I had it 115-114 for Cotto.
Mosley gave a really good account of himself, though. And that referee should never officiate a big fight ever again. There was no lull in the action nor were the fighters even near the wet spot. Such a stupid move.
I had it 115-114 for Cotto.
Mosley gave a really good account of himself, though. And that referee should never officiate a big fight ever again. There was no lull in the action nor were the fighters even near the wet spot. Such a stupid move.
Cotto, Hattan, and Mayweather Jr.
Who's the best welterweight?
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If I had to make a Top 10 of welterweights right now (assuming that Hatton is a welterweight), it would be:Originally Posted by JfromJersey
1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2.) Miguel Cotto
3.) Paul Williams
4.) Shane Mosley
5.) Antonio Margarito
6.) Kermit Cintron
7.) Ricky Hatton
8.) Joshua Clottey
9.) Zab Judah
10.) Andre Berto
Hatton down at seven? I could have him as low as three but anything lower is crazy talk! He is unbeaten, has been a long-term World Champion, has beaten some top notch performers at the top of their game. I'm not Hatton fan (despite being English - his decision to leave Frank Warren's stable when Warren moved to free TV peed me right off) but surely he's in the top 10 p4p fighters so he have him 7th in this division isn't right?
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What has he done at welterweight? Besides win a razor-thin decision to Luis Collazo, who isn't even in my Top 10. And after that, instead of staying in the division, he moves back down again.
Maybe his top fights have come down at Junior Welterweight - but I still see him knocking off the majority on that list with relative ease.
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Beat me to it. Hatton is incredibly overrated IMO. The only time he has fought at 147 he lost (although he was somehow given the decision).
There's a reason PBF is fighting Hatton, and it is because he knows he will win. Hatton isn't that good. I'd put Zab Judah at 7 and move Hatton down to 8 by the way.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Who would he knock off on that list? Cotto would murder him. Mosley would murder him. Margarito would beat him. Cintron would knock him out. I could see him giving Paul Williams trouble, but Williams is definitely the more talented fighter and given his victory over Margarito, he has done a lot more than Hatton.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Junior welterweight isn't welterweight. Hatton had his welterweight debut in front of millions of Americans to show what he was made of and he was unimpressive to say the least.
Ever since their highly entertaining, but controversial bout, boxing fans were starving for a Manny Pacquiao v. Juan Manuel Marquez rematch.
Well, Pacquiao v. Marquez II is now official. Golden Boy and Top Rank signed this bout for March 15, 2008.
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Not to mention that Joan Guzman and Edwin Valero are in negotations to fight and will be the logical choice to fight the winner of Pacquiao/Marquez.
In my mind, the next Manny Pacquiao fight with Juan Manuel Marquez is going to be one of the toughest tests for the Pacman.
Marquez is a very good counterpunch artist that can give any fighter who is more of an attacker like Pacquiao fits.
Pacquiao does have the edge in hand speed and power, but for tactical areas, I give the edge to JMM.
As for the negotations for a fight between Joan Guzman and Edwin Valero, I'm interested to see that too.
Guzman is a heavy hitter who has an undefeated record, but can he make weight?
Valero is also another great boxer and if Pacquiao defeats Marquez and Valero defeats Guzman, this is a matchup that features to lefties.
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Guzman used to be a heavy hitter at 122. Now he's more of a slick boxer-puncher.
I'm really curious about Marquez/Pacquiao II. It's been the first live opponent for Manny in a while.
Thought the Cotto-Mosley fight was very good. Not a classic but a very good PPV event. What impressed me most about Cotto was his counter-punching ability, he landed frequently and decisively even when Mosley pressed the action in the latter half of the fight. I'm thinking Cotto - PBF will be the next huge event...sorry England but I don't think the hitman will land 10 punches. I'm rooting like hell for the kid though. PBF just doesn't get hit. But what a spectacle it would be if the hitman can pull it off....Manchester would be shaking!
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Ricky Hatton v. Floyd Mayweather this Saturday on HBO PPV boxing.
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Classic boxer/puncher match.
