Boxing, anyone?

[Rui]

What do you mean by this?

I'm guessing that he means that in MMA, upsets are more liable to occur.

If you match Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao with the #10 welterweight in the world in boxing, Floyd or Manny would win 99% of the time. But if you match GSP with UFC's #10 welterweight, he's much more likely to get upset.

Thus UFC fans buy PPVs with the mindset that anything can happen while boxing fans have been ignoring mismatches on PPV (Pacquiao/Barrera II, Calzaghe/Jones, etc). But when you have two evenly matched elite boxers heading a PPV (like the upcoming Mayweather/Mosley fight or last year's Pacquiao/Cotto bout), they're going to attract more buys than two evenly matched elite MMA fighters.

Mayweather/Mosley will do around the same amount of buys as UFC 100, if not more. And that's just based on two fighters. If boxing was smart enough to stack their cards like UFC 100 had done, a fight like Mayweather/Mosley could do up to 2 million buys. A Mayweather/Pacquiao fight could surpass 3 million buys on those two fighters alone -- if it also stacked its cards instead of showcasing mismatches, I don't see how it couldn't achieve 3.5+ million PPVs.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

What do you mean by this?

Rui pretty much summed it up. In boxing, the fighters generate the interest. In MMA, it's the spectacle of the whole thing. This is why a huge boxing ppv event will always outsell a huge MMA card - the fighters attract a following, and their hype builds over the years as they rack up victories and add to their legacy. Eventually, two big name fighters that are well known to the public meet and you have a OLDH/PBF megafight that people who don't care about Golden Gloves and couldn't name 5 heavyweight champions in the last 100 years talk about and watch. Big MMA fights never seem to attract as much attention from the non-MMA crowd.

[Yankeeah]

If you match Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao with the #10 welterweight in the world in boxing, Floyd or Manny would win 99% of the time. But if you match GSP with UFC's #10 welterweight, he's much more likely to get upset.

I think there are a few factors that play into that. Since there are so many different weight classes in boxing, the talent is spread thinner.

I get your point, and MMA does have more upsets. However, there is also a 99% chance GSP would beat the #10 WW in the world. Same goes for BJ Penn, Fedor and Anderson Silva.

The upsets that happen are usually the mid level guys beating the guys who are 3-5. The last real big title upset in MMA that I can think of was 3 years in GSP/Serra.

[Rui]

I get your point, and MMA does have more upsets. However, there is also a 99% chance GSP would beat the #10 WW in the world. Same goes for BJ Penn, Fedor and Anderson Silva.

I disagree. GSP already got KTFO by little regarded Matt Serra once -- in a sport that uses 4 oz gloves, there's a much greater chance of one punch ending the fight than with boxing.

[BroadwayBomber55]

I'll be gone for vacation in the Philippines for a month starting on Monday.

I'll miss these two fights in Round 2 of the Super Six World Boxing Classic

Group stage 2
March 27, 2010
Andre Dirrell vs. Arthur Abraham - I pick: Arthur Abraham

April 17, 2010
Allan Green vs. Andre Ward (WBA Super Middleweight title) - I pick Andre Ward

And some boxing on HBO
http://www.hbo.com/boxing#/boxing/fights/index.html

And the first two episodes of Mayweather-Mosley 24/7 starting on April 10.

I'm relying on the boxing pundits including Rui and PDTDYS to cover them.

I'll watch them on channels like JackTV in the Philippines, but I won't post as often.

[Rui]

Have a fun and safe vacation, BB55.

[BroadwayBomber55]

Thank you Rui.

[BroadwayBomber55]

Hilarous Knockout

[BroadwayBomber55]

MANNY PACQUIAO HINTS AT RETIREMENT
http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/n...al_071902.html

I say Manny should fight one more fight: The winner between Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather before retiring.

[BroadwayBomber55]

Pacquiao-Clottey generates 700,000 pay-per-view buys
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxin...v_N.htm?csp=34

[BroadwayBomber55]

Joe Calzaghe admits cocaine use
http://www.fightnews.com/?p=41290

[BroadwayBomber55]

I saw the fight between Andre Dirrell and Arthur Abraham during Stage 2 of the Super Six World Boxing Classic yesterday.

