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    Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Do you just see it as an ultimate sign of respect that Manny Ramirez would be thinking enough about Derek Jeter during the World Series parade to hold up a sign with his name on it? Or do you think that he is just really trying to throw sale into the wounds? In case you didn't see it, ESPn has a picture of Ramierz holding up a sign that reads: JETER IS PLAYING GOLF TODAY. I do wonder what Jeter would think seeing something like that. A guys that doesn't talk smack at all in the media seeing something like that.

    As if the Yanks need any motivation, do you think that this rivalry will turn terribly bitter?
    I don't recall the Yanks ever talking trash about the Sox during the championships.

    The 3 Sox that I can't stand (Schilling, Ramirez and Millar) are really showing themsleves in the aftermath.

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    I'm sorry, but the sign and that t-shirt that was on one of the floats can hardly be considered a "sign of respect". I think the shirt said something like "Jeter sucks ARod" or something equally as offensive. The Sox are merely showing their true colors. In order to be a champion, you need to win like one, and I don't think they were doing a very good job of that yesterday.

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    I agree, I was actually being sarcastic. I think that there will be lasting ramifications of that sign in particular. As much of a gentleman as Derek Jeter is (or at least he carries himself like one from what I see), I think that he will do anything in his power to beat these guys. I'm sure he has have before, but I think things may be a bit more intense with the 2005 Yanks. As if losing the way they did hurt, they've got these clowns trying to embarass them.

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    Exactly. If anything, all of this will serve as ammuntion to get the Yanks fired up for next season.

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    Please. The fans at the parade brought that junk, the players just took what was handed to them to egg on the crowd. Would Jeter have declined to hold the a sign like that after some fan handed it to him? Probably. But very few people make as few public mistakes as Jeter. Cone would have held a sign like that, so would have Wells. Paul O'Neill would've not held it up, just like I'd bet Varitek and Nixon would have not held it up. Different people act differently and Manny, while not a bad guy, isn't a 'classy' guy.
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    people threw the shirts onto the floats, someone gave manny the sign...he was just holding it to fire up the crowd IMO.


    are we done with these threads yet

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    Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by NYYRoadFan
    Do you just see it as an ultimate sign of respect that Manny Ramirez would be thinking enough about Derek Jeter during the World Series parade to hold up a sign with his name on it?
    I don't think it's a sign of respect, but it shows that Yankees occupy space in the Red Sox's heads without even paying rent. It's like Jeter always says: Fans don't boo nobodies.

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    I don't think it's a sign of respect, but it shows that Yankees occupy space in the Red Sox's heads without even paying rent. It's like Jeter always says: Fans don't boo nobodies.
    This might be the 20th thread on the parade.

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    Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by NYCVirago


    I don't think it's a sign of respect, but it shows that Yankees occupy space in the Red Sox's heads without even paying rent. It's like Jeter always says: Fans don't boo nobodies.
    on the same token then the sox are in the yankees heads. There are boston sucks shirts, there are 1918 shirts, there are whose your daddies shirts, etc. There are players on both teams talking smack to each other, there are owners talking smack...

    ITS A RIVARLY, thats what happens. As long as it isnt violent i dont really care too much.

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    Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by bnorris85


    on the same token then the sox are in the yankees heads. There are boston sucks shirts, there are 1918 shirts, there are whose your daddies shirts, etc. There are players on both teams talking smack to each other, there are owners talking smack...

    ITS A RIVARLY, thats what happens. As long as it isnt violent i dont really care too much.
    The ratio of anti-Red Sox shirts worn by Yankee fans to anti-Yankee shirts worn by Sox fans suggests an extremely one-sided rivalry, which this is. One big win does not change that.

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    Originally posted by Calvin and Hobbes


    The ratio of anti-Red Sox shirts worn by Yankee fans to anti-Yankee shirts worn by Sox fans suggests an extremely one-sided rivalry, which this is. One big win does not change that.
    Does the fact that probably half the posts on this board nowadays are Red Sox related suggest this rivarly is still one-sided?

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    Please. The fans at the parade brought that junk, the players just took what was handed to them to egg on the crowd. Would Jeter have declined to hold the a sign like that after some fan handed it to him? Probably. But very few people make as few public mistakes as Jeter. Cone would have held a sign like that, so would have Wells. Paul O'Neill would've not held it up, just like I'd bet Varitek and Nixon would have not held it up. Different people act differently and Manny, while not a bad guy, isn't a 'classy' guy.
    patrick, with all due respect, as much as I dislike Torre as a field manager, he sets the tone for the team's character. If Torre witnessed what the Sox bigwigs had to see, he'd huddle the guys together and tell them to take the high road. I have no doubt about this.

