Yeah, Trinidad Sr. is an idiot. This is where I got that from:Originally Posted by PlsDontTearDownY.S.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2061185
After his father, Felix Trinidad Sr., went into detail about how he did not feel up to par training in the corner with his son, the younger Trinidad said he did not want to continue fighting without his mentor.
"If you aren't here, I'm not continuing in boxing," Trinidad said before embracing his father and crying.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Just imagine how much greater ( not that it has not been hall of fame caliber already ) Tito's career could have been if he had a guy like Emmanuel Steward in his corner. Trinidad's combination of heart, hand speed and power is something that does not come along often.
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Winky Wright on Oscar De La Hoya planning to fight in a 150 LB catch-weight
fight instead of going after Wright:
" I see Oscar De La Hoya has created a new division for himself. Is he calling it Jr Oscarweight or Super Catchweight? Personally, I think it's MakeWinky Wait."
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Kostya Tszyu defends his belt against undefeated Brit Ricky Hatton Saturday night on Showtime at 9. The fight will be broadcast live from Manchester, England at 2 AM British time...I can only imagine how sloshed the crowd will be by then. A drunk British fight crowd cheering on a local hero at 2 AM...BRILLIANT!
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Provided Tszyu hasn't got old in a hurry since his last fight, he'll have too much for Hatton. He'll at least win on points. Hatton isn't even the best light welterweight in Britain. He'll have to be better than he's shown so far to win this one.
Kostya Tszyu just quit on his stool at the end of the eleventh round, after being battered to a standstill. Hatton walked through everything he could throw at him and took him apart. Tszyu couldn't believe what was happening to him. Hatton proves everybody dead wrong.
I watched the last few rounds. I couldn't believe when Tszyu didn't come out for the 12th. Good fight, lots of action and it turned into a brawl.
One of the few boxing matches I missed. Hopefully I'll see a replay of it. I will say I'm surprised by the outcome.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
What a fight. It's easy to discredit Hatton and say that Kostya aged during his layoff but I don't buy it. Hatton's got a granite chin, to be taking the shots he did...and a good strategy of staying close and not letting Tszyu bomb away with his potent right. I thought Tszyu would have got KTFO if he had come out for the 12th, there was no need for it and Tszyu knew he was spent. Anyone down for an Arturo Gatti/Ricky Hatton fight?
Also, Danny Williams and Wayne Alexander won their fights on knockouts. Big weekend for British boxing.
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Hatton should now go fight Zab, see if he can keep that undefeated record, but come fight him in the Garden.
That's a big, big step for Hatton but he should hit the ground running in the US now that he's got some fame. Hatton would have to move up to welterweight, but if he could beat Judah he would take all three of his belts and set himself on the road to the hall of fame. I have a feeling that fight would have a huge buzz behind it, especially if the fight in the Garden. That said, I think Judah would beat him.
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I think so also, but if Hatton even sorta shows himself in a fight that'll have that kinda buzz he could probably move back down and get some good paydays on this side of the pond. I like Zab, and I wanted Tszyu to win so they could set up a rematch. Looks like that won't happen though.
It's a tough call for Hatton's team...if he could pull it off it would be a huge boost to his career and legacy, and he's only 25. About a Judah-Tszyu rematch...I didn't get the post-fight comments...did Tszyu suggest he might retire?
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Tszyu said something along the lines of "I'm not saying I'm retiring, but if this was my last fight I've nothing to be ashamed of" .... Didn't say for sure, but the fact that he brought it up makes me think he might. Of course anything said in the ring has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Yeah, he opened the door to retire. But I also don't see Zab fighting him now that there's no real gain in it for him. Not until he gets a big money fight, then maybe go back and avenge the loss.
Hatton will probably fight Corrales next. But he'll do a nice easy mandatory before he fights him. I was drinking with a guy involved with British boxing on Sunday, who was talking to the head of Showtime Saturday at the fight, and they want to set up a Hatton-Corrales fight. Hatton's promoter wants to sell another 25 000 tickets for a mandatory guy first though.What a fight. It's easy to discredit Hatton and say that Kostya aged during his layoff but I don't buy it. Hatton's got a granite chin, to be taking the shots he did...and a good strategy of staying close and not letting Tszyu bomb away with his potent right. I thought Tszyu would have got KTFO if he had come out for the 12th, there was no need for it and Tszyu knew he was spent. Anyone down for an Arturo Gatti/Ricky Hatton fight?
Also, Danny Williams and Wayne Alexander won their fights on knockouts. Big weekend for British boxing.
We also have a light welter called Junior Witter, who has greatly inproved the last couple of years. He's signed a deal with Golden Boy, so we'll see what he's got soon.
Good fight tomorrow night on HBO ( not PPV )
Miguel Cotto fights Muhammad Abdullaev Saturday night in the Garden. It's a jr Welterweight fight that should pack plenty of excitement, since Abdullaev was the last fighter to beat Cotto.
