Give him a solid OL and at least 1 wideout with speed, and we will see what he can do down the road.
Give him a solid OL and at least 1 wideout with speed, and we will see what he can do down the road.
i saw a little of the game and he did look better...
He looked REAL good. I was very happy with him today. He'll be awesome when he gets some recievers.
Got the L, but definetly got some confidence. He looked awesome.
Eli went down swinging, and he looked great.
We are witnessing a superstar in the making, folks.
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"Finally Eli has a good game"
But not as good as Big Ben's game (12-0 for Ben).
Eli did make strong improvement today and will build on this progress.
Eli: 16-23, 182, 0 sacks, 2 TDs, INTOriginally posted by PattiLuvsPinstripes
"Finally Eli has a good game"
But not as good as Big Ben's game (12-0 for Ben).
Eli did make strong improvement today and will build on this progress.
Roethlisberger: 18-28, 316, 3 sacks, 1 TD, 2 INTs
The only thing Ben got that Eli didn't today was a win. I'm gonna say Eli had the better game.
Wait, so Eli's not a complete bum? Maybe he won't get ridden out of New York for not going undefeated in his rookie campaign!
I want to make babies with Philip Hughes.
AKA The Javy Vazquez treatmentOriginally posted by reelbiggecko
Wait, so Eli's not a complete bum? Maybe he won't get ridden out of New York for not going undefeated in his rookie campaign!
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You can readlily see that he will be better than Roethlisberger once he gets a similar supporting cast. His arm is more accurate, and he throws a much better deep ball.
Nothing to say
Hmmm...maybe that would explain why the Giants took Eli #1...I just thought they were throwing their draft picks away, I mean who in their right mind would take Eli first overall when Ben Roethlisberger was still available? :rolleyes:Originally posted by Rich
You can readlily see that he will be better than Roethlisberger once he gets a similar supporting cast. His arm is more accurate, and he throws a much better deep ball.
In other news, if I hear one more ESPN analyst orgasm over how "incredible" their darling Big Ben is, I'm going to gouge out my eyes.
I want to make babies with Philip Hughes.
Big Ben has been incredible.
Actually, he HAS been incredible so far. Had Maddox not gotten hurt, I really believe that the Steelers would have a few more notches in the loss column.
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Eli with yesterday's game showed steady progress and will become better & better in due time
The problem is that because of the trade to get Eli, it might take years before Eli has a supporting cast...Originally posted by Rich
You can readlily see that he will be better than Roethlisberger once he gets a similar supporting cast. His arm is more accurate, and he throws a much better deep ball.
Palmer killed Billy Mays
I don't think that giving up next year's #1 pick is that big of a problem.
For one, they don't have to give a rookie high first round money, instead they can use that cap space to sign a proven free agent like a Left tackle and move Pettigout back to the right side where he belongs and still have money left over to put towards a reciever.
They considered all of this when they made the trade....I assume.
There's a force in the universe that makes things happen. And all you have to do is get in touch with it, stop thinking, let things happen, and be the ball.
That ball he threw to Tyree? Soooo nice. Once the supporting cast is set and he he gets his seasoning, he will be great.Originally posted by Rich
You can readlily see that he will be better than Roethlisberger once he gets a similar supporting cast. His arm is more accurate, and he throws a much better deep ball.
Not necessarily true. The FA pool is pretty good this year. Couple that with a high second round draft pick, and the supporting cast could get better soon.Originally posted by NYYFAN
The problem is that because of the trade to get Eli, it might take years before Eli has a supporting cast...
Feces! How many games have you watched this year? Ben has been amazing thus far. Come on, Rich!Originally posted by Rich
You can readlily see that he will be better than Roethlisberger once he gets a similar supporting cast. His arm is more accurate, and he throws a much better deep ball.
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I hope Eli can continue to be good the last couple of games. He was great yesterday. We all know that Ben came out of nowhere and is having the season of his life and hes just a rookie.
