Anybody catch the "Thunder From Down Under" beat the crap out of Sharba Mitchell on Saturday? The real, undisputed 140lb champ is back!
Anybody catch the "Thunder From Down Under" beat the crap out of Sharba Mitchell on Saturday? The real, undisputed 140lb champ is back!
I didn't see the fight, how did it go? Was it an all out a** woopin?
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I love boxing. Unfortunately, I don't get a chance to watch it as much as I used to.
Yep. He battered him. I want to see Tszyu, Gatti, Mayweather and Hatton matches made now. Miguel Cotto is on this level at 140 too. 140 pounds seems to have the most world class performers of any of the divisions right now.
I love boxing but missed that match.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Tszyu v. Gatti will not happen. Kostya is tied to Showtime and Gatti to HBO, and the only time two rival network fighters have fought were Tyson and Lennox, which apparently was a financial and logistical mess for all parties concerned.
Mayweather has a contract with HBO, but I think he only has a fight left on the deal.
Everything seems to point to either Vivian Harris, which wouldn't be a mega-fight, or Hatton, which could be if it took place In Manchester England.
Tszyu could cement his legacy by moving up to 147 and beat on Cory Spinks and become the undisputed welterweight champion; Cory isn't tied to any network.
Miguel Cotto, the next great Puerto Rican champ. I love the way he fights. He's a bull.Originally posted by English Yankee
Yep. He battered him. I want to see Tszyu, Gatti, Mayweather and Hatton matches made now. Miguel Cotto is on this level at 140 too. 140 pounds seems to have the most world class performers of any of the divisions right now.
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Anyone see the Wright/Mosley fight? It was good. No knockdowns, but lots of punches. Shane should have never left 135, his punching power doesn't register as a middleweight. He would have gone down as one of the all time greats if he would have stayed fighting at 135.
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Yep, I watched the fight. I was actually somewhat impressed with Mosley in this fight although I definitely think he lost. My friend lost $100 betting on Mosley getting 2 to 1 odds. He wasn't pleased. I'm excited for Barrera Morales III.Originally posted by PlsDontTearDownY.S.
Anyone see the Wright/Mosley fight? It was good. No knockdowns, but lots of punches. Shane should have never left 135, his punching power doesn't register as a middleweight. He would have gone down as one of the all time greats if he would have stayed fighting at 135.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
I got Morales in this fight, I hope it's like the first one, what a fight that was. So far, the wrong guy won both fights. Let's see what happens.
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Barerra/Morales three was good but nothing like the first except for a moment or two here and there. Pleased to see Barrera back again. Looks like there'll be a fourth and fifth now.
Klitschko versus Williams tomorrow night. Intriguing fight that I'm looking forward to. I'm going to predict a massive upset here, with Williams winning, just because Klitschko is such an overwhelming favourite and it's all been big upsets lately.
No way. Vitali took the era's greatest heavyweight to the limit, Lennox Lewis was getting smacked against Klitchko, those cuts saved him.
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Almost certainly Klitschko will win. I just have a feeling for the other guy for some reason.
The heavyweight division needs a unification tournament in the worst way. That and a couple of rivalries and personalities like you have in the lower weight classes.
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Oh well, looks like we have a charisma free zone as heavy weight champ for a while.
His English may be poor, but his fists and the way he pummels people are entertaining as hell!Originally posted by English Yankee
Oh well, looks like we have a charisma free zone as heavy weight champ for a while.
I find it odd that Lennox Lewis was at the Corrie Sanders fight as a spectator and tonight's fight as an analyst for HBO. While he's publicly stated he's retired, I think he's coming back next year to fight Vitali in a huge PPV event. Most likely a pipe-dream, but who knows...
While needed, a heavyweight tournement that includes Vitali won't happen because Don King has no promotional control over him. I could see Hasim Rahman fight Lamon Brewster for the WBO title, then take on Vitali in the fall of '05.
He's the uncharismatic champ of one boxing organization. The other two are still out there...and if you ask a casual New York sports fan who the heavyweight champ is, he won't know. It used to be, everyone knew who the champ was. The heavyweight division needs to get back to that in the worst way.
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Some observations.
