Now that the Sox have Renteria, are they in the RJ race?

[Jasbro]

Have the Sox suddenly leaped to the forefront of the RJ race by getting Renteria?

Now they have an expendable stud farmhand (Hanley) who can be packaged with Arroyo to get the Unit. Seems like a far more attractive package than any Vazquez "+" combo I can come up with, and there is less money to eat with Arroyo than there would be for Vaz. Anybody else nervous about this too?

[NDBoston]

Originally posted by Jasbro
Have the Sox suddenly leaped to the forefront of the RJ race by getting Renteria?

Now they have an expendable stud farmhand (Hanley) who can be packaged with Arroyo to get the Unit. Seems like a far more attractive package than any Vazquez "+" combo I can come up with, and there is less money to eat with Arroyo than there would be for Vaz. Anybody else nervous about this too?

Johnson isn't interested in coming to Boston as Theo tried to get him last July.

Thread over.

[Jasbro]

Originally posted by NDBoston


Johnson isn't interested in coming to Boston as Theo tried to get him last July.

Thread over.

Thread over? Ummm, no.

I hope you are right, buti it sure makes sense based on what AZ was asking from us...

[Buzah!]

Randy has no interest in the Red Sox. He has repeatedly told the D-Backs, Yanks or I play out the year, then try to sign with the Yanks.

[GraniteYankee]

Originally posted by Jasbro


Thread over? Ummm, no.

I hope you are right, buti it sure makes sense based on what AZ was asking from us...

ND's right. There was a huge thread on this around the trading deadline and Boston was not on RJ's "short list".

[Jasbro]

Originally posted by GraniteYankee


ND's right. There was a huge thread on this around the trading deadline and Boston was not on RJ's "short list".

I would be elated if RJ's short list only included the Yankees, as has been widely reported. But suddenly the Red Sox have the exact ingredients AZ is looking for.

Sorry if I missed the thread back in August, but Boston didn't have Renteria then. How is this the same discussion? If for some reason RJ decides that going to Boston would be tolerable for him, they have exactly what it would take to get him. Is it that easy to just declare as an absolute that he would not go to Boston under any circumstances? Boston has what AZ needs, and AZ has what Boston undoubtably needs more than ever now that Pedro/Pavano has not worked out for them. It does not seem to me to be that much of a leap of imagination to see this sort of deal happen.

[Snatch Catch]

Originally posted by Jasbro


I would be elated if RJ's short list only included the Yankees, as has been widely reported. But suddenly the Red Sox have the exact ingredients AZ is looking for.

Who cares if the Sox have what AZ is asking for?

Once more:

RJ has said he will only go to the Yanks.

Until he comes out and says otherwise this is pointless.

[YankeePride1967]

Originally posted by Jasbro


Thread over? Ummm, no.

I hope you are right, buti it sure makes sense based on what AZ was asking from us...

You do realize that Randy has a no trade clause and as such if he doesn't want to go to Boston, then there is no trade?

[HipHipJorge]

It's been reported (by Boston media and others) that RJ would only accept a trade to the Yankees and there's a certain red sox pitcher that he's not too interested in playing with again.

[Dooley Womack]

Johnson holds the cards as to whom he goes to. Thus far he said only the Yanks. AZ holds the cards as to making his wish come true or not.

RJ isn't going to Boston. RJ could care less if Boston could offer more.

[Jasbro]

Originally posted by GoRocket


You do realize that Randy has a no trade clause and as such if he doesn't want to go to Boston, then there is no trade?

Of course. But why are we so confident that he absolutely does not want Boston? People change their minds, especially when confronted with what is likely, versus what they would like.

But I will yield to the overconfident majority....

[Calvin and Hobbes]

Originally posted by Jasbro


Of course. But why are we so confident that he absolutely does not want Boston? People change their minds, especially when confronted with what is likely, versus what they would like.

But I will yield to the overconfident majority....

Unless Schilling is involved in the trade, I doubt Johnson is going to Boston.

[JES]

RJ doesn't like Schilling. RJ has no trade clause. RJ will NOT go to Boston.

[YankeePride1967]

Originally posted by Jasbro


Of course. But why are we so confident that he absolutely does not want Boston? People change their minds, especially when confronted with what is likely, versus what they would like.