Dirrell defeats Abraham via DQ.

I was more impressed with Dirrell. Dirrell was firing more shots a la Manny Pacquiao including his jab and body shots while Abraham was using the Joshua Clottey shell guard tactic.

I had it 7 rounds to 3 for Dirrell even though Abraham was coming on strong in the last two rounds before the German was disqualified for hitting Dirrell while he was down.

Now, Abraham says that Dirrell was a good actor
http://www.fightnews.com/?p=41306

While promoter Gary Shaw says that Abraham was a coward
http://www.fightnews.com/?p=41314

In my mind, I think Abraham needs to grow up. He was whining that he was low blowed, but I only saw Lawerence Cole either warning both or didn't step in to halt the action.

And Abraham did his DQ on purpose, he landed a countered jab and Dirrell was down and he threw a looping low uppercut while Dirrell was down.

Dirrell could've had a concussion. That was classless.

Dirrell-Abraham Presser
http://www.fightnews.com/?p=41307

[Rui]

I actually thought Dirrell exaggerated the effects of the punch. It's really been hotly debated among boxing fans.

Fans are basically split 50/50 as to whether Dirrell faked being knocked out cold or not.

[BroadwayBomber55]

Here's the clip of Arthur Abraham hitting Andre Dirrell on the ground

[BroadwayBomber55]

I actually thought Dirrell exaggerated the effects of the punch. It's really been hotly debated among boxing fans.

Fans are basically split 50/50 as to whether Dirrell faked being knocked out cold or not.

I saw the clip again Rui.

It is a debatable issue to see if Dirrell was faking it from boxing fans.

I think Abraham was silly to do an intentional foul like that and I also say that Dirrell did exaggerate.

If Abraham committed a silly foul on purpose with that punch which he did, Dirrell should've been out stoned cold, motionless and would've stayed down for medical help.

Here's another view

[BroadwayBomber55]

Yuri Foreman vs. Miguel Cotto on June 5 from Yankee Stadium
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/n...ory?id=5070899

[BroadwayBomber55]

HBO's 24/7 is back.

Episode 1 of Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Shane Mosley starts on April 10
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/fights/201...her/index.html

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

Yuri Foreman vs. Miguel Cotto on June 5 from Yankee Stadium
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/n...ory?id=5070899

Awesome. It should be a great atmosphere for this fight, there are no shortage of Puerto Ricans and Russians in this city. I'm definitely going to this one.

[BroadwayBomber55]

Awesome. It should be a great atmosphere for this fight, there are no shortage of Puerto Ricans and Russians in this city. I'm definitely going to this one.

It should be a treat. First fight at Yankee Stadium since 1976 when Muhammad Ali defeated Ken Norton.

[Tribefan]

Anyone watch Kelly Pavlik's fight Saturday night on HBO...It was hard to watch for me, seeing the fellow Youngstowner get so beat up...From 8th round on, blood was just flowing from both of his eyes, making him a bloody mess. Don't know how he could see...said afterward that he needed stitches outside and inside his eye to close the cuts.

Talk now about whether he will initiate the rematch clause in his contract to try to get his belts back or to just move up to the next weight class.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

Yea, I saw it. I was actually in A.C. Saturday night. Watched it at the Taj. Damn, there were a lot of long-faced Ohioans in AC that night. I was pretty bummed myself. Kelly Pavlik will never win technical boxer of the year award, but what an entertaining fighter.

Where does he go from here? Aside from 4 rounds in the middle of the fight, he was outclassed. Ring rust, the skill of Martinez, and lessons forgotten or not learned from the Hopkins fight contributed to that devastating loss. For the second fight in a row under the bright lights in AC, Pavlik was schooled by a cagey, skilled veteran with better hand speed. The good vibes from his wins over JT and Miranda are starting to run out.

