Fire Coughlin

[ny]

Several Giants believe the damage is already done and that Coughlin's already lost control of the team - and has no hope of recovering it.

"Honestly, they might as well fire him now," one player said. "It's a shame because you know they won't. The players on this team have quit on him. That's a very strong word, but mark it down: this team has quit on him and quit really caring and quit listening to what Tom Coughlin has to say.

"He's already so far past the point of no return. I don't think guys will ever embrace him."


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i dont see the point of him coming back next year seeing as the team has quit on him in his first season. i figured it would take at least 2-3 seasons before coughlin lost another team but give him credit he didnt waste any time. the giants are never going to play for this man and theres no reason that giant fans have to go through this again next year.

while they have the chopping block out save some room for accorsi because he needs to replaced asap. this guy has no business being general manager. he has no idea how to build a nfl team. his drafts are horrendous and his free agent signings are absolutely terrible. i say good riddance to both these guys and thanks for nothing.

[Kulish29]

This season was a pass season for Coughlin anyway. He could have gone 0-16 and still kept his job. While I agree that Coughlin was a bad hire (I would've rather had Weiss), it will be interesting to see what he can do next season.

[ny]

Originally posted by Kulish29
While I agree that Coughlin was a bad hire (I would've rather had Weiss), it will be interesting to see what he can do next season.

the only thing he should do next season is collect his severance check.

[RhodyYanksFan]

I agree that he had a free pass after the fallout from last season. I also agreed with the way he ran practice and was ashamed when players complained he was too hard on them. But if he has caused the team to totally quit and hate him after one season that had no potential, he should go.

[Soriambi]

I think Giants fans should give the guy a break, at least this year. He's shown in Jacksonville that he can be a very good football coach and build a team, and the Giants team was a mess last year. I still think he can be successful in New York (though I'm not too concerned one way or the other, being a Jet fan.)

[yankeegeek]

I for one think that it is the player that are responsible here. If certain players could make tackles, catch passess, and do their friggin job; none of this would be an issue. Last year we all blamed Fassell. Now it is Tom's fault? Sorry, but the players are responsible on this one.

[RhodyYanksFan]

Think Archie Manning feels like an idiot now for not wanting his son to play for the ''losers'' in San Diego? 11-4 and they're gonna get better by having one of the top 5 picks in the draft next year thanks to the Giants.

[ZYanksRule]

I honestly think this is a veteran trying to get the coach fired becuase he's "too hard on them"

He stays, in my book.

[TyWebb]

"Unnamed angry Giant #1, #2, #3" Give me a break. I don't have respect for these players who are complaining but won't come face to face with anyone. Either be a man and do what the coaches want, or be a man and come forward with your issues.

It's these crybaby players who should go, not Coughlin. And it will be the players who go, not the coach.

[thecaptain]

he will be here for 2 more years . at least .

[JeffWeaverFan]

I'm a Jets fan but I don't think that Coughlin should be fired at all. Players are complaining because the team is losing. When the team was 5-2, nobody said a peep. Coughlin is a good coach and I think he will get things right with the Giants. Either way, you can't fire him after 1 year when the team had a ton of injuries because a couple of players that were too scared to say who they were said they didn't like the coach.

[JDPNYY]

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
I'm a Jets fan but I don't think that Coughlin should be fired at all. Players are complaining because the team is losing. When the team was 5-2, nobody said a peep. Coughlin is a good coach and I think he will get things right with the Giants. Either way, you can't fire him after 1 year when the team had a ton of injuries because a couple of players that were too scared to say who they were said they didn't like the coach.

After the last two seasons... I'd say a lot of the Giants need to be fired.

[Kulish29]

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
I'm a Jets fan but I don't think that Coughlin should be fired at all. Players are complaining because the team is losing. When the team was 5-2, nobody said a peep. Coughlin is a good coach and I think he will get things right with the Giants. Either way, you can't fire him after 1 year when the team had a ton of injuries because a couple of players that were too scared to say who they were said they didn't like the coach.

I've never bashed Coughlin, I've only said I thought he was the wrong hire. He deserves his shot at trying to make this team a winner. I also agree that some Giants players are whiny ................ing crybabies. I'll support Coughlin for now. But if he cannot turn it around in the next two or three years, it will be obvious the Mara's made the wrong decision.

[Kulish29]

Originally posted by JDPNYY
After the last two seasons... I'd say a lot of the Giants need to be fired.

Very true. I dont know how much validity Palmer's articles have about Giant players talking ................ about Coughlin. But if that's the case, those players are friggin pansies. How can you have the balls to bash your head coach, your leader, and then say, "Oh, by the way, please dont use my real name." That's ................ing chicken .................

[yankeegeek]

Originally posted by Kulish29
Very true. I dont know how much validity Palmer's articles have about Giant players talking ................ about Coughlin. But if that's the case, those players are friggin pansies. How can you have the balls to bash your head coach, your leader, and then say, "Oh, by the way, please dont use my real name." That's ................ing chicken .................

These are the same group that quit last season and have done the same for this season. There is going to be massive changes in the off season. There only a few that should be kept. Two of those that should be gone are Toomer and Shockey. Tired of these two.

[Soriambi]

Originally posted by Kulish29
I've never bashed Coughlin, I've only said I thought he was the wrong hire. He deserves his shot at trying to make this team a winner. I also agree that some Giants players are whiny ................ing crybabies. I'll support Coughlin for now. But if he cannot turn it around in the next two or three years, it will be obvious the Mara's made the wrong decision.

I don't know that a coach not being able to turn a team around always means that they were wrong for the job. There can be circumstances like injuries, horrible luck, or things like that that can sabotage a season. For instance, if the Cowboys go 5-11 the next three years, was Bill Parcells the "wrong" hire for them? There's not a coach in the NFL, in my opinion, who's better than Bill Parcells. I don't think the Cowboys could have hired a better coach, regardless of how they do.