But I will yield to the overconfident majority....

Because his position has never waivered over the past year. Sox asked last July, he said no, he was quoted this week saying "only Yankees" only great paranoia would think that he's headed for Boston.

[HipHipJorge]

Originally posted by Calvin and Hobbes


Unless Schilling is involved in the trade, I doubt Johnson is going to Boston.

Bingo

[GraniteYankee]

Originally posted by Jasbro

But I will yield to the overconfident majority....

Not overconfident, just reality based.

[WakefieldsKnuckler49]

Originally posted by HipHipJorge
It's been reported (by Boston media and others) that RJ would only accept a trade to the Yankees and there's a certain red sox pitcher that he's not too interested in playing with again.

I don't blame him for not wanting to play with BK Kim anymore...oh...

[Winger03]

Plus, if he comes to NY, he can reignite the magic from 2001 with Tony Womack.

[BeantownYankee]

Originally posted by Jasbro


I would be elated if RJ's short list only included the Yankees, as has been widely reported. But suddenly the Red Sox have the exact ingredients AZ is looking for.

Jasbro...the way you are pushing this issue I don't believe you'd be elated....I believe you're a Sox fan....with that said....Johnson has the
control...He can ride it out this year and walk next year.....and as has been said by many....it's a fact he wouldn't want to be re-united with Schilling and my guess is he wouldn't want to party with Wells...

[Jasbro]

Originally posted by BeantownYankee


Jasbro...the way you are pushing this issue I don't believe you'd be elated....I believe you're a Sox fan....with that said....Johnson has the
control...He can ride it out this year and walk next year.....and as has been said by many....it's a fact he wouldn't want to be re-united with Schilling and my guess is he wouldn't want to party with Wells...

Can't I just be a paranoid Yankees fan? I was not pushing the issue as much as defending the legitimacy of my initial question. I was promptly beaten down by the masses, so I yielded to the majority.

I am a Sunday package season-ticket holder and I attend more than 25 games a year at the Stadium, in addition to catching some Spring Training games in Tampa. Geez, I have to give my Yankee-fan resume just to defend myself against taking a minority stand on a legitimate question?

[BeantownYankee]

Ok I guess you can just be Paranoid......sorry if I read you wrong....

[HipHipJorge]

Originally posted by Jasbro


Can't I just be a paranoid Yankees fan? I was not pushing the issue as much as defending the legitimacy of my initial question. I was promptly beaten down by the masses, so I yielded to the majority.

I am a Sunday package season-ticket holder and I attend more than 25 games a year at the Stadium, in addition to catching some Spring Training games in Tampa. Geez, I have to give my Yankee-fan resume just to defend myself against taking a minority stand on a legitimate question?

Sorry for the "beating" I think it has more to do with this topic (minus Renteria) has been beaten to death since July.

[Jasbro]

Originally posted by HipHipJorge


Sorry for the "beaten" I think it has more to do with this topic (minus Renteria) has been beaten to death since July.

No problem. It was precisely the addition of Renteria into the mix that sparked the question in my mind.

[Calvin and Hobbes]

Originally posted by Jasbro

I am a Sunday package season-ticket holder and I attend more than 25 games a year at the Stadium, in addition to catching some Spring Training games in Tampa. Geez, I have to give my Yankee-fan resume just to defend myself against taking a minority stand on a legitimate question?

Around here, you do. Believe me, I know.

[NDBoston]

It's not out the queston to see Johnson going to St Louis or Anaheim though.

It was reported he would ok a trade to the Cardinals last season.

[cupcollector99]

Jasbro, I forgot to tell you that RJ doesn't want to go to Boston, he only wants to be traded to NY so stop this crazy talk and get back to work.
BTW, you need to show your NYY tattoo before you ever post again.

[kamikaze]

Originally posted by Jasbro


I would be elated if RJ's short list only included the Yankees, as has been widely reported. But suddenly the Red Sox have the exact ingredients AZ is looking for.

What exactly Boston has?

AZ is asking for Vaz+Gordon+ Cash + one of top ten pitchers + prospects.

i don't know what Boston hathan NY.

[MarkBleepingBellhorn]

RJ is not coming to Boston.....

This is funny!

http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play...ugh_leary.html

[Circle Change]

Arizona will be a winning team next season and RJ will be a big part of it.