Cotto is a hard hitting Puerto Rican who will have the crowd, city and island behind him, especially since Trinidad appears like he's going to retire. 7500 people turned out just to watch him train...how will he handle the pressure? He is also going to be the grand marshal of the Puerto Rican day parade which is going to be held the morning after the fight... the Copa will be off the hook if Cotto wins. it will be off the hook anyway.
This should be a great fight, and what could be better than not having to pay 50 bucks for it?
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I finally watched the Tszyu-Hatton fight. Hatton just wasn't going to lose that fight. BUT, I felt that Hatton had a clear cheap shot against Tszyu that could have been the difference in the entire fight. That shot right to the balls was complete BS and it definitely took a major toll out of Tszyu.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Just imagine a Gatti vs Hatton fight...that s*** would be crazy!
In other news Cotto stopped Abullaev in 9 Saturday night, after Abdullaev was forced to throw it in due to a badly swollen left eye. There is now speculation that Cotto will move up to 147, and possibly fight De La Hoya, although there are other potential fights with Zab Judah ( a great fight to have in NY ) , Corey Spinks and Shane Mosley.
Either way Cotto is great for the sport, he has knockout power, a nation of fight fans behind him and he's classy in and out of the ring.
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Nice column in the Bergen Record today about Arturo Gatti:
http://northjersey.com/page.php?qstr...VFeXk2NzEwNzU3
I hope he rearranges Mayweather's face this Saturday!
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Awesome fight tomorrow:
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/?ntrack_pa...ategory2_show2
Jersey STAND UP!!!!
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mayweather is going too have to get a new nickname after gatti gets through with him.
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I'm worried that Mayweather will do a Winky Wright impression.
He'd already hit Hatton low three times by the time Hatton hit him back. It didn't make any difference to the outcome of the fight.
Two rounds gone and Gatti is getting a boxing lesson.
EDIT : Wow. Poor Gatti. Mayweather was spectacular.
Wow. Gatti could mount nothing.
My goodness how come i never knew who mayweather is before this fight, hes amazing.
Gatti was taken to school. Mayweather was just do damn fast, he was in would land a jab or two and a hard straight right hand and get back out before Gatti even considered throwin a punch.
On a side note I thought the Vivian Harris/Maussa fight was also quite entertaining
lolmayweather is going too have to get a new nickname after gatti gets through with him.
im so happy mayweather handled this bum i expected nothing less though from the best PFP fighter
His punches were pitter patters that went a little low. Hatton's was a clear cheap shot and he hit him as hard as he could. It definitely made a difference.
As for Mayweather-Gatti, I have to say I'm dissapointed. That was one of the most dominating boxing matches I have ever seen. I HATE HATE HATE PBF. Who can beat him is the question... Cotto? Hatton? Maybe Corrales in a rematch? Hatton has no chance. I think Cotto has a legit chance. Corrales is my man and I think he could also beat him, but who knows... Mayweather is f*cking ridiculous.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Calling Gatti a bum is just stupid. Gatti is the f*cking man who lost to a much more talented fighter who also happens to be a f*cking prick.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Yes, a very good fight. Harris was a HUGE dissapointment in that fight though. Jesus, the guy finally gets his chance on PPV and screws it all up. He had been complaining for years about not being on PPV and look what happens. Poor bastard.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Gatti is not a bum, and Gatti has done more for the sport than that very talented a**wipe Mayweather has ever done. Gatti is all class and if Pretty Boy Floyd had an ounce of the class Gatti does he could almost be boxing's Michael Jordan, and bring the sport closer to the where it belongs, at the forefront of American sports. PBF can thank GATTI for the 3.1 million he made and the 13,000 that showed up in AC...Mayweather could not sell out a VFW hall on his own until now. Mayweather can thank GATTI for all his future PPV buys, because without the notoriety that he gained by being the bad guy in this fight nobody would give a damn about him. PBF knows this, and that's why he was all respectful of Gatti after the fight.
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This is exactly what I was talking about in my previous post...PBF should give Gatti a cut of the PPV fights he will be getting now that millions of people will want to watch him fight ( most of them want to see him lose ) based on the Gatti fight.
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Mayweather at 140 will rule the division...I don't see him losing unless he moves up in weight and bites of more than he can chew. Cotto would get KTFO by Mayweather at this point, he's just not ready yet although down the road I think Cotto could test him. Hatton vs would be interesting because of his smothering style, but I think he would tire of chasing PBF around the ring and lose on a decision. Now if he moves up to welterweight (147), that's another story because there are guys like Zab Judah, Corey Spinks, Antonio Margarito and Shane Mosley up there. I could definitely see SSM or Zab giving PBF a run for his money.
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He did that and alot more...Gatti would have been better if the fight was at 147...Floyd was too fast at 140.
