Week One Discussion

[Soriambi]

We have these in the other league, so I figured I'd start one here. Basically, this is to post any information and trash-talking about Week One you see fit.

I'll start:

UNDERRATE THIS:

[FormerlyKnownAsMHHL]

If Young keeps up that pace he'll have 486 at the end of the year. That's not too bad.

[Snatch Catch]

We have these in the other league, so I figured I'd start one here. Basically, this is to post any information and trash-talking about Week One you see fit.

I'll start:

UNDERRATE THIS:

All in support of my young stud.

[boo_427]

So, who Started the Fat man yesterday? Not sure if you era will recover by the AllStar break.

[yanksphan]

Adam Dunn today:

2-4, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 2 R

best part?

$23

[Snatch Catch]

Orlando Hudson: 2 Run Dinger!

Holliday: 2 for 2

[Snatch Catch]

Orlando Hudson: 2 Run Dinger!

Holliday: 2 for 2

>ahem!< 3 for 3...

[yanksphan]

Javy Vazquez

1.2IP
10 H
7 ER
37.80 ERA

Glad he got those mechanics worked out!

EDITED...uh yeah.

[Snatch Catch]

Javy Lopez

1.2IP
10 H
7 ER
37.80 ERA

Glad he got those mechanics worked out!

Was he catching himself?

That would be SWEET.

[yanksphan]

Was he catching himself?

That would be SWEET.

Nice catch, snatch catch.

I'd trust Lopez over Vazquez at this point on the mound!!

[NYDCYankee]

I started wells....and I am telling you he is on a short leash

[Soriambi]

Adam Dunn today:

2-4, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 2 R

best part?

$23

That's nice and all, but I forgot to post Young's line.

4-4, 3 HR, 5 RBI, 3 or 4 runs (don't know)

$5

[yanksphan]

That's nice and all, but I forgot to post Young's line.

4-4, 3 HR, 5 RBI, 3 or 4 runs (don't know)

$5

Best $5 of the season right there.

[Soriambi]

Best $5 of the season right there.

He's already earned his $5.

[NYDCYankee]

My teams looks to be burning up the basepaths....

helton and r hernandez each nabbed a base

[Hitman23]

In place of the injured Kris Benson the Empire has signed Paul Byrd.

2 starters on the DL. Way to start the season! woo-hoo!

[Big_E]

In place of the injured Kris Benson the Empire has signed Paul Byrd.

2 starters on the DL. Way to start the season! woo-hoo!

Don't feel so bad...The commish has Berkman, Bonds and Gagne on the DL. Not to mention he had to release Rick Ankiel too.

[boo_427]

Questions

1) Why are teams allowed to claim FA on the DL then add them on their roster and put them on the DL.

I don't think this is fair. Owners are allowed to add extra players without penalty of losing an active player, then the assign to the DL, so they can wait until they come off the DL and either activate them or release them. I think this is BS.

2) Where in the Constitution does it say I can't demote someone I drafted who was not on the active roster for opening day, but assigned to AAA? Very similar to the McPherson situation.

I read where it said ineligible players must be made public before the season starts, but hell haven't had home internet for 5 days and wasn't aware of this year.

[Big_E]

Questions

1) Why are teams allowed to claim FA on the DL then add them on their roster and put them on the DL.

I don't think this is fair. Owners are allowed to add extra players without penalty of losing an active player, then the assign to the DL, so they can wait until they come off the DL and either activate them or release them. I think this is BS.

Yeah, this is a quirk in the Sportsline system. In Yahoo, you have to drop a player to add one if your roster is full -- even if he's on the DL. Sportsline allows you to have illegal rosters, so you can add players and immediately DL them.

Fair? Maybe not. But with no bench, you know the team will have to make a roster decision in the next couple of weeks when the player comes off the DL.

I still want to know where in the constitution it says we can't add minor leaguers to our Minors roster if someone is promoted, traded or released. (Because if it doesn't we should be allowed to...in the other league we always say, you can't make rules once the season starts that affects that season...)