[epaul72]

I think the more likely trade scenario may be Hanley and Arroyo for Hudson

[EddieCoyle]

Ah HA! But what if the real reason RJ didn't want to come to Boston was that He hated Pedro?


Now Randy can add Boston to the "short list".

[polygon]

I would think that boston would try to add a younger starter to it's rotation because wakefield, wells and schilling are all at least 38 years old. More likely go after AJ Burnett, Tim Hudson or maybe wait for Ben Sheets.

[B in ALB]

Originally posted by NDBoston


Johnson isn't interested in coming to Boston as Theo tried to get him last July.

Thread over.

Thread over?

Damn, ND - you're pretty definitive today!

[yanksphan]

the Red Sox might not be, but apparantly the White Sox are in the race...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/bbw/c...5-majors_x.htm

Johnson's agents privately told the White Sox last week that he would accept a trade to the White Sox, sources close to the negotiations told Sports Weekly.

thanks to ICEBERG for the link...

[Circle Change]

Originally posted by yanksphan
the Red Sox might not be, but apparantly the White Sox are in the race...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/bbw/c...5-majors_x.htm



thanks to ICEBERG for the link...

And he thinks the White Sox will actually win the Central next season... that they'll really be in the post-season?

Now I'm really hoping a deal is struck and he accepts.

[CTSoxFan]

Originally posted by NDBoston


Johnson isn't interested in coming to Boston as Theo tried to get him last July.

Thread over.

Huh. Is RJ on the record saying this? Is there any evidence at all that Theo successfully worked out a deal with Arizona, only to be turned down by Johnson? My impression (then, as now) is that the DBacks and Sox never matched up well enough to even approach RJ seriously about the subject. He gave a few flippant half-assed answers to the press, which could be read a few different ways, but I don't ever recall hearing him say he had no interest, definitively, in coming to Boston.

I'd be happy to stand corrected on that, though, if anyone has a link. Even now, he's not on the record as anything...there's conventional wisdom that he instructed his agents to only accept a trade to the Yankees, but no clip of him saying that. And now there's a tidbit floating around about how the White Sox (?) are on the OK list?

I remember Schilling saying he, too, "only" wanted to be a Yankee. I haven't forgotten how that ended. (And no, that's not a prediction that Johnson will come to Boston, just a gentle reminder that what is said for the consumption of Gammons and his ilk is frequently far removed from reality. Either that, or reality can change with a good selling job.)

[CTSoxFan]

Originally posted by Circle Change


And he thinks the White Sox will actually win the Central next season... that they'll really be in the post-season?

My favorite line from that article: "The White Sox haven't won a World Series since 1917, but they could be considered a strong contender now that they have a genuine basestealing threat at the top of the lineup."

Riiiiiiiiiiiight...it was the appalling lack of stolen bases that cost the ChiSox the title. Gotcha. Heh.

I wonder if that might be an indication of the reliability of the rest of the article...?

[cubswin]

Originally posted by CTSoxFan


...I remember Schilling saying he, too, "only" wanted to be a Yankee. I haven't forgotten how that ended. (And no, that's not a prediction that Johnson will come to Boston, just a gentle reminder that what is said for the consumption of Gammons and his ilk is frequently far removed from reality. Either that, or reality can change with a good selling job.)

I think Schilling wanted NY or Philly. Boston was out only b/c of misconceptions of Fenway.

That said, I agree with you, and I think people here give far too much credence to what Randy supposedly wants and why. I think we've all seen players change their tunes pretty quickly, particularly in the last week.

[Bosox Guy in Chitown]

It's laughable that Randy Johnson would seriously consider going to the White Sox. Perhaps the agents are just trying to get another team involved to give leverage to the D-Backs. It makes the D-backs and the Big Unit happy.

[B in ALB]

Gammons just said that RJ is likely to go to the Milwaukee Braves for Lipton Bupman, cash, a mound cover, a 40lb bucket of chlorine for their pool in the outfield, and a cheese wheel.

[Dooley Womack]

Originally posted by Bosox Guy in Chitown
It's laughable that Randy Johnson would seriously consider going to the White Sox. Perhaps the agents are just trying to get another team involved to give leverage to the D-Backs. It makes the D-backs and the Big Unit happy.