[BroadwayBomber55]

Edwin Valero hangs himself after being held for killing his wife
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=5112471

[Tribefan]

Yea, I saw it. I was actually in A.C. Saturday night. Watched it at the Taj. Damn, there were a lot of long-faced Ohioans in AC that night. I was pretty bummed myself. Kelly Pavlik will never win technical boxer of the year award, but what an entertaining fighter.

Where does he go from here? Aside from 4 rounds in the middle of the fight, he was outclassed. Ring rust, the skill of Martinez, and lessons forgotten or not learned from the Hopkins fight contributed to that devastating loss. For the second fight in a row under the bright lights in AC, Pavlik was schooled by a cagey, skilled veteran with better hand speed. The good vibes from his wins over JT and Miranda are starting to run out.

Here's an interview with Pavlik with the Youngstown Vindicator (today's edition):

http://www.vindy.com/news/2010/apr/2...icked-off8217/

[Rui]

Jermain Taylor's subsequent losses and Pavlik's loss to Martinez goes to show that the guy wasn't that special to begin with. Honestly, Martinez was the best middleweight Pavlik has taken on ever since Taylor in their first fight.

[BroadwayBomber55]

The Super Six World Boxing Classic is back on Showtime this weekend.

I pick Mikael Kessler over Carl Froch.

They both made weight.
http://www.fightnews.com/?p=43783

[BroadwayBomber55]

Mikael Kessler joins the winners list.

The Dane gets his first points in the Super Six World Boxing Classic with a unanimous decision win over Carl Froch.

I had it 116-112 for Kessler.

http://www.fightnews.com/?p=43881

[BroadwayBomber55]

One week away from 'Pretty Boy' Floyd Mayweather Jr. taking on 'Sugar' Shane Mosley.

Who r u picking? Fight is on May 1st.

[Brick Tamland]

Mosley/Mayweather coming up. Really looking forward to this fight. Anyone care to weigh in on the outcome?

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

Mosley/Mayweather coming up. Really looking forward to this fight. Anyone care to weigh in on the outcome?

Rooting hard for Mosley but picking Mayweather in a decision. I don't think a 38 year old Mosley can beat a guy who's never come close to losing for almost 10 years. But I'd love nothing more than to see this overrated douche eat a fat plate of crow.

[RayBeFree]

Rooting hard for Mosley but picking Mayweather in a decision. I don't think a 38 year old Mosley can beat a guy who's never come close to losing for almost years. But I'd love nothing more than to see this overrated douche eat a fat plate of crow.

Mosley has the speed, power and size to beat Floyd. Not saying he will but it's not out of the realm of possibilty.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

Mosley has the speed, power and size to beat Floyd. Not saying he will but it's not out of the realm of possibilty.

Not at all. Hopefully Shane can channel the Hopkins fountain of youth and drop PBF a few times, or at least turn in a convincing performance.

[BroadwayBomber55]

Mosley has the speed, power and size to beat Floyd. Not saying he will but it's not out of the realm of possibilty.

It's not out of the question RayBeFree.

You may never know.

[BroadwayBomber55]

BB55's Take: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Shane Mosley

Primer Intro: This fight is a matchup between two boxers who are some of the best Pound for Pound in the world. Mayweather is the favorite in the fight, but Mosley is no stranger to upsets. Tons of fight fans want to see a showdown between Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, but Mayweather needs to get through Mosley. Can Mosley get another major scalp in his career?

Three keys that will decide the fight:

1. Who will win the war with the jabs?

Shane Mosley has the reach advantage over Mayweather by two inches. And Sugar displayed a great jab in his last fight against 'The Tijuana Tornado' Antonio Margarito.

However, Mayweather has the quicker, more stiffer jab where he can use it in both the head and body. Just ask Juan Manuel Marquez where Mayweather couldn't miss his jab.

Also Mosley has problems when he was getting outjabbed like Miguel Cotto for instance.

2. Who will blink when it comes to toughness?
There's no question that both of these men are tough and durable. Both of them have been knocked down only once in their careers: Floyd Mayweather Jr. against Carlos Hernandez and Shane Mosley vs. Vernon Forrest. And both men have yet to taste a stoppage on the feet.

