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    After vacillating a bit, I'm picking Cotto by 10th round TKO. This is the most in-shape I've ever seen Cotto and I don't think Pacquiao is taking this fight as seriously as he should.

    Pacquiao does have the speed to trouble Cotto immensely and Cotto will get hit -- but it's a matter of how Cotto will react to the punches. And despite Pacquiao's explosive style, he will also get hit and I think that he'll slow down in the later rounds, enough for Cotto to pull off the upset. We haven't seen Pacquiao's chin tested since he was fighting Juan Manuel Marquez at 130. Miguel Cotto will test Pacquiao's chin, that's for sure.

    The thing is, I still don't know how much the Margarito fight took out of Cotto. But we'll see Saturday night. The media and casual sports fans are underrating Cotto big time. There are some guys like Zab Judah who suffer one loss and their mentality might never be the same again; Cotto's not like that. If anyone could bounce back from a loss, it would be the Puerto Rican.

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    I love Cotto in this fight. He's just the much bigger man. We'll see though - should be an awesome fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan
    I love Cotto in this fight. He's just the much bigger man. We'll see though - should be an awesome fight.
    We'll see if Miguel Cotto shocks the boxing world or will Manny Pacquiao become the first boxer in boxing history to win a World title in seven different weight classes.

    Rui says Cotto over Pacquiao via 10th Round TKO.

    I say Pacquiao over Cotto via 10th Round TKO.
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    How many undercard matches are left?
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    Fighters in the ring..time to switch the fight on fellas.
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    Manny is incredible to watch. Hopefully he wins this fight after really controlling it to this point.
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    Pacquiao-Mayweather next? pretty please?

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    Mayweather won't fight him.

    That would be the first fight in a while that I'd be willing to buy in my own home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
    Mayweather won't fight him.

    That would be the first fight in a while that I'd be willing to buy in my own home.
    Floyd has a big ego, he has to beat Manny to be crowned as the best of this generation.
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    Floyd wants a bigger share of the purse, that fight can happen if it's an even split 50-50 but he's such a primadonna that he'll most likely demand 60-40.

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    I just came back from watching the fight.

    Congratulations Pambansang Kamao Manny 'Pacman' Pacquiao. The first boxer in boxing history to win a world title in seven different weight classes with his win over Miguel Cotto for the WBO Welterweight title.

    I had it 9 rounds to 2 for Manny Pacquiao before the 12th round stoppage.

    Pacquiao's speed, ring generalship and his ever improving right hand scored two knockdowns and the stoppage.

    It wasn't the patented and lethal straight left hand through the middle that scored the knockdowns.

    It was a right hook in Round 3 and a left uppercut in Round 4 that scored the knockdowns.

    Cotto never gave up and showed heart, but Pacquiao's speed was too much.

    By Round 6, Cotto was getting beaten up and his face was similar to his controversial loss to 'The Tijuana Tornado' Antonio Margarito with his face sliced and diced.

    Cotto's wife Melissa and son Miguel Jr. even left the ring area after seeing Cotto getting beat up to a pulp.

    Pacquiao neutralized Cotto's jab in the later rounds and Cotto wants to find a place to hide.

    The thing that caught my attention was Cotto's trainer Joe Santiago telling Cotto "one more round, one more round" after Round 10 or 11. I was like "HUH?!?!" Cotto's face was an absolute mess and he took a ton of punishment and yet, Santiago wants to keep sending Cotto out there?! And finally in Round 12, Santiago threw in the towel.

    At least I can say that Manny Pacquiao beat Miguel Cotto legally unlike Margarito being under suspicion for plaster of Paris in his handwraps.

    What's next for Manny? The fans chanted, "WE WANT FLOYD" in regards to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    But congrats Manny on winning another world title in a different weight class.

    And also, get well soon Z Gorres.

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    Well that answers two questions for me. First off, Manny Pacquiao can take the punches of a real welterweight and he appears to be faster than ever. From about round 6 onwards, Pacquiao was completely dominant. Fantastic win.

    Second question answered was that Miguel Cotto is not the same fighter he was pre-Margarito. Could a Miguel Cotto circa 2007 have defeated Manny Pacquiao? I personally think so; it's really depressing seeing how much Cotto fell off since the beating at the loaded hands of Margarito. It's even more depressing knowing that Margarito's going to get his license renewed soon.