Any predictions?
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i got a feeling mayweather will pull this one out
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Theres only one..Ricky Hatton!!!!!!
pre-fights nerves are setting in already.
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If Ricky Hatton wants to beat Floyd Mayweather tonight, Hatton needs to close down the space in order to neutralize Floyd's reach advantage and maul him inside.
However, if Hatton is reckless with his brawling style and Floyd's tactical prowless takes advantage, Floyd easily outboxes Hatton.
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Way to go out on a limb!
Maybe Hatton can win this fight... I don't know, I doubt it. Maybe he can be very aggressive and steal some rounds and win it. I don't see it, but I'll be rooting for him. My guess is PBF wins a unanimous decision. Too quick and too talented.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Did anyone watch the preview on HBO about this fight? I dont follow boxing that closely...but I've seen a few of Floyd's fights before and know how good he is.
I was surprised to hear him talk about how many physical problems he deals with these days. He talked about how bad his hands, shoulders, knees and back are...and how he is almost always in pain and how his body is betraying him. You always think that a guy who is as good as he is, must be in tip-top physical shape...yet he definetly doesnt seem to be. The way he was talking it seems that he is thinking about retirement in the not too distant future.
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Yes, I watched them all. HBO was brilliant for starting the 24/7 show. Creates a lot of interest in the fight.
Anyways, he has hand problems, as a lot of boxers do. But he is still in excellent shape. He actually already "retired" but that was very short lived. And if he retires before fighting Cotto or at least Margarito then he is a fraud.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Cotto, yes. But Mayweather doesn't need to fight Margarito until Margarito has actually earned his shot. Mayweather, assuming he beats Hatton, is at a point in his career where he'll only fight in megafights. That basically means either a rematch with De La Hoya or Cotto for 2008.
I dont know......I have a feeling Hatton might pull it out, somehow.
He's a bruiser, and i dont see Mayweather knocking him out.
I also love his somewhat quiet confidence.
Mayweather is a superior defensive fighter that logically should win, but I just get the feeling Hatton might do it.
Hatton.
I used Margarito because PBF has ducked him before. DLH would be a mega fight but wouldn't prove anything in his legacy. He's already beaten him and would beat him again. A win over Cotto (and then Paul Williams if he beats Cotto and Williams beats Cintron and someone else in between then) would cement his legacy.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
I think Mayweather is going to completely outclass Hatton.
agreed
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The British crowd inside the MGM Grand Garden Arena is very loud.
It looks like they're in a England soccer match, singing and chanting.
Now, they're cheering at Sir Thomas Jones's singing 'God Save the Queen' and whistling as Tyrese Gibson sings 'the Star-Spangled Banner'.
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A lot of celebrities in the crowd tonight including David Beckham, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Jude Law, Brad Pitt, and Wesley Snipes.
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Floyd Mayweather Jr. KOs Ricky Hatton in the 10th.
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Floyd Mayweather Jr. landed more shots than Ricky Hatton and was very dominant in the fight. Hatton won 2 rounds in my scorecards, Rounds 1 and 3, but PBF took him apart and wore out the Briton. Hatton even had a point deducted for a rabbit punch in the 6th.
Even when Hatton was coming forward, he didn't land any significant shots and Mayweather's counter punching took Hatton's aggressiveness away.
A lot of clinching and holding tonight as usual from Hatton.
Sweet left hook from PBF in the 10th, Sugar Ray Robinson style.
I like to see a Miguel Cotto v. Floyd Maywether bout.
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Mayweather had too much class. He was just sitting back and waiting for Hatton to tire. Then BLAM!!!!!, picked him aprt at the end.
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Coolness. Reminds me of when Tyson took that Brit dude Bruno and lifted the 247 lber off his friggin' feet before upending him on his arse. The Brits were drinking English champagne and Bruno said he was fighting for Queen & country.
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Hatton was what we thought he was! He was what we thought he was!
Here's the problem with PBF. He never has fought a guy that would be a real challenge. If you want to impress, fight Cotto. Fight Paul Williams. Hell, even fight Margarito.
