where they will actually have a legitimate shot to compete for a division championship.

“They have a real chance of a winning record in the Eastern League,” Selig said. “Granted they won’t be the favorites, not against teams like the Trenton Thunder and the New Hampshire Fisher Cats. But if they put in the work and prove they are capable of playing professional baseball at a high level again, then we will be more than happy to welcome them back to the American League East.”

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...r-leaguesatire

[kan_t]

Bobby Jr has gone (although he will come back). I think people here can finally discuss about the O's, instead of playing jokes now.

[hellonewman]

There's not much to discuss without the jokes.

[The FUTURE]

The Orioles suck. the end.

[Rice14]

Bobby Jr has gone (although he will come back). I think people here can finally discuss about the O's, instead of playing jokes now.

In that spirit...it will be interesting to see what happens with the Orioles. Angelos was smart to step back a bit and let MacPhail try to build a team the right way. MacPhail seemed to slowly be building something but this year has been such a disaster, you wonder if Angelos will be back to his old ways.

All those over the hill veterans looking for one more medium size payday certainly hope the old Angelos returns.

[kan_t]

There's not much to discuss without the jokes.

They do have some good prospects. And I still wonder what happans to Wieters. I'm always afraid that Montero will hit like him in the major.

[ny]

And I still wonder what happans to Wieters.

From what I've read the skys the limit

Speaking of young talent The Orioles Wieters made the cover of Sports Illustrated this spring ("The Perfect Catch") and he is the best young catcher in MLB, despite his slow start this year. I looked up several Hall of Fame catchers (Bench, Carter) and they had off years early in their careers. The way Wieters played this year is not typical of what he is going to do.

The Orioles have a pretty good young player too named Matt Wieters. He jsut had his debut last year.

I have a feeling that in a few years he will be better known nationally than that fellow starting down in DC tonight. Matt is off to a slow start this year but I expect him to pick up in the 2nd half of the season. He has excelled at every level of competition.

[Dexter Morgan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5420224

Source: Orioles hire Showalter

By Tim Kurkjian
ESPN The Magazine

The Baltimore Orioles have hired ESPN analyst Buck Showalter as their next manager, a source confirmed Thursday.

Showalter's first game as manager will be Tuesday against the Los Angeles Angels, the first game of a seven-game homestand.

The Orioles, a major league-worst 31-70, fired manager Dave Trembley on June 4 and replaced him with Juan Samuel on an interim basis.

Former Indians manager Eric Wedge, former Texas Rangers and New York Mets manager Bobby Valentine, former Orioles catcher Rick Dempsey and Samuel interviewed for the job.

Showalter, 54, is 882-833 as a major league manager. He was named Manager of the Year twice, in 1994 with the Yankees and in 2004 with the Rangers. He helped rebuild the Yankees into a power after a down period and he was the primary builder of the fledgling Arizona Diamondbacks in 1997; that team won the World Series with Bob Brenly at the helm in 2001, a year after he was fired.

In 2004, he led the Rangers to 89 wins, 19 more than when he took over two years earlier.

Showalter will have work to do in Baltimore, which hasn't fielded a winner since 1997 -- the team's last playoff appearance -- and faces the daunting prospect of rebuilding while competing with the deep-pocketed Yankees and Boston Red Sox in the AL East. The Orioles are a major-league worst 18-33 at home.

[BonusCantos]

Poor Buck.

[Jax Teller]

22 ML hitters with higher BA's than Baltimore's winning percentage now. This is fun.

[ny]

He'll never finish his contract and will fail like every other manager angelos has brought in.

[hardrain]

Well, they picked a damn good manager, but until Angelos goes, it's just another sad chapter....

Just for fun, read the very first post in this thread. Back in 2005, bobby was filled with hope for the future....what Angelos has done to this once-proud franchise is criminal.

[NYYDragoon]

Tejada headed to the Pads:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/0...scratched.html

[kan_t]

From what I've read the skys the limit

Ignore bobby jr. Just imagine Wieters was drafted by the Yankees. Looked up his stats in the minor/college and his scouting report before he entered the major. You may actually agree that statement.

[hellonewman]

what Angelos has done to this once-proud franchise is criminal.

But oh so wonderful.

[hellonewman]

O's vs. Original Mets, "Laughingstock no more!!!" edition:

1964 Mets 53-109, .327
1963 Mets 51-111, .315
2010 O's, 32-70, .314
1965 Mets 50-112, .309
1962 Mets 40-120, .250

(I have revised winning % of 1963's and 1965's to correct a previous rounding error.)

[#1PaFan]

The O's are now more games out of first (33 1/2) than they have wins (32).

[Ram Man]

The O's pulled one out of the fire against the Royals. Just when it looked like they might put together a two game winning streak, a two-out, ninth inning, three run HR by a .183 hitter (Alex Gordon) sent the O's to loss no. 71, by a score of 7-5.