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Nobody throws pitter patter punches in a championship fight. Both guys threw low blows on purpose, Hatton only after being hit low several times. Tszyu had already had a lot taken out of him. He had a bruise on his brain two weeks after the fight. Hatton would be a different fight altogether for Mayweather. Gatti tried to box him, which was a disaster waiting to happen. He made Mayweather look a lot better than he actually is. Hatton would be in Mayweather's face constantly. He might not win, but he'd make a fight of it, unlike Gatti. It would be like the first Duran-Leonard fight. Corrales doesn't have the power at light welter, and has been in a lot of wars now. He doesn't have a lot left, and already turned down a chance to fight Hatton.
I agree that of all the 140 lb fighters out there right now, Hatton would give Floyd the biggest test because of his style but I seriously doubt Hatton would win a fight with PBF, because of PBFs excellent defensive skills. I don't think Hatton would be able to put together combinations and then he would be chasing him around the ring all night trying to knock him on his ass and get tired and lose on points. That would be an excellent fight though, especially if they get it in England, or even MSG. But it would be an excellent fight for the fans either way I believe.
Gatti was just not ready for the fight...I don't know if struggling to make weight like he did took something out of ATG, but I know for damn sure Gatti is a better fighter than what he showed. Even if Gatti had gone back to the warrior, I still think he would have gotten hit 10 times for every time he hit PBF. It's all pointless speculation but I believe ATG would have had a better showing at 147.
Corrales is interesting but I think he would get frustrated by Floyd, drop his hands and get KTFO just like he did the last time, and like he almost did vs Juan Luis Castillo. If Corrales would fight smart for once and stick to his game plan he could test PBF and many other fighters out there but Corrales is impatient and then the same thing would happen to him that happened in the first bout.
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To be honest, I only remember the low blow right before Hatton threw his. Tszyu's didn't look intentional and didn't look like that big of a deal. Hatton's was murder! I mean, the guy put all his might into one punch right to the balls. That would kill.
Fair point, but I think PBF would beat Hatton, especially if Hatton wasn't fighting in front of his home crowd. Corrales needs a long vacation after his last fight, which might have been the best fight I've ever seen.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
The sneaky punches can hurt a lot worse than a full on punch to the balls. If the cup in your protector is moved down or sideways really quickly, you can imagine it can make your eyes water a little. Corrales was in one of the best fights ever, but I think he'll have problems moving up a weight, although he's built like a smaller version of Tommy Hearns, so you never know. He doesn't have Hearns-like power even at lightweight though, so at light welter he's going to struggle.
LOL ok
Since when is Arturo Gatti not a bum???
Since when is the same man that was nearly Ko'd by Gabe Ruelas, Wilson Rodriguez, Angel Manfreddy who are far from heavy hitters not a bum???Since when has Gatti been some sort of monster Ko'ing the lights out of world class opposition? Every time he has stepped up he has been beat ranging from Manfreddy to De La Hoya. Even feather fisted Ivan Robinson hurt Gatti and schooled him consecutively
LOL Floyd would destroy hatton
God help him!
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No bum sells out Boardwalk Hall in AC every time he fights there. Floyd couldn't sell out a VFW hall before the fight. That "bum" Gatti is the reason why your boy Floyd had his first EVER PPV fight. Is Gatti world class? No, but you are straight up wrong if you think he's a bum.
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And there is a new undisputed Middleweight Champ! Jermain Taylor beat Bernard Hopkins last night in a 12 round split decision. Taylor did his thing in the first half of the fight, and then Hopkins turned it up in the later rounds. The story:
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/index
I thought Taylor would win, but I didn't think he would win a split decision in Vegas over a champion, I thought the only way Taylor would win was if Hop got KTFO. But Taylor definitely deserves it, and there will most likely be a rematch down the road.
Also, a Pacquiao - Morales rematch has been tentatively scheduled for December provided they both win preliminary matches, something that should not be a problem for them.
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Great fight (at last). Hopkins waited too long to mount something and that just won't cut it in Vegas (De La Hoya comes to mind). I love how Hopkins always fights his fight, though.
I also think that his age came into play as some of those right counter punches would have sent Taylor down a few years ago.
Taylor has incredible raw power. He still has holes in game, though and Hopkins may be able to get him in the rematch.
I had the fight even. I gave the 4th and 6th (if I remember correctly) along with the 9th throught 12th to Hopkins. One of the judges gave the 12th round to Taylor and that is what cost Hopkins the loss. That was an absolutely terrible decision. I like Taylor a lot but I don't think he won this fight.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
I would have agreed with a draw and it should have been a draw, but BHop definitely didn't win the fight cut and dry. They score it round by round and I can't see anyone giving the early rounds to Hopkins, he was doing nothing until the 6th round.
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Yeah. I was mistaken earlier. I gave the 5th and 7th to Hopkins, not the 4th and 6th.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Taylor won it in the early rounds, but Hopkins had him figured out in the second half of the fight and almost stopped him. Hopkins will win the rematch.
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