My name is Tracy and I am a female
The object of the game is to get the "W" for your team. Success is measured by winning, and Big Ben has shown he is a winner.Originally posted by deranged2005
Eli: 16-23, 182, 0 sacks, 2 TDs, INT
Roethlisberger: 18-28, 316, 3 sacks, 1 TD, 2 INTs
The only thing Ben got that Eli didn't today was a win. I'm gonna say Eli had the better game.
That said, Eli is starting to look like the QB everyone expected him to be. I love his brother, and I hope Eli becomes just as good as Peyton. Excellent QBs are so exciting to watch.
But more than likely...Giants have many weak spots...next two years should be rough years...Originally posted by Kulish29
Not necessarily true. The FA pool is pretty good this year. Couple that with a high second round draft pick, and the supporting cast could get better soon.
Palmer killed Billy Mays
I agree 182 yards and a loss is not being great...somewhat of an improvement yes...Originally posted by PattiLuvsPinstripes
The object of the game is to get the "W" for your team. Success is measured by winning, and Big Ben has shown he is a winner.
That said, Eli is starting to look like the QB everyone expected him to be. I love his brother, and I hope Eli becomes just as good as Peyton. Excellent QBs are so exciting to watch.
And Eli...it's warm in SD and they are playoff bound....
Palmer killed Billy Mays
I can readily see that. Even, 'readlily' see it!Originally posted by NYYFAN
I agree 182 yards and a loss is not being great...somewhat of an improvement yes...
And Eli...it's warm in SD and they are playoff bound....Any reasonable person could.
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True, but, they're also not playing a rookie.Originally posted by NYYFAN
I agree 182 yards and a loss is not being great...somewhat of an improvement yes...
And Eli...it's warm in SD and they are playoff bound....
I'd bet that if Eli was on the Steelers, they'd be pretty damn good and he'd be getting all the talk.Originally posted by PattiLuvsPinstripes
The object of the game is to get the "W" for your team. Success is measured by winning, and Big Ben has shown he is a winner.
Ben has a better supporting cast. Can't blame Eli on that.
Well, that better supporting cast is almost exactly the same cast that went 6-10 last year. Seriously.Originally posted by deranged2005
I'd bet that if Eli was on the Steelers, they'd be pretty damn good and he'd be getting all the talk.
Ben has a better supporting cast. Can't blame Eli on that.
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Very true, especially if Accorsi has any input in player personnel decisions.Originally posted by NYYFAN
The problem is that because of the trade to get Eli, it might take years before Eli has a supporting cast...
Nothing to say
He was good early on, but he has faltered in recent weeks, making poor reads, and bird dogging receivers. Fortunately for him, the Steelers have a great defense, their OL and running game are awesome, and their WRs get tremendous separation. Imagine how good they would be with top QB.Originally posted by #1PaFan
Feces! How many games have you watched this year? Ben has been amazing thus far. Come on, Rich!
btw, Speaking of the OL and Accorsi, he took Shaun Williams over Faneca in 1998. &po'd& (not a second guess, I wanted Faneca at the time)
Nothing to say
I think that Ben's biggest problem right now is he's scared to ................ up, basically! He'd rather take a sack than risk throwing an int. (Actually, I heard him say it.) I can understand that. My boy, Brett is sometimes TOO confident in his talent. Yesterday for example....Originally posted by Rich
He was good early on, but he has faltered in recent weeks, making poor reads, and bird dogging receivers. Fortunately for him, the Steelers have a great defense, their OL and running game are awesome, and their WRs get tremendous separation. Imagine how good they would be with top QB.
I obviously have no way to prove it, but there is NO doubt in my mind that had Maddox been the QB for the season (as planned) the Steelers would have at least two, and probably More, losses.
Pittsburgh hardly has a good WR corps! Damn, that makes me laugh!!! Especially with Burress being injured a lot.
Give this kid his due. He's actually performed very well. Ben is the ROY.