    An early warning sign was Red Light Curt spewing as soon as the champagne dried. That's when the team should have layed down the law and said to be cautious and to take the high road.

    This would not have happened with our "dynasty" team of 1996-2000 or if we had won it this year. Even Wells would have been held in check back then if he started shooting off his mouth about the Sox immediately after a devastating loss by them. It's just the Yankee way since we hired Torre.

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by SubwayFanatic


    Does the fact that probably half the posts on this board nowadays are Red Sox related suggest this rivarly is still one-sided?
    Is it half, or did you just make that up? I try to come on here to discuss the Yankees, but if there is an interesting thread regarding the Red Sox on hand, I will comment.

    In either case, you can use some obscure sampling to try to prove a point, but anyone saying this rivalry is even is deluding themselves.

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    I still believe Manny didn't know what the sign said.

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    Red sox players and fans are classless . And by the way do you think red sox players are going to get a hair cut or shave thier beard or take a shower since the series is over .
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    Originally posted by Calvin and Hobbes


    Is it half, or did you just make that up? I try to come on here to discuss the Yankees, but if there is an interesting thread regarding the Red Sox on hand, I will comment.

    In either case, you can use some obscure sampling to try to prove a point, but anyone saying this rivalry is even is deluding themselves.
    New York is just as obsessed with the Boston, as Boston is obsessed with New York. I don't think this was the case in 1998 or so, but it has been the last two years when the two teams have been very even.

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    Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by bnorris85


    on the same token then the sox are in the yankees heads. There are boston sucks shirts, there are 1918 shirts, there are whose your daddies shirts, etc. There are players on both teams talking smack to each other, there are owners talking smack...

    ITS A RIVARLY, thats what happens. As long as it isnt violent i dont really care too much.
    When it happens at Yankees-Red Sox games, it's fun. When that stuff happens at a World Series parade, it's kinda pathetic. And yes, I would feel the same way if the Yankees won the World Series, and Jeter held a "Pedro, Who's Your Daddy" sign while traveling on a float.

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    Originally posted by SubwayFanatic


    New York is just as obsessed with the Boston, as Boston is obsessed with New York. I don't think this was the case in 1998 or so, but it has been the last two years when the two teams have been very even.
    The last team on my mind when we played the D'Backs were the Sox, even after that intense 7 games we had. Perhaps, I'm alone on that.

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by SubwayFanatic


    Does the fact that probably half the posts on this board nowadays are Red Sox related suggest this rivarly is still one-sided?
    No, it reflects the fact that it's October 31, and the Sox are pretty much the only story in baseball right now.

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    No, it reflects the fact that it's October 31, and the Sox are pretty much the only story in baseball right now.
    I am sorry, but that is bull. This board has been loaded with posts about the Red Sox the entire year, has it not?

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    Originally posted by iWant27
    Red sox players and fans are classless . And by the way do you think red sox players are going to get a hair cut or shave thier beard or take a shower since the series is over .
    What on earth are you even trying to say? How about iWantComprehensibleGrammar?

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by SubwayFanatic


    New York is just as obsessed with the Boston, as Boston is obsessed with New York.
    I respectfully disagree. If you don't believe me, wait until the season starts up next year, then count the anti-Yankee shirts in Boston and compare them to the anti-Sox shirts in NY.

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by SubwayFanatic


    I am sorry, but that is bull. This board has been loaded with posts about the Red Sox the entire year, has it not?
    Many of the ATL Red Sox threads during the season seemed to be created by Red Sox fan Nufced, if I remember correctly (and whatever happened to him, by the way?)

    Edit: And the busiest time ever on this site was this one:

    Most ever: 774 on 09-03-04 at 11:01 PM.

    And that had nothing to do with the Red Sox.

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    I respectfully disagree. If you don't believe me, wait until the season starts up next year, then count the anti-Yankee shirts in Boston and compare them to the anti-Sox shirts in NY.
    Well, we'll agree to disagree. But I still think the rivarly as defintely not as one sided as it used to be. Even the media is starting to cover the Red Sox like they are on their home team. Hell, the New York Post, it seems, sometimes has more Sox articles than the Boston Globe.