[Hitman23]

If someone is going to drop an injured player, he is free for anyone to take and stick on the DL.

Besides, there's always someone on your team that you can drop and replace with a comparable player. So even if this hole would be plugged, there are ways around it. Take a look at the bottom of your roster, there's probably 20 guys in the FA pool as valuable as your worst guy.

[Big_E]

2) Where in the Constitution does it say I can't demote someone I drafted who was not on the active roster for opening day, but assigned to AAA? Very similar to the McPherson situation.

13.9. Once a player is activated, waived or reserved from the minor league roster, he cannot be put back on the minor league roster. The only way a player can return to a minor league roster is if he is drafted in a subsequent season's minor league draft.

This is interpreted by the commish that even if someone is on your active roster in ST, he cannot be put on your minor league roster if that player is demoted prior to Opening Day.

Many of us feel that ST rosters shouldn't count, but in this case, for this season, the commish is our USSC and interprets the rules...

[Hitman23]

If I have to keep Navarro active in my lineup everyone else has to deal with someone they are waiting for.

[boo_427]

My issue is that I drafted a minor leaguer. Now, Snatch says that I can't demote him to the minors and pick up an active major leaguer.

I don't think this is fair that I have to drop Edwin Jackson even though no one else can claim him, because he was demoted. I think we should be allowed to send a player drafted in the auction that didn't make the opening day roster.

From the "Constitution"

12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.

13.9. Once a player is activated, waived or reserved from the minor league roster, he cannot be put back on the minor league roster. The only way a player can return to a minor league roster is if he is drafted in a subsequent season's minor league draft.


Very contradicting!!!

[boo_427]

Many of us feel that ST rosters shouldn't count, but in this case, for this season, the commish is our USSC and interprets the rules...

I agree, I think we should get a consensus, because that is complete BS.

There is some contradiction and one person should not be interpreting rules on a league in its infancy!

[Big_E]

My issue is that I drafted a minor leaguer. Now, Snatch says that I can't demote him to the minors and pick up an active major leaguer.

I don't think this is fair that I have to drop Edwin Jackson even though no one else can claim him, because he was demoted. I think we should be allowed to send a player drafted in the auction that didn't make the opening day roster.

From the "Constitution"

12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.

13.9. Once a player is activated, waived or reserved from the minor league roster, he cannot be put back on the minor league roster. The only way a player can return to a minor league roster is if he is drafted in a subsequent season's minor league draft.


Very contradicting!!!

Well, that's not contradicting. It says you can REPLACE them. Doesn't say you can demote them...You can keep Jackson on your roster (active) or release him.

However, the constitution also mentioned a reserve list, which doesn't exist...

[boo_427]

Well, that's not contradicting. It says you can REPLACE them. Doesn't say you can demote them...You can keep Jackson on your roster (active) or release him.

However, the constitution also mentioned a reserve list, which doesn't exist...

Ammendment time?

[Hitman23]

Ammendment time?

I don't think we can break down Mr Stalin.

Maybe it's something we can discuss in the off season?

[boo_427]

I don't think we can break down Mr Stalin.

Maybe it's something we can discuss in the off season?

Yes, but this something that is currently affecting two teams. There needs to be a league consensus on this.

[Hitman23]

Yes, but this something that is currently affecting two teams. There needs to be a league consensus on this.

I'm affected too. But the rules were explained already. I wish what you want would come true, but we've done this at least twice already.

[Big_E]

Yes, but this something that is currently affecting two teams. There needs to be a league consensus on this.

I'm in agreement that it should be changed. However, I don't think we should make changes during a current season. Any changes we make, should affect 2006 and beyond.

[Snatch Catch]

If you paid for someone in the auction, they can never again be part of your 4 minor league roster slots.

Edwin Jackson never made the team. Therefore, he cannot be "demoted". He was optioned to the minor leagues after spring training. Spring training is a neutral point. Edwin Jackson starts the year in AAA (I think); this is the point from which everything else is gauged.

