Indeed! If only PBF were more like Manny. Instead he's talking about MMA and a ho hum rematch with the washed up ODLH.Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55

Indeed! If only PBF were more like Manny. Instead he's talking about MMA and a ho hum rematch with the washed up ODLH.Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
Dem ol' grimy Jets...
Pacquiao hasn't faced an elite opponent since his first fight with Morales. He's finally stepping up against Marquez.
If you want fighters who fights the best, look no further than the middleweight division. Guys like Pavlik, Wright, Taylor, and Miranda. They're what boxing should be about.
I do too but I fear the result will be similar to the first fight.Originally Posted by Rui
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Well, Roy Jones Jr. defeats Felix Trinidad via 12-round Unanimous Decision last night from Madison Square Garden in NYC.
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box...?urn=box,62593
Trinidad was in the fight in the first four rounds, but Jones Jr. took over scoring knockdowns in the 7th and 10th rounds.
Hmmmmmm, A Jones Jr. v. Joe Calzaghe matchup?
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns
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Up next on HBO PPV Boxing: Kelly Pavlik v. Jermain Taylor II.
SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 2008 AT 9 PM ET/ 6 PM PT
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, NV
12 rd. 166lb middleweight bout
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Agreed on the middleweights. Also, watch a solid crop of middleweights to super middleweights like Felix Sturm and Sakio Baia. The Contender, boxing's Reality TV show, has also produced some stars.Originally Posted by Rui
As for the Pacman, defeat Juan Manuel Marquez on March 15, then you defeated three of Mexico's greatest world champions. He has scalps on Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales.
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Pac's in LA now, starting his 8-week preparation against JMM. Although JMM already got a headstart, I expect Pac to use his speed and footwork rather than fight toe to toe with a slower Marquez.
March 16 Manila Time - Vacation from office - filed.![]()
Let's go for #28! A-Rod for 2010 AL MVP!
Calzaghe, Hopkins set light heavyweight bout for April in Vegas
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=3209744
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HBO Boxing After Dark:
Alexander Povetkin defeats Eddie Chambers via unanimous decision. Povetkin will face the winner of Wladimir Klitschko v. Sultan Ibragimov for the heavyweight championship.
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...nt_update.html
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Kermit Cintron gets chance to avenge loss to Antonio Margarito on April 12.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=3215318
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HBO Boxing in February
HBO: Boxing After Dark
PAUL WILLIAMS vs CARLOS QUINTANA and ANDRE BERTO vs MICHEL TRABANT
Feburary 9, 9:45 ET/PT
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...ouncement.html
HBO PPV Boxing
KELLY PAVLIK vs JERMAIN TAYLOR II
Feburary 16, 9 PM ET/6 PM PT
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...ouncement.html
HBO World Championship Boxing
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO vs SULTAN IBRAGIMOV
12-Round Unification Heavyweight Championship Bout
Feburary 23, 9:30 PM ET/6:30 PM PT
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...ouncement.html
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That will be a boring fight.Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
They weren't different circumstances at all. They were exactly the same circumstances. Cortez broke them while one or both was punching a lot of times in the first four rounds. Cortez broke them 40 times in the first three rounds. In the fifth round they were only broken four times and Hatton won the round. Thomas Hauser, the guy who wrote the definitive Muhammad Ali book agrees with me. He says Cortez should be retired. He really ruined the chance of an epic fight. Floyd still would have won but it would have been a classic. Never mind.Originally Posted by Rui
That's because they weren't punching while in a clinch...Originally Posted by English Yankee
I don't fault Cortez at all. It wouldn't have been a classic fight anyways. Their styles result in nothing but an ugly fight each time out.
No, there were endless times that one or both was punching and Cortez broke them. Watch the fight, which could have been one of the best big fights for years.Originally Posted by Rui
I watched the fight a few times, and your claim is a clear exaggeration.Originally Posted by English Yankee
And by the way, both Hatton and Mayweather's styles are awful when mixed together. Nobody expected the fight to be a fight of the year; it was expected to be an ugly fight from the beginning.
Anyone seen the show, Pros vs. Joes on Spike TV last night?
Arturo Gatti was there schooling the contestants in the boxing ring with 3 knockdowns. One of the two contestants was stopped. The other survived a round.
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Nah I missed it. I've seen Gatti in person...were the guys he was blasting around his size? He's by no means a big dude...Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
Dem ol' grimy Jets...
I bet Gatti was thinking throughout the whole session, "So that's how Floyd felt when he fought against me."