    I hope Cotto retires. He's given us some great fights and remains my favorite fighter. Pacquiao/Mayweather could potentially do 2.5 million buys. It would be bigger than De La Hoya/Mayweather in my opinion and would determine who the greatest fighter of our generation is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rui
    Well that answers two questions for me. First off, Manny Pacquiao can take the punches of a real welterweight and he appears to be faster than ever. From about round 6 onwards, Pacquiao was completely dominant. Fantastic win.

    Second question answered was that Miguel Cotto is not the same fighter he was pre-Margarito. Could a Miguel Cotto circa 2007 have defeated Manny Pacquiao? I personally think so; it's really depressing seeing how much Cotto fell off since the beating at the loaded hands of Margarito. It's even more depressing knowing that Margarito's going to get his license renewed soon.

    I hope Cotto retires. He's given us some great fights and remains my favorite fighter. Pacquiao/Mayweather could potentially do 2.5 million buys. It would be bigger than De La Hoya/Mayweather in my opinion and would determine who the greatest fighter of our generation is.
    If Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. agree to the fight, tickets will be sold out in 3 minutes.

    It's the current Pound-For-Pound King and Manny Pacquiao who has a world title in seven different weight classes vs. another and Floyd Mayweather Jr. who is 40-0 and wants to be back as the Pound-For-Pound King.
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    It's hard not to like Manny Pacquiao. He is so good and so humble.

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    Manny's not even as conditioned as Cotto. He's trained for what 2-3 months prior compared to Cotto.

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    Okay boxing fans,

    There is one more fight to complete Group Stage 1 of the Super Six World Boxing Classic and it's from Oakland, California Live on Saturday, November 21st on Showtime.

    It's the Viking Warrior from Denmark and current WBA Super Middleweight champion Mikkel Kessler taking on hometown boxer and Light Heavyweight gold medalist in the 2004 Athens Olympics, Andre Ward.

    I hope Andre Ward wins the tournament.
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    Re: Boxing, anyone?

    pacman is a monster! I had initially thought Cotto was going to be a tough opponent, wow was I wrong.

    Cotto did not look comfortable in that ring.. with exception of the 1st round.

    I like the class displayed by Cotto in acknowledging that Manny was one of the best fighters he'd ever laced up against.

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    I think Floyd owes it to the boxing fans and the sport to not back down....and face Pacquiao. Its a career-defining fight for both guys. Floyd's ego wants him to go down as the greatest fighter ever--well if he wants to be in that discussion he cant run away from Manny. Its this generation's Hagler/Leonard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
    Mayweather won't fight him.

    That would be the first fight in a while that I'd be willing to buy in my own home.
    Normally I would agree, but this is an unavoidable fight...Pac's camp has taken the offensive in making it happen. Floyd doesn't want to lose the massive amount of credibility and dollars would that fly out the window by not making this fight.

    What a dominating performance. How do you train to stop a guy that can hit you from anywhere at seemingly any time? As soon as Cotto opened up, it was like he was gettting hit by ten different people. The jab worked, but there was no plan b for Cotto. Pacquiao was all over him and I think he could have ended at any time from round 9 on.

    I think the fact that Cotto fired his trainer had as much to do with him getting dominated as the dirty cheating f***er Margarito. It reminded me of when Tito Trinidad fought Hopkins, and landed something like 50 punches the whole fight. Not that it would have changed the result, but there was no technical instruction, just emotional appeals to Tito's toughness. Much like last night with Cotto's corner.

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    Floyd responds to the superfight talk:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/11...ther.reaction/

    He's trying to set it up so that he gets a bigger share...I don't see how that's going to or should happen though. At this point, Pacquiao is as big a draw. It may be wishful thinking but any purse should be an even split.
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    Floyd does an excellent job of making me dislike him - and I actually have enjoyed him a ton up to this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlsDontTearDownY.S.
    I think the fact that Cotto fired his trainer had as much to do with him getting dominated as the dirty cheating f***er Margarito. It reminded me of when Tito Trinidad fought Hopkins, and landed something like 50 punches the whole fight. Not that it would have changed the result, but there was no technical instruction, just emotional appeals to Tito's toughness. Much like last night with Cotto's corner.