Both men can also take a punch. Mosley was in there against Forrest and came back to win. Mayweather bounced back against Zab Judah and Oscar De La Hoya.

Can Mosley's power reach Mayweather and can Mayweather hold up or will Mayweather elude the barrage with his quick hands, feet and head movements?

3. Movement and ring generalship
When Mosley destroyed and exposed Margarito, Margarito was just moving forward in a straight line which not much head nor lateral movement. Sugar can't even miss against Margarito.

However, Sugar has a bigger challenge when Pretty Boy Floyd has quicker feet, hands and head movement where he can move all over the ring.
Once PBF feels he's being trapped in the corner or along the ropes, he has that one quick turn and land a counter. Just ask Ricky Hatton.

In order for Mosley to have a success mastering PBF's movement in ring generalship, he needs to do the same thing like he did against Margarito: tie up and stay off the ropes.

BB55's Prediction: There's no question that these are two of the best fighters in the world and they want to be next in line for Pacquiao.

Mosley and his trainer Brother Naazim Richardson wants another major scalp like Bernard Hopkins over Kelly Pavlik and Mosley over Margarito.

However, those two fighters don't have the hand speed, foot speed, and quicker lateral and head movements that Mayweather possess.

Pacquiao and his trainer Freddie Roach made their predictions. Pacquiao wants Mosley to win while Roach sides with Mayweather.

Whoever wins this fight will face Pacquiao later this year and both of them can give Pacquiao and Roach problems.

Mosley will be hanging in there against Mayweather and hope he proves me wrong again like he did against Margarito.

In the end though, Mayweather's speed, more effective jab and defense will propel him to victory.

BB55's Final Verdict: Floyd Mayweather Jr. defeats Shane Mosley via decision.

[Rui]

This fight will not be competitive.

Floyd wins an EASY decision.

[Blokee]

I go with Mosley on a tight decision - maybe even a split.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

Saw Floyd with Jim Rome yesterday. If there was an award for shameless self promotion, Floyd would be man of the year. Or decade. I really hope this douche gets KTFO in humiliating fashion.

[BroadwayBomber55]

Both Sugar and Pretty Boy made weight
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/mayw...weigh-in-44569

Shane Mosley 147 vs Floyd Mayweather 146
Saul Alvarez 150 vs JM Cotto 149
Daniel Ponce de Leon 125 vs Cornelius Lock 125
Said Ouali 146 vs. Hector Saldivia 147.5
Arturo Morua 141 vs. Jessie Vargas 142
Gilberto Sanchez Leon 130 vs. Eloy Perez 129
Dion Savage 168 vs. Tommie Speller 166
Luis Ramos 136 vs. Allen Litzau 138*
* Contract was 135.
Daniel Reece 136 vs. Angel Soto 137

[BroadwayBomber55]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Shane Mosley - Broadway's PostMortem

After the first two rounds, I thought it will be a competitive fight as I said in my preview.

'Sugar' Shane Mosley rocked and wobbled Floyd 'Money' Mayweather in Round 2 and almost knocked him down.

However, when Floyd found his rhythm and his groove, it went all downhill for Mosley as Mayweather won a lopsided unanimous decision.

Floyd used his jab and counter shots to overwhelm Shane and Shane just didn't see it.

Money's jab, counterpunching speed, movement, it also totally flustered Mosley.

And everytime Floyd was trapped, Sugar tried to knockdown Mosley with one big shot and he was loading up on it. It didn't happen.

What did Mosley do? He clinched, grabbed, horsecollared, throwing an elbow, etc. just can't find to get in the fight.

I know, I know. Boxing and fight fans really want to see this matchup: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao.

The question is though, if and when will they settle their drug testing flaps? They both agreed to do blood and urine and random testing. The only flaw is the timing.

Freddie Roach after Pacquiao's fight with Joshua Clottey wants the commissions to decide. Floyd's point of view is that he wants an even playing field and wants Pacquiao to fall into his demands. Something's gotta give.

Well, here's my memo to both camps: I DON'T CARE IF FLOYD GETS THE BIGGER PURSE THAN MANNY OR THE COMMISSION DECIDES ON THE TESTS, YOU TWO NEED TO SHUT UP AND GET THIS FIGHT ON! I mean, the fans demand it. We want to see this fight.