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    Many of the ATL Red Sox threads during the season seemed to be created by Red Sox fan Nufced, if I remember correctly (and whatever happened to him, by the way?)

    Edit: And the busiest time ever on this site was this one:

    Most ever: 774 on 09-03-04 at 11:01 PM.

    And that had nothing to do with the Red Sox.
    Nufced did start quite a few Sox threads, but many other posters started them as well.

    I am not trying to sound rude or sarcastic here, but what is the harm in admitting that many Sox threads have been started on this board? Is it shameful to admit that this rivarly isn't as one-sided as some people think?

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by SubwayFanatic


    Nufced did start quite a few Sox threads, but many other posters started them as well.

    I am not trying to sound rude or sarcastic here, but what is the harm in admitting that many Sox threads have been started on this board? Is it shameful to admit that this rivarly isn't as one-sided as some people think?
    While I agree with you that the rivalry is not as one-sided as it used to be (how could it be -- the nail finally beat the hammer!), there's a difference between interest in the rivalry, and all the anti-Yankee sentiment at today's parade. Like I said, I would be appalled if a Yankee was holding an anti-Red Sox sign at their tickertape parade. RSN has identified itself so much as being the anti-Yankees, that even in the franchise's biggest moment of triumph, they're still defining themselves as anti-Yankee, instead of merely celebrating the positive.

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by NYCVirago


    While I agree with you that the rivalry is not as one-sided as it used to be (how could it be -- the nail finally beat the hammer!), there's a difference between interest in the rivalry, and all the anti-Yankee sentiment at today's parade. Like I said, I would be appalled if a Yankee was holding an anti-Red Sox sign at their tickertape parade. RSN has identified itself so much as being the anti-Yankees, that even in the franchise's biggest moment of triumph, they're still defining themselves as anti-Yankee, instead of merely celebrating the positive.
    I'd just appreciate less generalizing. I hate the Yankees Suck chant, and so do all the real fans out there. In a thread in Around the Majors I explained how I was at the parade, and there was noone over the age of 18 chanting Yankees Suck, and when the chants started, they ended rather quickly. I was embarassed that they even started up at all. But when you have 4 million fans gathered, you're bound to get a few buffoons who don't know anything about the game. I'm sure there would be a few Boston Sucks chants if they had a Yankee parade now, just by people who only watch the playoffs, and the rivalry is all they know.
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

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    I'd just appreciate less generalizing. I hate the Yankees Suck chant, and so do all the real fans out there. In a thread in Around the Majors I explained how I was at the parade, and there was noone over the age of 18 chanting Yankees Suck, and when the chants started, they ended rather quickly. I was embarassed that they even started up at all. But when you have 4 million fans gathered, you're bound to get a few buffoons who don't know anything about the game. I'm sure there would be a few Boston Sucks chants if they had a Yankee parade now, just by people who only watch the playoffs, and the rivalry is all they know.
    Fair enough. I hope somebody in RSN -- namely, some influential players -- just get their fans off the Yankee-playa hating kick. That's why I was very disappointed to see Manny hold that sign today, and the homophobic anti-Jeter/A-Rod shirt hanging from one of the vehicles, not to mention Curt Schilling bashing A-Rod on the radio the other day. I know John Henry wants the relations between the two teams to be more civil, but I'm afraid he may be a lone voice feeling that way.

    But on the bright side, your team had 4 million people peacefully celebrating, with minimal arrests. That's something to be proud of -- I know there had been all sorts of worries in Boston, about crowd control, but the crowd was well-behaved and peaceful. And I thought it was very classy to have the old-time Red Sox get to share in the moment today, by having them in the parade. How close were you to seeing the players?

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by NYCVirago


    Fair enough. I hope somebody in RSN -- namely, some influential players -- just get their fans off the Yankee-playa hating kick. That's why I was very disappointed to see Manny hold that sign today, and the homophobic anti-Jeter/A-Rod shirt hanging from one of the vehicles, not to mention Curt Schilling bashing A-Rod on the radio the other day. I know John Henry wants the relations between the two teams to be more civil, but I'm afraid he may be a lone voice feeling that way.