    Yeah I'm more of a casual boxing fan but the contrast between the two corners was evident. The only thing resembling instruction that I heard out of Cotto's corner was "jab" or "keep jabbing" - and that's even right before the start of the 12th round when clearly he needed to hit a homerun. Other than that it was "I'm gonna let you go one more" for 3 straight rounds or his corner not saying sh*t and simply deferring to Cotto. Compare that to Pacquiao where Freddie Roach clearly was an active participant in the gameplan. Roach seems to live up to Pacquiao calling him his "master" whereas Joe Santiago appears to be a guy just hanging out in Cotto's corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlsDontTearDownY.S.
    Floyd responds to the superfight talk:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/11...ther.reaction/

    He's trying to set it up so that he gets a bigger share...I don't see how that's going to or should happen though. At this point, Pacquiao is as big a draw. It may be wishful thinking but any purse should be an even split.
    It will be like Oscar De La Hoya-Manny Pacquiao and Pacquiao-Ricky Hatton. A lot of negotiating and then the fight is called off and back on again.

    I say either 50-50 or 52% for Floyd-48% for Manny should do the trick.
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    Manny totally reminded me of Ali when he did the rope-a-dope (started leaning on the ropes and let Cotto punched him) which is something he has never done before. During the interview he said he was testing his power. He could take a punch although I wanted him to get out of there.



    52%-48% would be fair

    Realistically, 55%-Floyd 45%-Manny may do it. But who knows with Floyd.

    EDIT: Screw Floyd, Manny should really demand a fair 50-50 split. He earned it
    Last edited by Vin; 11-16-09 at 10:06 PM.

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    Pacquiao is not taking less than 50% as well he shouldn't. This fight will get made after some lengthy negotiations with each fighter getting 50/50.

    They'll eventually realize it's really not hard splitting a $60 million combined purse.

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    Manny Pacquiao called out Floyd Mayweather Jr. on Halloween.

    Now, Floyd calls out the Pacman

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spor...is-golden.html

    "Manny Pacquiao is the fighter and every time someone asks him if he wants to fight me, he says it is up to my promoter ... ," Mayweather said in the statement. "I have yet to hear him actually say, 'Yes, I want to fight Mayweather.' We are the fighters and if one fighter is talking about fighting another fighter, then they should just come out and say it. Manny Pacquiao doesn't say anything directly about fighting me because he might just know it's not a fight he can win."

    That qualifies as calling Pacquiao out.

    Defensive specialist Mayweather criticized Pacquiao for saying "Money" only cares about cash and not producing entertaining fights.

    "Why is he talking about what I won't do instead of what he wants to do?" Mayweather asked in the statement. "Plain and simple, it's because he knows he can't beat me under any circumstances.

    "Less than an hour after his fight, ... the talk turns to me. Their whole promotion was just a Mayweather sweepstakes. ... The world is much more intrigued by the thought of someone fighting me who can beat me. ... Manny Pacquiao's people have done a good job of creating an image of him to be this unbelievable fighter and now the so-called guy to beat me. But like all the rest, he's not the one.

    "Tell Manny Pacquiao to be his own man and stop letting everyone, including his loudmouth trainer, talk for him. If Manny Pacquiao wants to fight me, all he has to do is step up to the plate and say it himself."

    Pacquiao wasn't immediately available Monday.

    His promoter Bob Arum declined to discuss the beginning of negotiations, and said he's urging those around his company to keep quiet publicly.

    "The one way this will be upset and not happen if it is negotiated through the newspapers," Arum told The Times Monday. "All I want to say is that my guy [Pacquiao] has said, 'We're here, we're ready to fight Mayweather.' "
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    Re: Boxing, anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
    Manny Pacquiao called out Floyd Mayweather Jr. on Halloween.

    Now, Floyd calls out the Pacman

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spor...is-golden.html
    His reason is so weak that I don't know what to say. It seems that he is finding excue NOT to fight with Pacquia.

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    After 55 fights in his career, Manny Pacquiao has 50 wins (38 by Knockout) and a world title in 7 different weight divisions.

    People have been asking me this question, "Is his win over Miguel Cotto for the WBO Welterweight title, the best win of his boxing career"?

    That is a very good question. In terms of history making, I say yes. However, in terms of career defining? I say no.

    Here is how I rank the Top 5 Manny Pacquiao wins.

    1. 2003-11-15 vs. Marco Antonio Barrera - Ring Magazine World Featherweight Title.
    Why? To me, this Pacquiao win over Barrera and in dominating fashion started the Pacquiao legendary craze. Manny Pacquiao being a two-time major World Champion at the time moving up to 126 and took Barrera apart to shreds. Many including myself could argue that if Pacquiao didn't win this fight, none of these successes would've existed.