No exaggeration at all :Originally Posted by Rui
To get inside, Hatton had to navigate his way past Mayweather’s fists and also Floyd’s left elbow. Once inside, he was frequently fouled. Mayweather was allowed to go low; hold; and use his head, forearms and elbows as offensive weapons. Often, Ricky maneuvered into position to work effectively and Cortez broke the fighters even though Hatton was still punching. By breaking them prematurely again and again, the referee denied Ricky the chance to impose his physical strength and forced him to fight much of the battle at long range. That, in turn, exposed him to Floyd’s potshots as he tried to work his way back in again.
In the first round, Cortez broke the fighters eleven times; many of them when one or both men had an arm free and was punching. From there, it got worse; thirteen times in round two and fourteen in round three.
“Fair but firm” is a nice concept. But on the night of December 8th, Cortez wasn’t. Let’s be charitable and say that the usually capable referee had a bad night. Let’s also acknowledge that no other major sport has officials who bring their own arbitrary interpretation of the rules to their job to the degree that boxing does. The sport needs a new generation of referees, and the Nevada State Athletic Commission should take the lead in training them.
http://secondsout.com/USA/colhauser....s=208&cs=23485
Exactly who is "nobody," hmmm ?
Here's the clip of Arturo Gatti on Pros vs. Joes.Originally Posted by PlsDontTearDownY.S.
http://www.spike.com/episode/25846/startsWith/2936579
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Did you even research this or did you just copy and paste it? I watched the first round and Cortez broke up the fighters when most referees would do the same. And by most referees, I'm not referring to the British referees who would've let Hatton hit and hold for rounds upon rounds. I took the liberty of watching the first round, recording the referee breaks and the circumstances surrounding it as well as listing the time that it happened to avoid confusion.Originally Posted by English Yankee
Break 1: Mayweather has Hatton's head in between his arm and body; all referees will break the two fighters up under the same circumstances... 2:55
Break 2: Hatton has Mayweather's head in between his arm and body... 2:48
Break 3: Cortez allows them to fight in close; only when there was a lull in the action and the two fighters were clinched did Cortez break them up... 2:33
Break 4: Mayweather clinches onto Hatton and Hatton doesn't punch back. Cortez breaks them up... 2:17
Break 5: Hatton had Mayweather's head in between his arm and body... 1:57
Break 6: Mayweather clinches onto Hatton and Hatton doesn't punch back. Cortez breaks them up... 1:38
Break 7: Hatton has Mayweather's head in between his arm and body... 1:28
Break 8: Fighters in a clinch again, Hatton lifts his left arm in the air signaling that he wanted Cortez to break up the action... 1:12
Break 9: Hatton gets in close and unleashes a series of punches while Cortez allows the infighting. Mayweather then grabs onto the back of Hatton's head. Hatton follows by clinching onto Mayweather's right arm. Cortez breaks up the action... :54
Break 10: Mayweather has Hatton's head in between his arm and body... :45
Break 11: With 30 seconds left, the fighters were in a clinch and Hatton was throwing combinations while Mayweather was trying to hold on. Cortez does nothing until Hatton stops punching. Then Mayweather holds onto Hatton while Hatton waits for Cortez to break up the action... :23
Break 12: Hatton has Mayweather's head in between his arm and body... :12
Maybe you should actually watch the film before making these statements. It's clear that you were watching the fight through tinted glasses. I'm not even going to bother reviewing any more rounds because they're going to be more or less the same. Were there occasions when Cortez broke the fighters up when there was no lull in the action? There probably was, but you're clearly exaggerating the number of times that was the case.
Last edited by Rui; 02-04-08 at 01:49 PM.
I'm excited to watch Paul Williams on Saturday.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Arum is putting on a card sometime in April, I hear.
Cintron/Margarito II and Gomez/Cotto. If Cotto wins, he gets the winner of the Cintron/Margarito fight at either the Garden or Yankee Stadium come July of 2008.
You don't understand what you're watching.Originally Posted by Rui
I listed every single referee break from the first round and from the looks of it, most of them were perfectly fine. Would you care to prove me wrong?Originally Posted by English Yankee
So Do I.Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan
Paul Williams vs. Carlos Quintana on HBO Boxing After Dark
Saturday, February 9, 9:45 PM ET/PT.
Williams defends his WBO Welterweight Title against Quintana.
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...ouncement.html
Both Quintana and Williams possess both speed and power punches. Quintana has a lot of championship ring experience having wins over Miguel Cotto and Joel Julio.