Lewis is past it. He spends most of his time getting stoned on his homegrown on his Jamaican estate. He's got a hundred million in the bank. He was a fat out of condition forty year old who nearly lost to Klitschko when he fought him last time, and the odds haven't improved on a Lewis victory with the passage of time. He isn't coming back ever.
Klitschko will flatten any of the other guys out there right now. There's no one else in his class and you won't see people queuing up to try and get past that gigantic reach advantage he has, especially when they're almost all relative midgets like Byrd/Holyfield. It would be an act of cruelty to put someone like Ruiz in with him.
His English is pretty good, he just has the most boring safety first style that makes Lewis look adventurous. Because he has such a massive reach advantage, he can just jab on the back foot and avoid all trouble. When anyone tries to get close to him, he has an accurate wrecking ball right. He holds the legitimate linear version of the title and will hold it as long as he wants, judging by the competition right now. This is bad for all boxing, as the heavyweight division is the flagship, and if it's poor, which it really is right now, then all boxing suffers as a consequence. Here's hoping at least one outstanding heavyweight comes along, and soon.
I was watching the PPV previews for the fight. They are REALLY hyping Williams cause he knocked out Tyson. Does anyone really think he is that goodOriginally posted by English Yankee
Klitschko versus Williams tomorrow night. Intriguing fight that I'm looking forward to. I'm going to predict a massive upset here, with Williams winning, just because Klitschko is such an overwhelming favourite and it's all been big upsets lately.
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Good point about Lewis; it just seems odd that whenever Vitali fights, Lewis is sitting in the front row. Yet I wouldn't characterize Vitali as having a boring style. He was aggressive against Lewis, Kirk Johnson, and Corrie Sanders, and has shown the courage to take a punch in order to give one in return.Originally posted by English Yankee
Some observations.
Lewis is past it. He spends most of his time getting stoned on his homegrown on his Jamaican estate. He's got a hundred million in the bank. He was a fat out of condition forty year old who nearly lost to Klitschko when he fought him last time, and the odds haven't improved on a Lewis victory with the passage of time. He isn't coming back ever.
Klitschko will flatten any of the other guys out there right now. There's no one else in his class and you won't see people queuing up to try and get past that gigantic reach advantage he has, especially when they're almost all relative midgets like Byrd/Holyfield. It would be an act of cruelty to put someone like Ruiz in with him.
His English is pretty good, he just has the most boring safety first style that makes Lewis look adventurous. Because he has such a massive reach advantage, he can just jab on the back foot and avoid all trouble. When anyone tries to get close to him, he has an accurate wrecking ball right. He holds the legitimate linear version of the title and will hold it as long as he wants, judging by the competition right now. This is bad for all boxing, as the heavyweight division is the flagship, and if it's poor, which it really is right now, then all boxing suffers as a consequence. Here's hoping at least one outstanding heavyweight comes along, and soon.
There are a couple of fights out there that I'd want to see. Vitali v. Rahman would be a decent one, since Hasim has regained form and was the last to legitimately beat Lennox. If Glen Johnson gets past Antonio Tarver, he looks like he could bulk up a bit and give it a go.
Nonetheless, boxing seems to be healthier than its been in some time. Kostya Tszyu and Tito Trinidad are back, Arturo Gatti fights next month, along with Floyd Mayweather. Jermain Taylor showed that he's ready to fight for a championship. A rematch between Pac-man and Marquez should happen in March, along with a return of Fernando Vargas. If the money's right, something will give in the heavyweight division, and we'll find out who the true champ is.
But his style doesn't sell tickets or PPV and that's because the potential boxing public want to see someone who tries to take his opponent's head off with every punch, like Tyson. They want their heavyweights to be more gladiatorial, and safety first styles like Lewis and Klitschko send them to sleep. The rest of the boxing scene is pretty good, but the heavy weight division needs to be good for boxing to maintain its overall public interest. Unfortunately no one really cares who's the best out of the current bunch, as the big empty spaces on Saturday night showed. When Tyson was in his prime, tickets were hard to get. Now they practically give them away for some heavyweight fights.Originally posted by FoodNetwork
Good point about Lewis; it just seems odd that whenever Vitali fights, Lewis is sitting in the front row. Yet I wouldn't characterize Vitali as having a boring style. He was aggressive against Lewis, Kirk Johnson, and Corrie Sanders, and has shown the courage to take a punch in order to give one in return.