    2. 2009-11-14 vs. Miguel Cotto - WBO Welterweight Title and WBC Diamond Belt
    Why? Pacquiao's big test at 135 or above and he came through beautifully against a prime and totally skilled Cotto. First boxer in boxing history to win seven World titles in seven different weight classes.

    3. 2008-03-15 vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - WBC and Ring Magazine World Super Featherweight Title
    Why? This win over Dinamita started Pacquiao's assent towards history and the moniker as the Henry 'Hank' Armstrong of this era. It was a close and exciting fight that ended in Pacquiao's favor via split decision. This win is also special for the Pacman because he's the first Asian boxer to win three major World titles in three different weight classes, four overall at the time.

    4. 2006-01-21 vs. Erik Morales - WBC International Super Featherweight Title
    Why? The second fight vs. El Terible showed Manny Pacquiao's accelerating learning curve as a boxer. Pacquiao showed his skills and intelligence as a two-handed fighter.

    5. 2001-06-23 vs. Lehlohonolo Ledwaba - IBF World Super Bantamweight Title
    Why? Manny's first fight on U.S. soil as a late replacement and he burst onto the scene in dominating fashion.
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    I disagree. Manny Pacquiao did not beat a prime Cotto. Thanks to the beatdown at the loaded gloves of Margarito, we only saw a glimpse of a prime Cotto against the likes of Mosley and Gomez.

    It's sad watching the Cotto from the Clottey/Pacquiao fights and comparing him to the Cotto of the Mosley fight; you can tell that Cotto's combinations weren't as crisp, weren't thrown with as much velocity, and weren't as fluid.

    Pacquiao deserves credit for beating Cotto, but that was not a prime Cotto. I think if you watched Cotto/Mosley again and then watched Cotto/Clottey and Cotto/Pacquiao, you'd agree as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rui
    I disagree. Manny Pacquiao did not beat a prime Cotto. Thanks to the beatdown at the loaded gloves of Margarito, we only saw a glimpse of a prime Cotto against the likes of Mosley and Gomez.

    It's sad watching the Cotto from the Clottey/Pacquiao fights and comparing him to the Cotto of the Mosley fight; you can tell that Cotto's combinations weren't as crisp, weren't thrown with as much velocity, and weren't as fluid.

    Pacquiao deserves credit for beating Cotto, but that was not a prime Cotto. I think if you watched Cotto/Mosley again and then watched Cotto/Clottey and Cotto/Pacquiao, you'd agree as well.
    Well, I respect your opinion.

    Okay Rui...

    Have you watched the Super Six Middleweight Boxing Classic on Showtime?

    If so, who do you think is going to win.

    I want Andre Ward to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
    Well, I respect your opinion.

    Okay Rui...

    Have you watched the Super Six Middleweight Boxing Classic on Showtime?

    If so, who do you think is going to win.

    I want Andre Ward to win.
    I make Kessler the favorite in the tournament. It's a really cool concept, but Jermain Taylor should've never been in the tournament in the first place. Bute should've been there instead.

    Going in, I ranked the contestants as:

    1.) Kessler
    2.) Abraham
    3.) Dirrell
    4.) Ward
    5.) Froch
    6.) Taylor

    We'll see what happens after Saturday. Should be a great fight.

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    If Floyd and Manny ever meet I would pick Floyd by a late round TKO.
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    Hasn't Manny proven anything yet...Manny at 80% will BEAT COTTO in his prime.



    Manny already matched Mayweather's speed, beaten his last three opponents because of his speed and according to Roach, floyd's body is weak so all Pac would have to do is give him a lot of body shots.

    I have a lot of confidence in Roach's predictions and he's been very accurate the last few fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vin
    Hasn't Manny proven anything yet...Manny at 80% will BEAT COTTO in his prime.



    Manny already matched Mayweather's speed, beaten his last three opponents because of his speed and according to Roach, floyd's body is weak so all Pac would have to do is give him a lot of body shots.

    I have a lot of confidence in Roach's predictions and he's been very accurate the last few fights.
    LMAO. Where do you get this Manny at 80% beat Cotto?

    The Cotto fight just confirms that Floyd decisions Pacquiao. Cotto, when he was on the retreat, was consistently nailing Pacquiao. Floyd is just going to backpedal and potshot Pacquiao to a decision win. If I can recall, the last time Pacquiao faced a skilled counterpuncher (though nowhere near as good as Mayweather), he got a decision that a lot of people thought he lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rui
    LMAO. Where do you get this Manny at 80% beat Cotto?