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This week: Paul Williams defends his WBO Welterweight Title against Carlos Quintana on HBO Boxing After Dark.
Next Week - Feburary 16, 2008: Kelly Pavlik v. Jermain Taylor II in a 12-round, 166 lb. Middleweight bout on HBO PPV from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, NY
Feburary 23, 2008: Wladimir Klitschko v. Sultan Ibragimov in a 12-round, unification heavyweight title bout from Madison Square Garden in New York City on HBO World Championship Boxing.
March 15, 2008: Juan Manuel Marquez v. Manny Pacquiao II in a 12-round Super Featherweight Championship Bout on HBO PPV from the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, NV.
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His win over Joel Julio was VERY impressive considering that Julio was lined up for a megafight against Cotto at the time. But against someone who could cut off the ring as quickly as Cotto, Quintana was simply overpowered. With that said, I see Quintana losing a decision to Williams here. Williams is on a whole another level.Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
Carlos Quintana will make Paul Wlliams work, but I say Williams via 9th Round KO.Originally Posted by Rui
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Yuck...bad fight for Williams as he loses a unanimous decision. Lots of factors againist him, not fighting in almost 8 months (albeit out of his control), stylistically this was a tough fight for him and the fact that he was just flat tonight and got outworked.
I disagree with the scoring though, I had Williams winning at least 5 of the rounds....but IMO he still lost the fight
Paul Williams kept his hands moving, but Carlos Quintana attacked with reckless abandon. Williams had a bad night and had cuts over both eyes.Originally Posted by southernNYYfan
I had it 116-112 in favor of Quintana in my scorecards.
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Terrible performance by Williams. I was hoping he would win just so I could bet the house against him in his next fight. I should have known that it would have been a good idea to bet against him tonight.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
I'll be in the front row of Friday Night Fights on March 28th live on ESPN2. The card and main event is solid but I'm really looking forward to seeing Mike Jones (not the rapper) live in action. This guy could be the next big thing.
Buffalo Bills 2010 "Oh"-Line
Can you still get tickets?Originally Posted by TheManKnownAsMecca
Kelly Pavlik vs. Jermain Taylor II next Saturday, Feb. 16th on HBO PPV.
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Taylor shouldn't have jumped right back in with Pavlik, and he shouldn't have dropped Steward as his trainer. But Taylor will respect Pavlik's power more in this fight so I see it going longer...Pavlik by KO in the 9th.Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
Dem ol' grimy Jets...
Here's the Bert Sugar Pre-Fight Analysis: Pavlik v. Taylor II.
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...sugar_pre.html
STRENGTHS OF BOTH FIGHTERS
KELLY PAVLIK -(32-0, 29 KOs)
- Has one-punch knockout power in both hands, which he throws with leverage.
- Uses his long left to set up his power right.
- Can effectively capitalize on his opponent's mistakes, as he did in the first fight against Taylor, countering Taylor's jab and blocking Taylor's wide, looping punches.
- Has extraordinary "chin whiskers" and amazing recuperative power, as he proved in getting up from a devastating knockdown in the second round of the first fight to come back to win the third round.
- Is dangerous both on the inside and on the outside.
JERMAIN TAYLOR - (27-1-1, 17 KOs)
- Possesses fast hand speed, faster than Pavlik's.
- Is bigger and stronger than Pavlik.
- Has an excellent jab, much sharper and stiffer than Pavlik's.
- The fight is scheduled at a catchweight of 166 pounds--six pounds over the middleweight limit of 160--which benefits Taylor, who has had problems making weight before.
WEAKNESSES OF BOTH FIGHTERS
PAVLIK
- Pavlik walks straight in on his opponent, confident he can take anything they throw--which almost did him "in" in the first fight.
- Allows opponents to tie him up on the inside.
- Pavlik is a one-gear fighter with little or no head movement and is "there" for Taylor.
- Pavlik suffered cuts to his arm putting in a window pane after the first Taylor fight and there's no telling how it may affect him or his punching power.
TAYLOR
- Even at this stage of his career Taylor still makes too many mistakes--like dropping his right hand when he throws a jab and bringing his jab back too low after throwing it, bad habits which leave him vulnerable to counters.
- Taylor tends to throw wide, looping punches, even wild uppercuts which seem to come from the third row, leaving himself open to counterpunches.
- Taylor can be outworked, often failing to let his hands "go."