There are a couple of fights out there that I'd want to see. Vitali v. Rahman would be a decent one, since Hasim has regained form and was the last to legitimately beat Lennox. If Glen Johnson gets past Antonio Tarver, he looks like he could bulk up a bit and give it a go.
Nonetheless, boxing seems to be healthier than its been in some time. Kostya Tszyu and Tito Trinidad are back, Arturo Gatti fights next month, along with Floyd Mayweather. Jermain Taylor showed that he's ready to fight for a championship. A rematch between Pac-man and Marquez should happen in March, along with a return of Fernando Vargas. If the money's right, something will give in the heavyweight division, and we'll find out who the true champ is.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/13/sp...3anderson.html
Don is going to try and make a silk purse out of the current bunch, good luck to him.
I'll look forward to the fight between Klitschko and Rahman in April. If Hasim wins, then we'll definitely see a tournament, because Don will own the paper of all 4 champions.
I'll be interested to see what the PPV number is for this weekend's card. It seems most unusual to have a bunch of PPVs bunched up as we've had lately. HBO is banking on Vitali being a decent PPV draw, but if the seats were empty like you said, then it doesn't look good.
I guess I'm more easily entertained by the heavyweight division than most fans.
You have to check out the Arturo Gatti/Jesse James Leija welterweight title fight. Two warriors, and two of the classiest fighters in the sport. You will like this one, it's not heavys, but I guarantee you there will be way more action than any heavyweight fight. January 29 on HBO.
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I agree! Gatti never fails to entertain and Leija looked good against Ponchito Bojado. Should be a good fight in arguably the best weight class in boxing.
There are some good fights to look forward to in 2005:
Spinks/Judah II
Johnson/Tarver II
Diego Corralez/Jose Luis Castillo
Floyd Mayweather's return
Tszyu/Hatton??
Lennox/Vitali II???
Hopkins/Tito II
Oscar back at 147lbs
Pac-man/Marquez II
Did anyone hear Floyd Mayweather pick the Patriots during his fight on Saturday night?
The fight was getting boring (with Mayweather dominating), and so Jim Lampley asked Roy Jones who he liked in Sunday's AFC Championship Game. Mayweather heard the question, looked over, and said "the Patriots."
Lampley commented on it, and then later asked Mayweather -- still during the fight -- about the NFC Championship game, to which Mayweather responded that he liked Michael Vick.
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That's hilarious. I like Mayweather. I heard he's moving up a class, looking for fights against De La Hoya (who's moving down) and Cory Spinks, etc.
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I would like to see a Bernard Hopkins - Jermaine Taylor fight.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
And here we go! Gatti - Leija tonight. I'm going with Gatti, because he's better at this stage of his career than Leija and also because I can't remember the last time a fighter repped Jersey like Arturo Gatti.
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How old is Gatti?
I've seen a coupe articles recently referring to him as "up and coming," but I thought the guy was pretty old. Seems like he's been around forever.
He's 31 ....and he knocked out Leija in the fifth round. Once again, Gatti gave the Jersey faithful what they came for. Next up is pretty boy Floyd Mayweather on or about June 11th, and I expect this fight to take place up in JERSEY again. Mayweather's kidding himself if he thinks this thing is going to happen on the west coast, he got 3000 people for his last fight, and I doubt if anyone outside of real boxing fans knows that it even happened.
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Mayweather is the most skilful boxer out there right now by a mile. But because the big fights are at higher weights than his natural weight, he's had to bulk up to make the big money. Only problem is, he's lost his pop and can't KO people anymore, so he's always going to have to nick a points win. This unfortunately means the best boxer of his generation can't be seen at his very best any more, which is a real shame.
Gatti looked fantastic in that fight. I'm really excited to see a Gatti-Mayweather fight and will definitely be rooting for Gatti big time. I think he can pull off the upset and will definitely put some money on it. My friend bet $200 that Gatti would KO or TKO Leija before the 9th round and won $480 on it. Lucky bastard.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
This is true, the same thing happened to Sugar Shane, if he would have stayed at 135 he could have been the best lightweight ever. It happens to a lot of these guys, it's like they are on this un-natural climb to the middleweight division, when most of them are clearly not cut out for it. Example: De La Hoya had no business fighting Hopkins at 160.