    The Cotto fight just confirms that Floyd decisions Pacquiao. Cotto, when he was on the retreat, was consistently nailing Pacquiao. Floyd is just going to backpedal and potshot Pacquiao to a decision win. If I can recall, the last time Pacquiao faced a skilled counterpuncher (though nowhere near as good as Mayweather), he got a decision that a lot of people thought he lost.
    But I also recall that Manny Pacquiao knocked down that skilled counterpuncher.

    Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez was a close and exciting fight that people still talk about and a lot of people still say that he lost the fight, but with that knockdown in Round 3, Manny just had that little extra to get the decision going his way.

    Anyways Rui and Vin, I really don't like making predictions until the fight has been officially signed so I'll wait for Manny's next opponent and then make a decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rui
    LMAO. Where do you get this Manny at 80% beat Cotto?
    This from someone who predicted DelaHoya, Hatton, etc..etc... trumps Manny.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rui
    The Cotto fight just confirms that Floyd decisions Pacquiao. Cotto, when he was on the retreat, was consistently nailing Pacquiao. Floyd is just going to backpedal and potshot Pacquiao to a decision win. If I can recall, the last time Pacquiao faced a skilled counterpuncher (though nowhere near as good as Mayweather), he got a decision that a lot of people thought he lost.
    Just confirms to YOU.

    Sure that was close, Manny knocked him down during that fight and what happened when he face Marquez the first time? he knocked him down three times and that was ruled a draw.

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    Re: Boxing, anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rui
    I make Kessler the favorite in the tournament. It's a really cool concept, but Jermain Taylor should've never been in the tournament in the first place. Bute should've been there instead.

    Going in, I ranked the contestants as:

    1.) Kessler
    2.) Abraham
    3.) Dirrell
    4.) Ward
    5.) Froch
    6.) Taylor

    We'll see what happens after Saturday. Should be a great fight.
    I had the same thing, but I switched Andrew Ward and Andre Dirrell around.

    It's a nice concept. I wish every weight class does this once in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vin
    This from someone who predicted DelaHoya, Hatton, etc..etc... trumps Manny.
    I thought De La Hoya would beat Pacquiao like most people. I never picked Hatton to beat Pacquiao; I thought Pacquiao would knock Hatton out.

    But that has nothing to do with your claim that Pacquiao at 80% beat a prime Cotto. That's two foolish claims rolled up into one sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vin
    Just confirms to YOU.

    Sure that was close, Manny knocked him down during that fight and what happened when he face Marquez the first time? he knocked him down three times and that was ruled a draw.
    Yeah, you forgot to mention the part where Marquez basically schooled Pacquiao for 8 out of the next 11 rounds following the 3 knockdowns in the first round of their first match.

    And Max Kellerman, Bob Papa, and Lennox Lewis all scored the fight in favor of Marquez in the rematch as well as writers such as Dan Rafael and Kevin Iole and ESPN boxing figures like Brian Kenny. If you polled 100 objective boxing fans rather than Pacquiao fans, you'd find that more people scored the fight for Marquez. Doesn't change the outcome, but it enhances Marquez' legacy slightly more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
    But I also recall that Manny Pacquiao knocked down that skilled counterpuncher.

    Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez was a close and exciting fight that people still talk about and a lot of people still say that he lost the fight, but with that knockdown in Round 3, Manny just had that little extra to get the decision going his way.
    One knockdown is essentially meaningless when your opponent wins 7 rounds.

    Both you and Vin are Pacquiao fans from what I can tell, so I can expect you to argue that Pacquiao won. It was a close fight, yes. But public opinion (Pacquiao fans aside) believe that Marquez should've gotten the decision. I picked Pacquiao to win the fight and I ended up scoring the fight 115-112 for Marquez.

    Marquez showed that a skilled counterpuncher who may not have good speed can still give Pacquiao a lot of trouble. Mayweather is more skilled than Marquez, is faster, hits harder, is bigger, and is just as intelligent and able to adapt in the ring. Plus, his safety first, potshotting style is a nightmare for someone like Pacquiao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rui
    One knockdown is essentially meaningless when your opponent wins 7 rounds.