[cupcollector99]

The O's pulled one out of the fire against the Royals. Just when it looked like they might put together a two game winning streak, a two-out, ninth inning, three run HR by a .183 hitter (Alex Gordon) sent the O's to loss no. 71, by a score of 7-5.

They'll have to settle for the one game winning streaks..

[YankeePride1967]

Evidently, Peter Angelos, reaching back on years of his incomptence, vetoed attempts to trade Luke Scott and Ty Wigginton because they were in-division (Scott to TB and the Yanks were after Wigginton). Yeah Bobby, your owner interfering and his incompetence has nothing to do with why the Orioles are now the laughing stock of the league.

[Yankees Empire]

Evidently, Peter Angelos, reaching back on years of his incomptence, vetoed attempts to trade Luke Scott and Ty Wigginton because they were in-division (Scott to TB and the Yanks were after Wigginton). Yeah Bobby, your owner interfering and his incompetence has nothing to do with why the Orioles are now the laughing stock of the league.

No worries. bobbyjr will be back soon enough to completely ignore your comment. Since he's very likely lurking, I guess I should say "Hello, bobbyjr!"

[cupcollector99]

Evidently, Peter Angelos, reaching back on years of his incomptence, vetoed attempts to trade Luke Scott and Ty Wigginton because they were in-division (Scott to TB and the Yanks were after Wigginton). Yeah Bobby, your owner interfering and his incompetence has nothing to do with why the Orioles are now the laughing stock of the league.

If this seriously happened, then the rumors of him ceding control to baseball people are just that. Anyone with any sense knows that a team that's 33 games out and closing in on one of the worst records in the history of the game needs to clean house. By avoiding one of the most active trading periods to stock the farm with cheap, young talent while dumping salary and dead weight, they show why they'll be a laughing stock for some time. I'll be surprised if Buck lasts through the next all-star break.

[Ram Man]

O's gakked up a lead to the Royals again. Now 40 games under .500.

[BonusCantos]

On pace to lose 112. They'd be only the 3rd team since the strike to lose 110+.

[CanoForPresident]

I actually thought they were going to be kind of good this year.

Ok not kind of good, just not this bad.

[ny]

We did like the Orioles' Will Ohman-for-Rick VandenHurk deal. We'll get that out of the way fast. But how could a team that's on pace to finish 30 games out of next-to-last hang onto so much dead weight? Kevin Millwood destroyed all his value. And Jeremy Guthrie didn't help market himself, either. But how Ty Wigginton and Luke Scott could still be working there, we have no idea. "Everyone wanted Ty Wigginton," grumbled an official of one club. "I know they could have moved Luke Scott. And I think they could have moved Guthrie in a bad pitching market. They might be the biggest losers of all."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...son&id=5426919

Biggest laughingstock in baseball

[Jersey Yankee]

They'll have to settle for the one game winning streaks..

Three times every other week would work well for me.

[YankeePride1967]

and the Pirates are pulling away for the 29th best record in the game!

[Jersey Yankee]

and the Pirates are pulling away for the 29th best record in the game!

If they went 1-for-9 in the next 10 games, they'd still have a better record than do the Birds, who'd likely go 2-for-8.

[Ram Man]

"Everyone wanted Ty Wigginton,"

"But my baseball people love Ty Wigginton's bat. They kept saying 'Ty Wigginton, Ty Wigginton."

[ny]

"But my baseball people love Ty Wigginton's bat. They kept saying 'Ty Wigginton, Ty Wigginton."

The only reason you can think for not trading him is with buck starting Tuesday maybe angelos thinks the o's can go on a run.

[cupcollector99]

We did like the Orioles' Will Ohman-for-Rick VandenHurk deal. We'll get that out of the way fast. But how could a team that's on pace to finish 30 games out of next-to-last hang onto so much dead weight? Kevin Millwood destroyed all his value. And Jeremy Guthrie didn't help market himself, either. But how Ty Wigginton and Luke Scott could still be working there, we have no idea. "Everyone wanted Ty Wigginton," grumbled an official of one club. "I know they could have moved Luke Scott. And I think they could have moved Guthrie in a bad pitching market. They might be the biggest losers of all."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...son&id=5426919

Biggest laughingstock in baseball

I don't remember where/when, but I do remember St Pete making a decision to hold onto "home grown talent".. It might have been a few years ago with Roberts but I'm not sure.
So if you get drafted by Baltimore, hone your talent, build up your skills in the minors you'll get stuck being underpaid on a club with no chance of winning and ownership that has no idea or desire to produce a winner. Then you'll get called a traitor when you decide you want to cash-in on your hard-work for the few good years you have left.

I feel bad for the guys like Roberts, Markakis and Jones and that Weiters kid.