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How long has Burress been out? One week or two? Hines Ward isn't good? Randle El was very good against the Giants.Originally posted by #1PaFan
I think that Ben's biggest problem right now is he's scared to ................ up, basically! He'd rather take a sack than risk throwing an int. (Actually, I heard him say it.) I can understand that. My boy, Brett is sometimes TOO confident in his talent. Yesterday for example....
I obviously have no way to prove it, but there is NO doubt in my mind that had Maddox been the QB for the season (as planned) the Steelers would have at least two, and probably More, losses.
Pittsburgh hardly has a good WR corps! Damn, that makes me laugh!!! Especially with Burress being injured a lot.
Give this kid his due. He's actually performed very well. Ben is the ROY.
Defenses have to respect their dominant running game. That opens everything up.
Yes, he will undoubtedly be offensive ROY, but my point was that while Ben has been deified, Eli has been underseige in the Giants' backfield. When he finally got a little help on Saturday, he showed that he is very talented.
Can you imagine Favre on the Steelers?
Nothing to say
Hines Ward is very good. Favre on the Steelers would be scary; my Packers would have about eleven losses right now.Originally posted by Rich
How long has Burress been out? One week or two? Hines Ward isn't good? Randle El was very good against the Giants.
Defenses have to respect their dominant running game. That opens everything up.
Yes, he will undoubtedly be offensive ROY, but my point was that while Ben has been deified, Eli has been underseige in the Giants' backfield. When he finally got a little help on Saturday, he showed that he is very talented.
Can you imagine Favre on the Steelers?
I've been watching Ben for a while now. There is NOW a big backlash against him that isn't deserved. I almost hate to use the word, but he DOES have Poise. It's something that can't be ignored. TRUE, if he played for the Niners right now, his poise wouldn't be worth what it is now.....
The kid IS making good decisions. He's playing like a ten year veteran. As I wrote earlier, this is VERY MUCH the same Steeler team that won all of 6 games last year. Ben is a perfect situation for him.
He deserves all the accolades he's getting.
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And he has another pretty solid game today, but the defense can't stop the Bengals..
Ben Roethlisberger has a lot of poise. He's not flashy, but he's solid enough to help his team win and he makes good decisions with the football. Big Ben should be Rookie of the Year, IMHO.Originally posted by #1PaFan
Hines Ward is very good. Favre on the Steelers would be scary; my Packers would have about eleven losses right now.
I've been watching Ben for a while now. There is NOW a big backlash against him that isn't deserved. I almost hate to use the word, but he DOES have Poise. It's something that can't be ignored. TRUE, if he played for the Niners right now, his poise wouldn't be worth what it is now.....
The kid IS making good decisions. He's playing like a ten year veteran. As I wrote earlier, this is VERY MUCH the same Steeler team that won all of 6 games last year. Ben is a perfect situation for him.
He deserves all the accolades he's getting.
Hines Ward is the all-around physical WR: good hands, can block, very involved in the play. He and Plaxico Burress gives the Steelers two physical WRs with Antawn Randle El the deep threat.
"Don't Give Up...Don't Ever Give Up." - Jimmy Valvano
One must know pain to be a hero.
Guys couldn't put the ball in the end zone. Another yucky loss.
No Rally Monkeys, Towels or hankies
Just 50,000 fans of the New York Yankees.
Yep, another terrible loss for the NY Giants. Went from a good start to a terrible finish.Originally posted by wexy
Guys couldn't put the ball in the end zone. Another yucky loss.
"Don't Give Up...Don't Ever Give Up." - Jimmy Valvano
One must know pain to be a hero.
Maybe they should fire the Head Coach.
If I had 3 wishes... One of my wishes would be to make a select few of you Pirates Fans.
I wish they would've hired Weiss.Originally posted by JDPNYY
Maybe they should fire the Head Coach.