    But on the bright side, your team had 4 million people peacefully celebrating, with minimal arrests. That's something to be proud of -- I know there had been all sorts of worries in Boston, about crowd control, but the crowd was well-behaved and peaceful. And I thought it was very classy to have the old-time Red Sox get to share in the moment today, by having them in the parade. How close were you to seeing the players?
    I was about 5 people deep into the crowd, but I was on a raised area so I saw above everyone else. I think it was a better view than maybe even the people that got right up front. I wasn't really worried about the crowd, this was more of a family event than anything. I had a great time, and I hope to be attending another parade this February...and next October

    I also liked the idea of the old time legends having their own boat...but Jim Corsi was on the legends boat...I'm not sure when exactly Jim Corsi became a legend. It was a bit odd to me. I would have much rather seen Yaz.
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    Originally posted by Spirit of B.M.
    The Red Sox are paper champs, as Clubber Lang would say...the Yankees GAVE the ALCS away,which gave the Sox the momentum to sweep the Cards.
    I disagree.
    The Sox outplayed the Yanks.

    "paper" nuthin... the Sox are the 2004 Champs.
    The fact that they not only came back from that deficit, but then steamrolled over the Cards (w/the best record in baseball) is evidence of that fact.
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    Originally posted by Spirit of B.M.
    The Red Sox are paper champs, as Clubber Lang would say...the Yankees GAVE the ALCS away,which gave the Sox the momentum to sweep the Cards.
    I disagree that the Yankees 'gave away' the ALCS. They didn't make a bunch of errors or play poorly. The only blow-out in the last four games was the last one, mostly because of the pitching match-up. But what I REALLY disagree with is the concept that the ALCS gave the Sox 'momentum' going into the WS. If so, why didn't that work for the Yankees last year against the Marlins. No, the more obvious conclusion is that the Angels and the Cardinals were overrated, and the Yanks and the Sox, closely matched, were BY FAR the best teams in baseball this year.

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    Originally posted by Spirit of B.M.
    The Red Sox are paper champs, as Clubber Lang would say...the Yankees GAVE the ALCS away,which gave the Sox the momentum to sweep the Cards.
    Even if what you say is true (I don't agree) the Sox still deserve the title.
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    The ratio of anti-Red Sox shirts worn by Yankee fans to anti-Yankee shirts worn by Sox fans suggests an extremely one-sided rivalry, which this is. One big win does not change that.
    You should have gone to Games 6 and 7 this year. You'd have been amazed....

    In any event, will people please, please stop generalizing? Both fanbases have, in equal measure, their share of blowhards, idiots, etc. It's long past time to pretend otherwise.

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    There is a very good reason that the Yankees are on the Red Sox minds more than it seems like the opposite is true. Since 1918, Red Sox fans saw the Yankees go to the winner's circle 26 times. The Yankees beat the Red Sox everytime head-to-head when everything was at stake. So, the Red Sox unlikely comeback to finally beat the Yankees goes hand-in-hand for Red Sox fans with finally winning the World Series when it comes to this celebration.

    This is a rivalry, and when some of the really immature stuff is removed, it's good for fans of both cities, and it's good for baseball. It's passionate, and it is without question, the greatest rivalry in sports. And it's going to continue being so, and in fact, will be raised another notch next year, I'm sure.

    Yankee fans have spoken quite a bit lately about class. Red Sox fans feel the same way when we read reports of Gary Sheffield's comments as quoted by Bob Nightengale. We feel the same way when we read that George Steinbrenner was in the parking lot last year after Game 7 waving goodbye to the Red Sox team bus, or when he issued his inflammatory statement after the Yankees acquired ARod. Or when Boomer Wells said he'd like to raze Fenway Park. Yes, Manny should not have held up such a sign. That T-shirt should not have been on the boat. Luccino should not have called the Yankees the Evil Empire. John Henry should not have called for a salary cap in baseball after the Yanks signed ARod, just like Randy Levine should not have publicly called for a forfeit when Tampa didn't make it due to the hurricane and the Red Sox were in hot pursuit in the standings. The Red Sox fans should not have thrown debris on the field in the ALCS in 1999 after a bad call by the umpire, and the Yankee fans should not have littered the field this year after a good call by the umpire, and riot police should not have had to be summoned to the field. But all in all, to one degree or another, this is all part of the rivalry, and in my mind, it only makes the baseball season better.