WHAT EACH MUST DO TO WIN
PAVLIK
- Pavlik must do what he did last time. Only more. He must pressure Taylor from the git-go to see how Jermain reacts and what his mind-set is after his knockout loss five months ago by Pavlik.
- Pavlik shouldn't give Taylor a chance to breathe, staying right on top of him and forcing him into the ropes and into corners where he's most vulnerable.
- He must capitalize on Taylor's mistakes, countering him every time he throws a jab and fails to bring it back or drops his right.
- Pavlik must do a better job of fighting on the inside and not let Taylor tie him up as he did in the first fight.
TAYLOR
- Taylor must take advantage of his strengths--his faster hand and foot speed and his sharper jab to keep Pavlik at long range and set up his right hand.
- Jermain cannot afford to go back into the ropes but must step away either to the right or to the left and make Pavlik turn, not letting Pavlik push him straight back.
- Taylor must defend better against Pavlik's howitzer of a right than he did in the first fight by keeping his left hand up and bringing it back after he jabs. He should also give Pavlik less of a target by moving his head more.
- Taylor must fight more on the inside, not just hold, because Pavlik stands straight up and holds his hands high, his body is there for Jermain on the inside.
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Fightnews.com - Pavlik, Taylor make weight!
http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...ZtxChuezO.html
Last edited by BroadwayBomber55; 02-15-08 at 06:25 PM.
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Pavilk v. Trinidad in the works?
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content1968.html
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Latest news from the Manny Pacquiao camp:
Pacquiao passes WBC medical, weigh-in tests
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/ceb...weigh-in-tests
Stay Put, Manny Pacquiao!
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...anny-pacquiao/
Pacquiao, Marquez trade soundbites
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb...oundbites.html
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Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
I can't wait for this fight. I really think JT is going to get his clock cleaned again...KP is to Taylor's what Vernon Forrest was to Mosley.
Dem ol' grimy Jets...
Round by Round: Kelly Pavlik v. Jermain Taylor II
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=3249272
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What a fight between Jermain Taylor and Kelly Pavlik.
Kelly Pavlik defeats Jermain Taylor with a unanimous decision (117-111, 115-113, 116-112).
I had it 115-113 for Pavlik.
Taylor fought a smarter, strategic fight the second time around against Pavlik, countering Pavlik's jab with hooks, add some defense, and showing a lot of heart as he didn't get knocked down by Pavlik. However, Pavlik made Taylor outwork in the later rounds, especially in Rounds 11 and 12, and won the fight. Pavlik's jab was again effective.
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Excellent fight, scared that we might have had a tie but the judges did what was right, IMO and gave Pavlik the victory.
I read the ESPN round by round. One of the judges, Kieran Mulvaney...8 rounds to 4 for Taylor. 8-4?!?!?!Originally Posted by southernNYYfan
Credit Jermain Taylor to fight a very good strategic fight with countering hooks to neutralize Pavlik's jab and showed some defense and heart, but Taylor was overworked by Pavlik in the later rounds. I had it 7 rounds to 5 for Pavlik.
Pavlik won Rounds 1, 5, 7, 8, 9, 11, and 12 while Taylor won Rounds 2, 3, 4, 6, and 10.
There were great flurries between the two, but Pavlik kept punching and wore out Taylor again. Great fight.
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This night was a night of surprises. I had the main event 114-114 even, but I was shocked by:
- How one judge scored the Mijares/Navarro fight 120-108 for Navarro
- How easily Montiel steamrolled through a fighter of Castillo's caliber
- How Taylor actually kept both his hands up on defense throughout the whole fight

Jermain Taylor had much more respect for Pavlik's power going in. Taylor defended well but I think that respect played into why he lost...JT never threw any combinations. It was always one punch at a time, it seemed like he just didn't want to mix it up. I can't blame him after the way he lost the first fight. Good fight though.
Dem ol' grimy Jets...
Jermain Taylor kept defending as Kelly Pavlik kept punching especially Pavlik having the better jab and the reach advantage than the two.Originally Posted by PlsDontTearDownY.S.
Taylor looked good early winning Rounds 2, 3, and 4 in my scorecards, but as the fight got longer, Taylor was worn out again.
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Nextime on HBO Boxing:
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO VS. SULTAN IBRAGIMOV for the Unified Heavyweight Title - 12 Round Bout from MSG, NY.
Saturday February 23rd on HBO World Championship Boxing 9:30 PM ET/6:30 PM PT.
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...ouncement.html
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