Are we going to see Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight in the boxing ring? Keep your fingers crossed fight fans.

[dabomb2045]

Mayweather dominated after the 2nd round. Just too good.

Its time for this Mayweather-Pacquiao fight to happen.

[BroadwayBomber55]

This fight will not be competitive.

Floyd wins an EASY decision.

Yep, you're right again when it comes to Floyd Mayweather fights Rui.

I was definitely wrong on Juan Manuel Marquez.

I had the pick right on this one, but I thought it will be more competitive.

The first two rounds, I thought I was right.

But it was all about the whole picture and from Round 2, it all went downhill for Shane Mosley.

[Blokee]

I don't think I have ever seen Money fight like that. Shows that he can stand toe to toe with someone. Thought Mosley had his chance in the 2nd when Money was in genuine trouble but apart from that - plain sailing...

Now lets get Money v Manny done.

[BroadwayBomber55]

I don't think I have ever seen Money fight like that. Shows that he can stand toe to toe with someone. Thought Mosley had his chance in the 2nd when Money was in genuine trouble but apart from that - plain sailing...

Now lets get Money v Manny done.

The biggest question is will they agree to everything including drug tests, salary, etc.?

As I said before, I don't care if Floyd has the bigger purse than Manny, if they get the timing down for drug testing, etc. I just want those two bozo camps to agree on everything and fight in November or December.

That's it.

[Brick Tamland]

Impressive win for Floyd. Now give us what we all want to see. I don't see how Paq/Mayweather happens given the fact that Manny insists on 24 days prior to fight cut-off and Pretty Boy insists on random testing up until the fight but here's hoping.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

Congratulations to Floyd for beating another fading star. When former greats on their way out of the game want a big payday, Floyd is ready to oblige.

[Brick Tamland]

Not saying that Mosley was at the peak of his game but who did you want Floyd to fight other than Manny?

[TheManKnownAsMecca]

Congratulations to Floyd for beating another fading star. When former greats on their way out of the game want a big payday, Floyd is ready to oblige.

You act like there are people out there deserving of the fight. Manny backed out, not Floyd. I really think Floyd got into Manny's head and that Floyd would win in a fight between the two.

[Rui]

Congratulations to Floyd for beating another fading star. When former greats on their way out of the game want a big payday, Floyd is ready to oblige.

You posted this in January:

I'd give PBF all the credit in the world if he can slap Mosley around. I just don't think he's going to make it happen

Your hate for Mayweather is exceeded only by your blind nut-hugging of Pacquiao. You're a hypocrite and a joke of a boxing fan.

[Blokee]

I can't knock Money for taking down Mosley. Yes he may have been past his prime but he was still a more than legit Welterweight and it is Money's best win for me both on paper and in terms of performance.

I thought Manny would blow Money away - now I'm wavering.

[dabomb2045]

Pacquiao is the one who wont agree to the drug testing. Why not? Whats he got to hide?

Man up....agree to it...and this fight will happen. Money isnt backing away from him....its the other way around.

[Brick Tamland]

Pacquiao is the one who wont agree to the drug testing. Why not? Whats he got to hide?

Man up....agree to it...and this fight will happen. Money isnt backing away from him....its the other way around.

There's posturing going on from both sides. Floyd's trying to get into Manny's head, knowing full well he's superstitious about giving blood leading up to a match and Manny's camp does their best to make Pretty Boy look bad for "ducking" Pacman saying that USADA testing isn't necessary. Both statements are ridiculous because there's already been evidence of performance enhancing drugs in the sports as well the fact that there is no way a single vial of blood is going to weaken anyone, much less a prize fighter in outrageously good shape like Manny. At the end of the day if Manny really wants to fight with that 24 day testing cut off, he's going to have to come up with a more credible reason than being "weakened" by giving a single vial of blood 2 weeks before a fight. And Floyd is going to have to be left with no more excuses than to finally step up to the best in the game and put his "money" where his mouth is.