It looked pretty terrible to me. 56.3 PR, 19/37 (51.4 CMP%), 201yds, 1 INTOriginally posted by deranged2005
And he has another pretty solid game today, but the defense can't stop the Bengals..
Maybe that's solid for him.
I remember at least 4 balls that we're good passes but recievers couldn't catch the ball. Not Eli's fault. The INT wasn't a bad pass either....got deflected and caught.Originally posted by twentyquestions
It looked pretty terrible to me. 56.3 PR, 19/37 (51.4 CMP%), 201yds, 1 INT
Maybe that's solid for him.
Just couldn't score today, that was the main problem.
Not as bad, then. I didn't watch the game, so I've only the numbers to go by.Originally posted by deranged2005
I remember at least 4 balls that we're good passes but recievers couldn't catch the ball. Not Eli's fault. The INT wasn't a bad pass either....got deflected and caught.
Accorsi.Originally posted by JDPNYY
Maybe they should fire the Head Coach.
Eli certainly is no Ben. Not even close!!
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You're right. His career isn't a fiction built on the luxury of having tremendous talent around him.Originally posted by #1PaFan
Eli certainly is no Ben. Not even close!!
Nothing to say
Roethlisberger is not fiction, hes the truth...this guy plays like he's been in the league for 2 years, the TD pass he threw today right before they took him out the game because of the rib injury was perfection...being a Jet fan I wish we had a QB who could throw like that.
Dem ol' grimy Jets...
Then Eli's career isn't ANYTHING... so far. Well, I guess one could say it's however many straight losses, but I guess that's a fiction built on the crappy o-line he plays behind and lack of talent around him.Originally posted by Rich
You're right. His career isn't a fiction built on the luxury of having tremendous talent around him.
You can't hit without your hands. --Nomar Garciaparra
NYYFFFL: The Roy Williams Domination Maneuver
Essentially the EXACT SAME TREMENDOUS TALENT that went 6-10 last year.Originally posted by Rich
You're right. His career isn't a fiction built on the luxury of having tremendous talent around him.
Roethlisberger has been absolutely Amazing this year. Reasonable fans understand that.
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The broadcasters made the point during todays' telecast that Eli was first QB ever to debut against four of the top five rated defenses in the NFL.Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
Then Eli's career isn't ANYTHING... so far. Well, I guess one could say it's however many straight losses, but I guess that's a fiction built on the crappy o-line he plays behind and lack of talent around him.
Add that fact to the lack of talent he has around him, and the result is an environment in which success becomes difficult to attain.
Nothing to say
Eli outplayed him last week, while Ben faced the decimated Giants defense, while Eli played against one of the best defenses in the league.Originally posted by #1PaFan
Essentially the EXACT SAME TREMENDOUS TALENT that went 6-10 last year.
Roethlisberger has been absolutely Amazing this year. Reasonable fans understand that.
The variance between the two can best be explained by the talent (or lack thereof) that surrounds them.
Nothing to say
Eli stepped into one of the most difficult scenarios for a rookie, and in the long run this will work out well for the Giants, but what does it have to do with what Roethlisberger has done? He's won 13 straight games, and the Steelers offense was missing some key players during this run.
Dem ol' grimy Jets...
ONE game. Come on, Rich. You got on people for crap like that. Of course, you'll never admit it. Ben is a helluva QB and he proved it against the Pats, Eagles and even in Miami against their decent D AND a hurricane.Originally posted by Rich
Eli outplayed him last week, while Ben faced the decimated Giants defense, while Eli played against one of the best defenses in the league.
The variance between the two can best be explained by the talent (or lack thereof) that surrounds them.
Give the kid his props. AGAIN, that "talent" went 6-10 last year.
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You want your QB to lead your team to victory, that's what they tell them from day one. 13-0 speaks for itself. And, the Steelers are a smashmouth team, they will run more than they pass, it's not a west coast offense. That has a lot to do with Ben's decent but not spectacular stats.
Dem ol' grimy Jets...
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