If he gets called up, he is promoted. If he then gets sent back to the minors, he is demoted, but right now, he is in the minor leagues. He was not on the 25 man roster. He has not had major league standing this year, and thus could not have been "demoted". This makes him ineligible to be put on reserve.

[Big_E]

....This makes him ineligible to be put on reserve.

Ugh...there's that word again. We don't have a reserve list!

[Snatch Catch]

I'm in agreement that it should be changed. However, I don't think we should make changes during a current season. Any changes we make, should affect 2006 and beyond.

There is no way you should be able to buy a guy who doesn't make the Major League 25 man, and then reserve him as soon as the season begins.

What is the point of a minor league draft if that is the case? I would just take guys like Delmon Young and Felix Hernandez at the end of the draft for $1 or $2 and reserve them for years.

It is basically like having a bench.

[Snatch Catch]

Ugh...there's that word again. We don't have a reserve list!

We do! We just don't use the reserve function on Sportsline!

[Big_E]

We do! We just don't use the reserve function on Sportsline!

No...we have minors. We have no way to protect players who are sent to the minors who are not minor league eligible, or who are suspended or released. That's not the same as a reserve list, as defined in the constitution.

[Snatch Catch]

No...we have minors. We have no way to protect players who are sent to the minors who are not minor league eligible, or who are suspended or released. That's not the same as a reserve list, as defined in the constitution.

Yes we do- I told you yesterday that I would just expand the "minors" capabilities to 5 if someone had someone who was released or demoted that they wanted to keep.

Suspended players NEVER were eligible for the reserve list.

[ruthianblast]

Yes we do- I told you yesterday that I would just expand the "minors" capabilities to 5 if someone had someone who was released or demoted that they wanted to keep.

Suspended players NEVER were eligible for the reserve list.

So for instance, BJ Upton got optioned to AAA, does that mean I can put him in a 5th minors category OR do I drop a minor leaguer and use that spot for him?

[Big_E]

Yes we do- I told you yesterday that I would just expand the "minors" capabilities to 5 if someone had someone who was released or demoted that they wanted to keep.

Suspended players NEVER were eligible for the reserve list.

XII. THE RESERVE LIST

12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.


So then McPherson et al should be allowed to be placed on a reserve list! Why not just activate RESERVE, to differentiate between people on reserve and in the minors?

[Snatch Catch]

XII. THE RESERVE LIST

12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.


So then McPherson et al should be allowed to be placed on a reserve list! Why not just activate RESERVE, to differentiate between people on reserve and in the minors?

The reason is that having the "reserve" function active on Sportsline leads to the ability to have illegal rosters by accident, yet still earn stats.

In another auction league that I run with the exact same rules, it happened more than once last year.

[Big_E]

The reason is that having the "reserve" function active on Sportsline leads to the ability to have illegal rosters by accident, yet still earn stats.

In another auction league that I run with the exact same rules, it happened more than once last year.

In the original league, anyone who you wanted to put on the DL before the season started had to be announced in a thread, with proof of the player's injury before they could be put on the DL.

You could run the Reserve list the same way here. Anyone who you want to put on Reserve has to be announced here and approved by the Commissioner. If you find anyone on Reserve who was not approved, you can use your commissioner powers to release them. I think we can trust people here to use the Honor System.

[boo_427]

The reason is that having the "reserve" function active on Sportsline leads to the ability to have illegal rosters by accident, yet still earn stats.

In another auction league that I run with the exact same rules, it happened more than once last year.

So your saying I can put Edwin on my reserve list?

Sorry to start the debate, I am a little short this morning. Still getting over the Illini losing last night.

[Snatch Catch]

In the original league, anyone who you wanted to put on the DL before the season started had to be announced in a thread, with proof of the player's injury before they could be put on the DL.

You could run the Reserve list the same way here. Anyone who you want to put on Reserve has to be announced here and approved by the Commissioner. If you find anyone on Reserve who was not approved, you can use your commissioner powers to release them. I think we can trust people here to use the Honor System.

