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"It's not about one person and I think that might be what (the Yankees) are like. I think they have a lot of big egos.''
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"It's not about one person and I think that might be what (the Yankees) are like. I think they have a lot of big egos.''
~John
Originally Posted by ring403
WTF.
This is getting to be absurd. Seriously f*cking absurd.
4 down, 21 yet to open their mouths. As far as egos, I think Matt might also want to look in his new locker room as well. And in Yankee camp, the sound of crickets are deafening.
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The 2005 Boston Red Sox: The most classless champions in the history of team sports.
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Schillings loud mouth is contagious.
This is actually becoming comical. Boston wins the series, the Yankees lose, but it's the Sox doing the yapping.
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Would someone like to tell me just who the hell Matt Mantei is?
Because he seems to think that he's some big shot.
I've been arguing the same exact point in the Boomer thread, much to the consternation of the Red Sox posters around here.
The Red Sox remind me of the poor people who live in trailer parks their whole life and then win like $150 million dollars in the lottery but still buy velvet paintings of Elvis and dogs playing poker. You know, those snotty nouveau riche people who no matter how much money they have, they're still poor people.
Money can't buy class and neither can championships.
Is this a serious question, or rhetorical?
I think the point is, what has this guy done as part of the rivalry to feel compelled (or qualified) to chime in?
Who the f*ck is Matt Mantei?
"Well, you know what, Trot? Even if ARod didn't do the workouts, he's still 10x the player you are, 20 if the pitcher is a lefty." - frowndog
That's because you're going much further -- trying to claim that it's a character issue and that it reflects on the fans, too.
If you want to stick to claiming that they're not showing class or respect, or that they're being rude, like I acknowledged to you already, that's not unreasonable, though I disagree. But you insist on trying to read far more into it.
Why does he need to feel compelled to?
And what exactly did he say that he isn't qualified -- in your qualified opinion as a fan -- to say?
It is just the way I see it. Sorry if you can separate rudeness & disrespect from character. I cannot. And the behavior is even more unsavory because it is being conducted by the reigning champs, who should be above the fray.
And if you read my earlier posts more carefully, you would see that my point with regard to fans has to do with a 'second-place mentality', not a lack of character. It is the players who have a lack of character.
Boomer and Mantei weren't on the team last year, so to accuse the red sox of being the most classless champions because of what they said is a little unfair.
Rhetorical.
The insults continue to rain from BoSox platoon players and no-name relievers. It really is getting comical.
"Well, you know what, Trot? Even if ARod didn't do the workouts, he's still 10x the player you are, 20 if the pitcher is a lefty." - frowndog
Rudeness and disrespect to somebody who you dislike and have no respect for is honest, if not necessarily diplomatic. I consider honesty one of the few things integral to character. Tact is a secondary characteristic, at best.
Your earlier posts were worded quite unclearly. But I'd love to know what it means for a fan to have a "first-place" mentality. As far as I can tell, nothing the players say has any bearing on the mentality or character of the fans.
They are jumping on the bandwagon though. There is an unmistakable corporate culture on the team of outspoken hostility toward the Yankees right now, and the new guys are doing their best to fit in.
So which Red Sox player will be next to offer his 2 cents, Doug Mirabelli or Dave McCarty?
"Well, you know what, Trot? Even if ARod didn't do the workouts, he's still 10x the player you are, 20 if the pitcher is a lefty." - frowndog
My question is this: Where is Terry Francona? I mean, why isn't he telling his players to STFU? Is there no such thing as "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" in their locker room?
I can bet you dollars to doughnuts that if the Yankees were doing this, Torre would have their asses in a headlock.
This is why Kellog never should have fixed the AlCS.
You got to figure Millar will chime in first thing when he arrives. You know the guy can't wait to give his 2 cents. I really hope Arod keeps quiet, it'll just make these morons look that much stupider.
Maybe he doesn't care.
My guess, though, is that once training camp is open for all players, this comes to an end. Just a guess, though.
I'm waiting with baited breath for Adam Hyzdu to pontificate.
Sure......it will all end when the teams biggest loudmouths show up. I'm sure Ortiz and Millar and Ramirez have nothing but *glowing* things to say about the Yankees.
Wow -- quite a spin job. This is not about tact, this is about sportsmanship, grace, basic human decency, and the meaning of being a champion. I have never known a person to have character who can spit in the face of a beaten opponent, figuratively or literally.