The guy is a talented fighter, no doubt about that. But to be the best, then fight the best, and he is not doing that.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
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I would bet that Mayweather fights Cotto in 2008. If enough people demand it, the fight will happen.
I am a big fan of Mayweather, so I was pleased with last night's results. The 24/7 program is excellent as well. He was hilarious in the one leading up to his fight with Oscar, and this one was good too.
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Who the hell is PBF? Mayweather?
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I look forward to Calzaghe dumping Hopkins on his bum in Yankee Stadium next year.
As for the Bruno fight - Bruno froze on the night and was taken apart. Hatton fought valiantly but Pretty Boy was just simply a classier fighter and seemed in terrific shape.
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The trouble with Hatton is he only knows one way to fight. Floyd is a boxer who can also punch and take a punch in the mold of a Sugar Ray Robinson or Leonard. You need intelligence as well as great skills, and Floyd has both. A Cotto match would be great, and I think eventually it will happen, and I'd give Floyd a slight edge there.
On a side note, I think Calzaghe will beat Hopkins.
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PBF = Pretty Boy Floyd
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Ricky Hatton knows only one way to fight: an aggressive brawler who likes to clinch a lot.
I like to see a Miguel Cotto-Floyd Mayweather fight along with another gem in 2008, Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez II.
I also think Joe Calzaghe will beat Bernard Hopkins.
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Theres the problem for Boxers! Theres always another guy popping up. Mayweather has nothing to prove and is without question one of the best ever. He doesn't need to fight anyone else to prove himself and calling him a fraud shows a very low Boxing IQ.
Of course he has something to prove.
Mayweather is the welterweight champion. Cotto is his clear #1 contender, something Hatton never was. Mayweather has been and is still accused of handpicking his opponents. By defending his championship against the clear #1 contender, he silences all the critics.
That and last nights PPV buys. I'm don't know how many PPV buys there were but 4 people called me to tell me they were ordering this fight...pretty much everyone I know was watching it somewhere. So if the money is there for the next one I'm sure the fight will happen. PBF is rapidly becoming the household name boxing used to have plenty of. I can't stand Floyd but he's the pound for pound king and he's good for the sport.
thought the fight was much more entertaining than I was expecting. I was not suprised that PBF won but at how he won, he almost took the Hitman's head off. All in all it was an excellent year for boxing...so much for the sport needing to be "saved."
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I disagree. If PBF wants to cement his legacy, he's gotta fight some more. If PBF does indeed retire, his recent wins over the likes of Gatti, Baldomir, and Hatton (who if his name weren't Hatton very possibly could have lost to Luis Collazo) are not impressive enough to say that he's one of the best ever or that he's got nothing left to prove.
IMO the best, in-his-prime fighter PBF has beaten (which depends on who you ask) was Jose Luis Castillo, and that was 5 years ago. Since then it's been an underwhelming line of opponents, maybe except for DLH who is pretty much nearing the end of the line anyway. Floyd is a current great but if he wants to be a historical great he's gotta keep going. I fully expect that he will.
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I think Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather can save boxing, but he can't do it alone.
I mean there are other fighters that can join him in order to elevate boxing to another level in 2008, like Manny Pacquiao. I can't wait to see Pacquiao's second fight against Juan Manuel Marquez in March in order to settle a controversial draw in 2004.
I like to see a Miguel Cotto-Floyd Mayweather fight as well in 2008.
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Next boxing events on HBO PPV
FELIX TRINIDAD vs ROY JONES JR. - Madision Square Garden: January 19, 2008 9 PM ET/6 PM PT.
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Show me a Champ that doesn't "Hand pick his opponents"That's one of the luxuries of being the champ. You fight this #1 and then theres another #1 it never ends until you're too old and tired and you get beat. Floyd is at the end of his rope and Cotto would probably hurt him at this stage. Cotto of Today against Mayweather of 5 years ago,now that would be interesting. He should retire on top and no one that knows Boxing would begrudge him that.
*cough* Lennox Lewis *cough*
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