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    Originally posted by TommyK8
    There is a very good reason that the Yankees are on the Red Sox minds more than it seems like the opposite is true. Since 1918, Red Sox fans saw the Yankees go to the winner's circle 26 times. The Yankees beat the Red Sox everytime head-to-head when everything was at stake. So, the Red Sox unlikely comeback to finally beat the Yankees goes hand-in-hand for Red Sox fans with finally winning the World Series when it comes to this celebration.

    This is a rivalry, and when some of the really immature stuff is removed, it's good for fans of both cities, and it's good for baseball. It's passionate, and it is without question, the greatest rivalry in sports. And it's going to continue being so, and in fact, will be raised another notch next year, I'm sure.

    Yankee fans have spoken quite a bit lately about class. Red Sox fans feel the same way when we read reports of Gary Sheffield's comments as quoted by Bob Nightengale. We feel the same way when we read that George Steinbrenner was in the parking lot last year after Game 7 waving goodbye to the Red Sox team bus, or when he issued his inflammatory statement after the Yankees acquired ARod. Or when Boomer Wells said he'd like to raze Fenway Park. Yes, Manny should not have held up such a sign. That T-shirt should not have been on the boat. Luccino should not have called the Yankees the Evil Empire. John Henry should not have called for a salary cap in baseball after the Yanks signed ARod, just like Randy Levine should not have publicly called for a forfeit when Tampa didn't make it due to the hurricane and the Red Sox were in hot pursuit in the standings. The Red Sox fans should not have thrown debris on the field in the ALCS in 1999 after a bad call by the umpire, and the Yankee fans should not have littered the field this year after a good call by the umpire, and riot police should not have had to be summoned to the field. But all in all, to one degree or another, this is all part of the rivalry, and in my mind, it only makes the baseball season better.
    I have to agree on the whole. I have no problem with what the fans do. But when I see Manny holding that sign or the sign neatly set up on Pedro's float (Jeter Sucks ARod) to me that is a different thing. As witnessed by the ratings it is great for the sport when the Yanks and Sox are at the top of their games and fighting each other to the end. I really enjoy picking up the weekly television ratings and seeing 4 of the top 5 spots the baseball playoff games.
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    Originally posted by GoRocket


    I have to agree on the whole. I have no problem with what the fans do. But when I see Manny holding that sign or the sign neatly set up on Pedro's float (Jeter Sucks ARod) to me that is a different thing. As witnessed by the ratings it is great for the sport when the Yanks and Sox are at the top of their games and fighting each other to the end. I really enjoy picking up the weekly television ratings and seeing 4 of the top 5 spots the baseball playoff games.
    It's all part of the rivalry. There is fault on both sides. While wrong, those signs were in the same realm as Sheffield's remarks about the character of the Red Sox. You can go back and forth with transgressions on both sides. Red Sox fans didn't like seeing the class exhibited by Garcia and Nelson as they stomped on a Red Sox groundskeeper last year. And I will say for the more youthful on this board that all this did not start recently. I used to go to Yankee Stadium in the late 70's when both teams were good, and I can assure you that things were just as heated then. In fact, I think it's much easier for a Red Sox fan to walk into Yankee Stadium today with a Red Sox cap on than it ever was back in those days.

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by Dooley Womack


    The last team on my mind when we played the D'Backs were the Sox, even after that intense 7 games we had. Perhaps, I'm alone on that.
    Dooley, are you referring to the Marlins last year?

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    In the Good Old Days (IMHO) on this board, before the infiltration of all the Sox fans, someone would post a thread on the topic, everyone would all agree, "yeah, they suck" and move on. The reason there are so many of these threads is that the Sox fans pounce to defend their team's and fans' actions and, since there are so many of them here now, the threads go on and on.

    You'd never see a "discussion" on the RSN board or SoSH with Yankee fans disputing the Red Sox fans' ideas or feelings about our team. Yankee fans are only allowed to post about the Red Sox and are silent when the board trashes the Yankees or Yankee fans. Yankee fans (if they're allowed to post) aren't entitled to or able to express their opinions against the host's team...ever. For the most part, they don't even enter the threads that contain anti-Yankee sentiments.

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    Originally posted by NYYBombshell
    I'm sorry, but the sign and that t-shirt that was on one of the floats can hardly be considered a "sign of respect". I think the shirt said something like "Jeter sucks ARod" or something equally as offensive. The Sox are merely showing their true colors. In order to be a champion, you need to win like one, and I don't think they were doing a very good job of that yesterday.
    any one have a photo of the Jeter sucks arod? I'd like to send it to a few my sox friends up here to remind them of how classless they are...