You can try to rationalize what is going on with the Red Sox anyway that works for you. But if my team were behaving this way after winning a championship, I would be ashamed.
Ramirez would rather be a Yankee.
OH NO HE DIDN'T
"I'd like to thank the Good Lord for making me a Yankee."
Rudeness and disrespect to somebody who you dislike and have no respect for is honest if not necessarily diplomatic?
I'm shocked. If someone hated your mother and had no respect for her, would you tolerate them calling her a bitch or worse? Because like you just said, it's honest and diplomatic.
Something tells me that with all of the mouths that are in the Red Sox clubhouse, and with their current atmosphere of outspokenness, it will not take too many losses in a row for them to turn and start mouthing off about each other. Especially if the Yankees come out strong against them in the opening series'.
As would Schilling and Wells, and probably most of the other Red Sox players.
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Quite the collection of unlikeable asses they've assembled in Boston.
Sheff already took to this with the Yankees, saying disparaging comments about Jason Giambi "I'm not like Jason Giambi, I'm not going to sit here and cry about things"
It's sad. Who is in control of these people?
Remember right after we signed Giambi, Damon claimed he was coming, too? Remeber the few times The D-Backs tried to get us to take Matt Mantei's ridiculous contract offf there hands during earlier Unit talks?
Regardless of what issues the Yankees have to deal with, the Red Sox have a very classless, mouthy group assembled over there.
Will the endless moronic comments ever start coming out of Red Sox players mouths? Christ.
Heres a gem from mike timlin.
"The Yankees will always be the Yankees. But they are a normal baseball team that happens to have 'NY' on their chests. It's not a red 'S,' " he said, referring to the Superman logo. "If it were a red 'S' in a diamond I'd be worried."
He's a former closer who cant close and is oft-injured. So pretty much a nobody.
Pretty much what I thought.
I hope he gets into some games for the Sox. I watched a bunch of games last year that he was closing for the D'Backs. I think in two consecutive games he blew the save by giving up grad slams.
I'm as tired of this trash-talk as any of you, but what is so outrageous about this specific comment? You know that some rookie reporter went up to this first year Red Sox player (so stop lumping him in with the 2004 team, and that goes for Wells too, they haven't earned anything yet) and asked him what he thinks about the rivalry with the Yankees. He didn't say anything so outlandish when you think about it; either you're a Yankee, a Yankee fan, or a fan of a different team.
There is no ambivalence towards the Yankees, either you love them or you hate them, that's the effect those 26 championships have. Derek Jeter knows what to do; shut up, and hold up the four fingers that have rings on them. Just like calling out "scoreboard" in a college basketball game. Take a cue from your captain, enjoy the fact that everyone is gunning for you even though you didn't win the championship last year, and stop acting so offended over every little comment that someone makes about your team.
I'd pay more attention to the infighting, especially Sheffield and Giambi. Considering how much support Giambi is going to need this season from his teammates and fans, this is a serious concern for the Yankees.
let's go terriers!
BC sucks!
If you can't see how out of line, stupid and classless the statement was......I have nothing else to say to you.
FWIW, I was waiting for another Sox fan to come along and defend it.
Hate the Yankees all your want, but do it with your mouth closed.
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Well, this makes SIX Red Sox in the past week or so to talk to the media about the Yankees (team or individual player) & say something negative. It's past annoying now...it's laughable and pathetic.
Either the Red Sox don't have a PR department or it's run by Larry Lucchino.
BTW, I actually didn't mind Timlin's quote earlier in the thread. It conveyed the way he felt about the Yankees -- they're good, but they're not Supermen -- without slamming them or making it personal in any way.
In what way did I defend this statement? At the beginning of my post I said that I was tired of this garbage as well. Some comments from the Sox deserve your ire, this one doesn't. If this had come from a player from another team, it wouldn't even have made the news and you wouldn't have found out about it. You guys throw around the word "classless" like the Patriots throw around "disrespect."
let's go terriers!
BC sucks!
I'm still asking about where Francona is. It's his job to control the team......he's the manager, right?
How do we "know" this was some rookie reporter? And his talk about egos was way out of line.
And how about you not telling us how to be fans, and what to find objectionable about constant spew we hear from your team about our team?
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