    Both you and Vin are Pacquiao fans from what I can tell, so I can expect you to argue that Pacquiao won. It was a close fight, yes. But public opinion (Pacquiao fans aside) believe that Marquez should've gotten the decision. I picked Pacquiao to win the fight and I ended up scoring the fight 115-112 for Marquez.

    Marquez showed that a skilled counterpuncher who may not have good speed can still give Pacquiao a lot of trouble. Mayweather is more skilled than Marquez, is faster, hits harder, is bigger, and is just as intelligent and able to adapt in the ring. Plus, his safety first, potshotting style is a nightmare for someone like Pacquiao.
    I respect your take Rui.

    I'm just telling you about the knockdown from Tom Miller's point of view, the one judge who scored it 114-113 for Manny Pacquiao that night on that fight.
    Sometimes, a judge can give the close fight to a fighter who scored the knockdown. That fight could've gone either way.

    As for Juan Manuel Marquez, he did give Manny Pacquiao problems with his skilled counterpunching and if Floyd Mayweather Jr. does face off against the Pacman, I do agree on your take that PBF can give the Filipino slugger a very tough fight. PBF longer reach can give Pacquiao problems.

    But in my mind, in order to beat Pacquiao, you need to lead AND counter against him and then follow it up with more blows and come forward after hitting the counter and force Pacquiao to go back straight. That's how Erik Morales beat Pacquiao in the first fight of their trilogy.

    Morales used his jab to neutralize Pacquiao's aggression and then he followed with more blows and came forward forcing Pacquiao to go back straight.
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    Re: Boxing, anyone?

    Hatton-Marquez in the works?
    http://www.fightnews.com/?p=29792

    After reading this, I'm asking myself, is Ricky 'Hitman' Hatton nuts? Juan Manuel Marquez still has some good fights left in him. Hatton? No.

    Why? One, Hatton is not a counterpuncher and two, will he turn to Floyd Mayweather Sr. after PBF Sr. said, "Hatton should retire" after his devastating knockout loss to Manny Pacquiao?!

    And even though Marquez is a counterpuncher, he has power in both hands that can connect to Hatton's fragile jaw.
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    Re: Boxing, anyone?

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    Re: Boxing, anyone?

    Pacquiao-Cotto outdraws Mayweather-Marquez at gate
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxin...ing-gate_N.htm

    New Golden Boy: Pacquiao PPV TV outpoints Mayweather
    http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-NY-Bo...int-Mayweather

    Pacquiao-Cotto: 2 million buys?
    http://www.fightnews.com/?p=29735
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    Re: Boxing, anyone?

    Yuri Foreman Would Be Happy To Give Manny Pacquiao Crack At Title No. 8
    http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...o-crack-title/
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    Re: Boxing, anyone?

    Well, it was a one-sided affair at the Oracle Arena in Oakland, CA.

    Andre Ward adds the WBA Super Middleweight title to his 2004 Olympic Gold Medal as the Oakland native dominated Danish boxer Mikkel Kessler via Technical Decision.

    The fight was stopped due to a cut in the 11th round.
    Ward dominated Kessler whose face was busted up by unintentional headbutts and punches. Scores were 97-93, 98-92, 98-92.
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    "Floyd and me want to see if we can get the fight done," said Schaefer, who, although he doesn't have a promotional contract with Mayweather, has represented him in his past three fights and was asked to represent him in these talks. "The fact that I am flying to Las Vegas to meet with Bob shows you how serious our side is about making the fight.

    "Bob and I will approach this without egos and try to get it done under fair terms. Floyd gave me his marching orders and I will see today how it goes and report back."
    What a joke. How hard is it to say "50-50," Floyd?

    He's definitely scared of Pacquiao at this point. The 24/7 of this, should it happen, is going to be must-see-tv.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rui
    I thought De La Hoya would beat Pacquiao like most people. I never picked Hatton to beat Pacquiao; I thought Pacquiao would knock Hatton out.

    But that has nothing to do with your claim that Pacquiao at 80% beat a prime Cotto. That's two foolish claims rolled up into one sentence.
    I was referring to the Manny that beat Cotto. He wasn't 100 percent conditioned, that number is just an approximation. I still stand by what I said, that Manny will beat prime Cotto.

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    Re: Boxing, anyone?

    Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather bout closer?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...=ESPNHeadlines
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    Re: Boxing, anyone?

    No controversy this time: Luciano Bute knocks out Librado Andrade in the 4th round.
    http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...ets-gift-draw/
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    Nobody here to discuss Mayweather/Pacquiao?!?!
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