Maybe I'm slow tonight, but why would RJ and his agents want to give Arizona leverage against a team he's going to be traded to? If that team is the Yanks they won't budge.

[Bosox Guy in Chitown]

Originally posted by Dooley Womack


Maybe I'm slow tonight, but why would RJ and his agents want to give Arizona leverage against a team he's going to be traded to? If that team is the Yanks they won't budge.

I might be the slow one (long day).

Here's what I am thinking. Johnson has, by local media reports, already indicated he wants no part of pitching on the South Side of Chicago. And, seriously, why would he?

But to my point. I'm working from the assumption he wants the Yankees. The D-backs will send him to the Yanks, but only for a substantial package. The Yanks, thinking they are the only game in town, will not give up as much as the D-backs want.

The agents make nice with the Pale Hose, and let it slip that the Unit will pitch for the Pale Hose. Now there is a supposed contender for the Unit. That could get the Yanks to increase their offer for Johnson.

Johnson gets out: Johnson happy. D-backs get more: D-backs happy. Yanks get Johnson: Yanks happy.

White Sox get used: White Sox used to it.

[Dooley Womack]

Originally posted by Bosox Guy in Chitown


I might be the slow one (long day).

Here's what I am thinking. Johnson has, by local media reports, already indicated he wants no part of pitching on the South Side of Chicago. And, seriously, why would he?

But to my point. I'm working from the assumption he wants the Yankees. The D-backs will send him to the Yanks, but only for a substantial package. The Yanks, thinking they are the only game in town, will not give up as much as the D-backs want.

The agents make nice with the Pale Hose, and let it slip that the Unit will pitch for the Pale Hose. Now there is a supposed contender for the Unit. That could get the Yanks to increase their offer for Johnson.

Johnson gets out: Johnson happy. D-backs get more: D-backs happy. Yanks get Johnson: Yanks happy.

White Sox get used: White Sox used to it.

Long day here as well, and I see your point now. RJ just might be getting impatient enough to want to see movement by the Yanks.

[Bosox Guy in Chitown]

Originally posted by Dooley Womack


Long day here as well, and I see your point now. RJ just might be getting impatient enough to want to see movement by the Yanks.

Off topic, but who is that in your avatar?

[Michaels07]

Originally posted by epaul72
I think the more likely trade scenario may be Hanley and Arroyo for Hudson

That would be a winner for Boston.

[CTSoxFan]

Originally posted by Bosox Guy in Chitown


Off topic, but who is that in your avatar?

It says right above it, "Welcome Carl Pavano." I just assumed it was Carl.

Or maybe Mrs. Carl? Does Kris Benson's wife suddenly have competition for the best-looking trophy wife in NYC?

[Dr. Gonzo]

i think they are planning to do something now, maybe burnett or hudson. But i bet something

[yankees76]

Originally posted by Bosox Guy in Chitown


Off topic, but who is that in your avatar?

I'm guessing Jessica Alba.

[Circle Change]

Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo
i think they are planning to do something now, maybe burnett or hudson. But i bet something

I really wish they'd just stick with the old garbage pitching staff they currently have assembled. It's really a shame that they have the likes of Theo Epstein and Bill James working for them.

They don't have our scouts though!

[brosiusbuddy]

Originally posted by Jasbro


I would be elated if RJ's short list only included the Yankees, as has been widely reported. But suddenly the Red Sox have the exact ingredients AZ is looking for.

Sorry if I missed the thread back in August, but Boston didn't have Renteria then. How is this the same discussion? If for some reason RJ decides that going to Boston would be tolerable for him, they have exactly what it would take to get him. Is it that easy to just declare as an absolute that he would not go to Boston under any circumstances? Boston has what AZ needs, and AZ has what Boston undoubtably needs more than ever now that Pedro/Pavano has not worked out for them. It does not seem to me to be that much of a leap of imagination to see this sort of deal happen.

If RJ were to go to Boston, which is a BIG IF, he would most likely want a contract extension, which I doubt Boston would be willing to do at 16 million a year. Besides, something tells me that Randy doesn't want to be on the same team as Schilling and I've also heard that the new plan is to make Hanley Ramirez a 3bman or 2bman and try to convert Youkilis to 1st to make up for his crap arm.