I don't disagree with this, its just that most times it isn't about honor; its about making a simple mistake that wouldn't have been made if the system wouldn't let you. Thats my only concern...

I think you make valid points. Again, my concern isn't about the integrity of the members of this league- its about the unintentional errors that are bound to take place.

[Snatch Catch]

So your saying I can put Edwin on my reserve list?

Sorry to start the debate, I am a little short this morning. Still getting over the Illini losing last night.

No, Jackson has to either remain active or be released.

My apologies about the Illini. After Carolina got away with murder against Nova and cost me $400, I was rooting like hell for them to lose.

[Big_E]

I don't disagree with this, its just that most times it isn't about honor; its about making a simple mistake that wouldn't have been made if the system wouldn't let you. Thats my only concern...

I think you make valid points. Again, my concern isn't about the integrity of the member of this league- its about the unintentional errors that are bound to take place.

But you can correct those as commissioner. Give the 'offender' 48 hours to fix the mistake, or you'll fix it for them as you see fit. I don't think it will be a problem if you stress that all Reserve moves have to be annouced and approved. And reserve players don't earn points, anyway, so it doesn't affect things in such a critical way.

[yanksphan]

I agree, I think we should get a consensus, because that is complete BS.

There is some contradiction and one person should not be interpreting rules on a league in its infancy!

Seems we have 2 issues right now, here are my thoughts:

1. Nevermind - addressed above.

I also think if some of my minor leaguers get promoted to the bigs, and I either promote or release them, I should be able to fill those empty minor league spots with minor league "free agents".

[Big_E]

Seems we have 2 issues right now, here are my thoughts:

If I had drafted D.McPherson or E.Jackson, expecting them to contribute to my MAJOR league roster as most media reports indicated, then they did NOT make the squad - I would hope at the very least, I could kick someone off my minor league roster and put them there.

Well, I can see the point about not putting them in the minors, since you used part of your $260 on them...BUT, this is where I think the "Reserve" list should come into play.

I also think if some of my minor leaguers get promoted to the bigs, and I either promote or release them, I should be able to fill those empty minor league spots with minor league "free agents".

Agreed, and since this is NOT in the constitution, I am still waiting for an answer on how this can be prohibited.

[Big_E]

No, Jackson has to either remain active or be released.

Why? Your constitutional definiton of the reserve list seems to apply directly to Jackson and McPherson.

XII. THE RESERVE LIST

12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.

[Snatch Catch]

But you can correct those as commissioner. Give the 'offender' 48 hours to fix the mistake, or you'll fix it for them as you see fit. I don't think it will be a problem if you stress that all Reserve moves have to be annouced and approved. And reserve players don't earn points, anyway, so it doesn't affect things in such a critical way.

Reserve players do not earn points, but any roster error nullifies any point THE ENTIRE ROSTER collects as long as the error is present.

If there is an error, I would then have to go back and strike all of the statistics earned for the players on the team's roster (i.e. a LOT of work) while the error was present.

Not having the reserve function makes this chance impossible.

I will open it up though to accomadate those that want to have the option. Keep in mind that the only players that can be put on reserve are demoted major leaguers or players that are released. It will be a rarity (if ever) that someone who is worth a fantasy league roster spot would be released or demoted.

Demoted is more likely, but in that case I can just expand the minor league options.

[Snatch Catch]

Why? Your constitutional definiton of the reserve list seems to apply directly to Jackson and McPherson.

This says that Jackson and McPhereson cannot be put on reserve:

15.1. The decision of the Commissioner supersedes the rules herein and is final in any disputes. He also has the power to change a rule with an unforeseen loophole post de facto (After the fact) for the benefit of the league. The overall good of the league as a whole will be greater then the benefit to any sum of its constituents.

[yanksphan]

This says that Jackson and McPhereson cannot be put on reserve:

Oh damn, he played the 15.1 on us!

I was wondering the first time we might see that one.