There's a difference between the "wrong decision" and a decision that doesn't work out, I think. If the Giants had hired Rich Kotite or someone and he didn't work out, that's different, because they'd have no reason to think he would, but all indications are that Coughlin is an excellent coach who built an expansion team into a great team in a very short amount of time. Sometimes, if they're surrounded by bad/mediocre or players who aren't going to play hard for anyone, even the best coaches can't succeed.

[Soriambi]

Originally posted by yankeegeek
These are the same group that quit last season and have done the same for this season. There is going to be massive changes in the off season. There only a few that should be kept. Two of those that should be gone are Toomer and Shockey. Tired of these two.

He might have a big mouth, but as a Jet fan I would personally be happy to take Shockey off your hands.

[Rich]

Accorsi needs to be fired first.

btw, Unless players want to give quotes for attribution, they should STFU.

[patrick.o]

Originally posted by TyWebb
"Unnamed angry Giant #1, #2, #3" Give me a break. I don't have respect for these players who are complaining but won't come face to face with anyone. Either be a man and do what the coaches want, or be a man and come forward with your issues.

It's these crybaby players who should go, not Coughlin.

I couldn't agree more. If I was in that locker room I'd be going nutty on some people. And guys like Barber, Strahan, and even Manning should be straightening some people out, pronto. But, to be honest, I've always suspected that Strahan might be part of the problem.

[yankeegeek]

Originally posted by Soriambi
He might have a big mouth, but as a Jet fan I would personally be happy to take Shockey off your hands.

Take him, please! He is overrated as far as I can tell. He does more talking, that good playing. He has the tools to be a good player and all, but his head seems to be in too many places during a game. He drops passes that he should catch easilyand he doesn't defend well on a consistant basis.

[RIyankee]

Originally posted by Rich
Accorsi needs to be fired first.

btw, Unless players want to give quotes for attribution, they should STFU.

Agreed.

Moreover, Bill Bellichick was 5-11 in his first season with the Patriots.

The first year for a coach is usually an evaluation year to determining the following...

- what weaknesses need to be addressed for 2005

- which incumbant players will buy into my system or which won't

- which incumbant players will fit my system or which won't

- what players are worth keeping (value-wise) under the salary cap

Expect to see the 2005 Giants roster to be signifcantly different than this year's.

[RIyankee]

Originally posted by Soriambi
He might have a big mouth, but as a Jet fan I would personally be happy to take Shockey off your hands.

Shockey is overrated. Daniel Graham has emerged as the best TE from the 2002 class.

[Kulish29]

Originally posted by yankeegeek
These are the same group that quit last season and have done the same for this season. There is going to be massive changes in the off season. There only a few that should be kept. Two of those that should be gone are Toomer and Shockey. Tired of these two.

Toomer, possibly. Shockey, no way. He's too important to this offense.

[Kulish29]

Originally posted by yankeegeek
Take him, please! He is overrated as far as I can tell. He does more talking, that good playing. He has the tools to be a good player and all, but his head seems to be in too many places during a game. He drops passes that he should catch easilyand he doesn't defend well on a consistant basis.

It's hard for him to be good when he's pretty much the only offensive threat for the Giants. He's double covered all the time. Get a better core of players around Manning and Shockey, and Giants will be hearing, "Manning to Shockey...TOUCHDOWN!" for years to come.

[TyWebb]

Originally posted by patrick.o
But, to be honest, I've always suspected that Strahan might be part of the problem.

I get the same feeling.

As for Shockey, I think he should stay. Sure, he drops too many passes that should be caught, but he is hard nosed and can handle Coughlin's style. Also, this season, he hasn't been able to get the matchups he needs to succeed as much as in previous years. With the WR's laying eggs every week, Shockey gets more attention. With the Oline the way it is, he has to stay back and block more than he should, and Eli aint quite Peyton yet....

[deranged2005]

Shockey is too important to the offense, and him and Eli are pretty good friends from what they say.

He draws double coverage. He's a reason Eli can pass to guys like Toomer, Tiki, Hillard and other wide outs.

Like him or not, he's a hell of a player. If he focused more and shut up, he'd be unstoppable.

[boo_427]

As a Jaguars fan, I was a big Coughlin fan, but the fact still remains... he had the best team in the NFL in 1999 and lost to Titans 3 times.

You just can't run players ragged all season. They either a) wear out or b) turn on you.

[Soriambi]

Shockey is overrated. Daniel Graham has emerged as the best TE from the 2002 class.

Maybe so, but he'd be a big upgrade over Anthony Becht.

[yeahimweird]

Maybe so, but he'd be a big upgrade over Anthony Becht.

I agree. A MAJOR upgrade over Becht. He couldn't catch the ball if his life depended on it.

As for the Giants, I wish those who are whiners would just stop whining. You're getting paid millions to work hard, so shut up.

[YankeePride1967]

2003, Giants lose last 8 games, give up on the team, coach gets fired.
2004, Giants about to lose last 8 games, give up on the team, problem is the players NOT the coach.

[ZYanksRule]

As a Jaguars fan, I was a big Coughlin fan, but the fact still remains... he had the best team in the NFL in 1999 and lost to Titans 3 times.

You just can't run players ragged all season. They either a) wear out or b) turn on you.

Hoew about instead of turning on the coach, they act like the pros they are and actually play for him.

2003, Giants lose last 8 games, give up on the team, coach gets fired.
2004, Giants about to lose last 8 games, give up on the team, problem is the players NOT the coach.

Bingo. Proves our point that Fassel wasn't the problem, it's the players, who didn't realize how well they had it last year, and now want that all back.