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    Originally posted by yankeegirl78
    http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread...threadid=73731


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    Thanks very sad...they had 86 years to plan a parade and they still couldn't get it right....


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    Originally posted by TommyK8


    It's all part of the rivalry. There is fault on both sides. While wrong, those signs were in the same realm as Sheffield's remarks about the character of the Red Sox.
    1) Have you ever heard a Yankee or seen a Yankee do or say anything to intentionally insult a Red Sox player during A VICTORY PARADE? No, you haven't, so stop pretending its the same thing.

    2) What Sheffield said wasn't full of disgusting homophobic rhetoric. Whether or not Pedro put that shirt up, that fact that he allowed it to be there is disgusting, and shows a lot about his character.



    Originally posted by TommyK8
    You can go back and forth with transgressions on both sides. Red Sox fans didn't like seeing the class exhibited by Garcia and Nelson as they stomped on a Red Sox groundskeeper last year.
    :rolleyes: Yeah, and where are Garcia and Nelson now?

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    sox rubbing it in

    I think it's very distasteful for a professional athlete to display a shirt like that. I mean, they just won a championship and the best they can do is c*ap like that?

    All this is going to do is awaken the monster that is the Yankees. I can't wait for next year!!!!

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    Originally posted by TommyK8


    It's all part of the rivalry. There is fault on both sides. While wrong, those signs were in the same realm as Sheffield's remarks about the character of the Red Sox. You can go back and forth with transgressions on both sides. Red Sox fans didn't like seeing the class exhibited by Garcia and Nelson as they stomped on a Red Sox groundskeeper last year. And I will say for the more youthful on this board that all this did not start recently. I used to go to Yankee Stadium in the late 70's when both teams were good, and I can assure you that things were just as heated then. In fact, I think it's much easier for a Red Sox fan to walk into Yankee Stadium today with a Red Sox cap on than it ever was back in those days.
    However, Sheffield was not part of the championship parades of the late 90's which is where the true comparison is. Sheffield's comments were universally condemned here and everywhere. And as for Garcia and Nelson, while they were wrong, I'm sure the groundskeeper shared in the blame as well. I also think to compare Sheffield's comments to a homophobic comment that was on Pedro's shirt (Jeter sucks ARod) is a bit much. I liken homophobic shirts to the same mentality that started the KKK.
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by NYCVirago


    Many of the ATL Red Sox threads during the season seemed to be created by Red Sox fan Nufced, if I remember correctly (and whatever happened to him, by the way?)

    Edit: And the busiest time ever on this site was this one:

    Most ever: 774 on 09-03-04 at 11:01 PM.

    And that had nothing to do with the Red Sox.
    was that the night Kevin Brown broke his hand??. Being a sox fan, i would of loved to of been over here that night. I didn't discover this place to just before the playoffs this year

    not sure if a majority of the threads had anything to do with the sox tha tnight, but the sox had brought it down to 2 games at that point. This is just from memory, but there had to be a little worry here that night

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    Originally posted by Dooley Womack


    patrick, with all due respect, as much as I dislike Torre as a field manager, he sets the tone for the team's character. If Torre witnessed what the Sox bigwigs had to see, he'd huddle the guys together and tell them to take the high road. I have no doubt about this.
    To be fair, Terry Francona was not on the same duck boat as Manny or Pedro. IIRC, he was in front of them. I don't know how he or the owners could have seen the sign or the shirt.
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    I think you guys are missing the point. This kind of stuff happening between the fans is cool. But it should not happen with the players. There is a such thing as sportsmanship. It's what Ramirez lacks when he walks halfway to first base when hitting a homer.
    Those 3 guys that I mentioned before don't act like professionals:
    - Millar going on TV pubically giving his blessing about acquiring A-Rod over Nomar while Nomar was stil a Sox.
    - Just about anything Curt Schilling says.
    - Ramirez with this sign.

    They have no class, but I guess they are not supposed to have any, since they are the self proclaimed idiots.

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sox rubbing it in: Sign of Respect?

    Originally posted by MaineSoxFan


    Dooley, are you referring to the Marlins last year?
    Once we lost to the Marlins, beating the Sox meant very little. I think of 2001-04 as unsuccessful seasons.
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