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I need some input from the boxing savvy people out there:
When I'm out in Vegas for March Madness, Morales will be fighting Pacquiao. Tickets are still available. My boys and I are thinking about going, but the cheapest seats are $75.00 (plus about $10 in ticketmaster charges)
Is this fight worth seeing? I seem to remember one of these guys being pretty legit...and I've heard of both, but I'm not sure it will be worth it.
Input, please!
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Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
That could be the fight of the year...you gotta do it. Tink of it this way, Knicks tickets are like four times as much and the product is not even half as good.
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Tell me some stuff about the fighters- include your opinions, too...
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Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
Erik Morales fought three wars against Marco Antonio Barrera, and the first one was the fight of the year in 2000, IMO...Morales has a head like a cannonball, his chin is like iron. Real deceptive hand speed too.
Manny Pacquiao is pretty much the most exciting fighter right now, it's like watching the old Knockout Kings game when he fights... he throws endless punches and he's got the stamina and speed to do it the whole fight. But his last big fight was a disputed draw over Juan Manuel Marquez, and he lost some of the shine he had after the ridiculous video game style beatdown he gave to the same Marco Antonio Barrera that just beat Morales. My guess is he will get it back but if anyone can take the punishment, it's Erik Morales, he never goes down.
These are two of the most exciting fighters in the sport, and this fight is a can't miss.
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You can never be sure but on paper it's one of the top two or three fights of the year.
Excellent. Great points. You've sold me. We're going.
Good looking, kid.
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Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
That was a BS draw. One of the judges that scored it a draw did so because he didn't know it was allowed to score a round 10-7 when there were 3 knockdowns in the first round.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
Pacquiao won the fight, but he didn't do enough after the first round to leave no question about it. I give Marquez all the credit in the world for bouncing back but Pacquiao should have kept the pressure on him. He got complacent.
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I agree. But Marquez used his boxing skills to outwork Pacquiao in the later rounds, which is probably what Morales will do to him. I think "El Terrible" gets it done, and sets up a fight with Diego Corrales at the end of the year.
Judah v. Spinks II tonight for the undisputed welterweight title. I see Super Zab winning the fight on points. If Tszyu gets past Hatton, or rather WHEN he gets past Hatton, a rematch between the two would be interesting, especially with Oscar back at 147lb. possibly fighting the winner.
Manny should beat Morales. Erik is tough to beat, though and it should be a slam bang fight. Nice to know there are some fight fans here. My grandpa was Dempsey and Tunney's sparring partner and he started me on boxing before I was three!
Judah beat the ish out of Spinks! 9th round TKO for Judah...no way I thought that was happening. That was a huge bounceback win for Judah.
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After watching Hopkins v Eastman on HBO last night, I think Jermain Taylor is ready to dethrone the P4P champ. Hopkins may be a counter-puncher, but Taylor would be too quick for him. Plus, his jab would give Hopkins fits.
Hopkins should call it a day at 160lbs and go to 175 and take on the winner of the Tarver v Johnson re-match.
My guess is Hopkins would be favored. Depending on the odds, I'd consider betting on Jermaine Taylor. But, it will be tough for me to bet against a guy that hasn't been knocked down in over a decade. Plus, Bernard Hopkins is one of the smartest boxers in the game.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
No way man. Go to the light heavy division for what? There's no money there. Tarver is not a big draw, and Glen Johnson is less of a draw. Look at it from Hopkins' perspective: he is the king of the middleweight division. Unified champ. He could go down as the best Middleweight ever, why should he move up to fight some nondescript light heavys like Tarver and Johnson? I could maybe see it if Roy Jones Jr was still around and effective.
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I agree about Tarver, but Glen Johnson was fighter of the year in '04, and the Tarver/Johnson fight had a good gate at Staples Center. I think a following is building for Johnson, so combine that with HBO's money and Golden Boy's ability to promote, and there could be a buzz about this fight were it to happen.
The best middleweight ever was Sugar Ray Robinson-even Hopkins admitted that last week on-air. Personally, Marvelous Marvin Hagler was the best middleweight I ever saw.
Hagler / Hopkins would be a dream match. Did you see the Cotto/Corley fight last night?
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