Everyone should be impressed with the Patriots

**NDBoston** · 10-07-04 05:44 PM

Originally posted by cubswin

what's a San Francisco kid doing becoming a Yanks fan, instead of the Giants or As? Not even bandwagon, since they weren't winning during his youth.

(must not be too big a fan if he has since shifted his loyalties to the Sox (and Giants))

And, btw, as much as I love the Pats, they're not a dynasty. If they manage to win again this year, may need to re-visit the question.

That rumor came from Drew Henson when they were at Michigan. From everything I've read, Brady grew up a Giants fan(Gregg Jeffries and Barry Bonds went to his high school). He also grew up wearing baseball hats and still does to go out in public.

If you've seen my hair on a regular basis, you'd understand. I've actually worn baseball hats all my life. Church, school, everywhere. From sixth grade to senior year in high school, I could count on one hand the days I didn't wear a hat.

According to Brady, he has over 100 baseball hats.

**cubswin** · 10-07-04 09:56 PM

Originally posted by NDBoston

...According to Brady, he has over 100 baseball hats.

Where's JWF to tell us that Brady's hat collection is overrated and that Pennington would have 150 if he were on the patriots?

**SoCal Pinstriper** · 10-08-04 04:02 AM

Originally posted by cubswin

Where's JWF to tell us that Brady's hat collection is overrated and that Pennington would have 150 if he were on the patriots?

I think that he would also assert that Brady's collection grew as a result of luck rather than skill.

**RIyankee** · 10-08-04 08:02 AM

Originally posted by TyWebb

In the last 16 years that you have been an interested Jets fan, the Bengals have 1 winning season and 1 playoff win to thier name. 9-7 in 1991 with 1 playoff win.

The Bengals look like the Habs when compared to the Chicago/St.Louis/Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals.
The Cards have ONE playoff victory (a 20-7 win at Dallas in the the wildcard round in 1998) since winning the NFL championship in 1947.

**DaBoys4LifeNYY35** · 10-08-04 11:10 AM

Originally posted by RIyankee

The Cards have ONE playoff victory (a 20-7 win at Dallas in the the wildcard round in 1998) since winning the NFL championship in 1947.

I already posted this a page ago. Is there really a need to bring it up twice?

**RIyankee** · 10-08-04 12:40 PM

Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35

I already posted this a page ago. Is there really a need to bring it up twice?

I was more specific.

Why so mad? Dallas has been to 8 SBs and has 5 championships. That's tops.

BTW there are seven current NFL teams that have never been to a SB:

Browns (old & new)
Texans
Jaguars
Cardinals
Lions
Seahawks
Saints

**DaBoys4LifeNYY35** · 10-08-04 01:35 PM

Originally posted by RIyankee

I was more specific.

Why so mad? Dallas has been to 8 SBs and has 5 championships. That's tops.

BTW there are seven current NFL teams that have never been to a SB:

Browns (old & new)
Texans
Jaguars
Cardinals
Lions
Seahawks
Saints

You forget to mention our 16 NFC Championship appearances.

If we hadn't won it all 5 times, we'd be the ultimate Bridesmaids.

Don't mean to hijack, but what's your opinion on the teams who claim NFL championships from the pre-merger/pre-Super Bowl days? Such as George bragging about the Pack's 12 rings. The Browns had quite the history before the Super Bowl era, but no one ever talks about that now--22 playoff appearances in their first 40 years of existence, 10 straight title game appearances, 4 championships between 1950 and 1964.

**RIyankee** · 10-08-04 02:09 PM

Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35

You forget to mention our 16 NFC Championship appearances. If we hadn't won it all 5 times, we'd be the ultimate Bridesmaids.

Don't mean to hijack, but what's your opinion on the teams who claim NFL championships from the pre-merger/pre-Super Bowl days? Such as George bragging about the Pack's 12 rings. The Browns had quite the history before the Super Bowl era, but no one ever talks about that now--22 playoff appearances in their first 40 years of existence, 10 straight title game appearances, 4 championships between 1950 and 1964.

I'm glad you brought that up. I consider pre-SB NFL champions valid and equal w/ SB champions. But I don't share that same consideration for pre-SB AFL champs.

Notables (teams w/o a SB chapionship)...

NOTES: The 1st NFL Championship game was played in 1933. Prior to that, the regular season winner was the NFL Champion. The Green Bay Packers were started in 1921 by a packing company that originated in Providence, RI.

1964 Browns
1960 Eagles
1957 Lions
1955 Browns
1954 Browns
1953 Lions
1952 Lions
1950 Browns
1949 Eagles
1948 Eagles
1947 Cardinals
1940 Bears*
(*won 73-0 over the Redskins. Won SB XX but set a record margin of victory in a championship game.)
1937 Redskins*
(*a 3 time SB winner, won their 1st championship in their first season in their new home, Washington, DC. They moved from Boston.

)
1935 Lions

1928 Providence Steamroller w/ a 9-1-1 record.
New England's first NFL Champion!!! before Dallas, before Boston, before Green Bay!!!

**#1PaFan** · 10-08-04 04:01 PM

Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35

Don't mean to hijack, but what's your opinion on the teams who claim NFL championships from the pre-merger/pre-Super Bowl days? Such as George bragging about the Pack's 12 rings. The Browns had quite the history before the Super Bowl era, but no one ever talks about that now--22 playoff appearances in their first 40 years of existence, 10 straight title game appearances, 4 championships between 1950 and 1964.

You don't talk to too many Browns fans, do ya Nat? I hear about it enough.

The NFL started way before the '66-'67 season. If you disagree with that, tell Jim Brown.

**DaBoys4LifeNYY35** · 10-08-04 05:32 PM

Originally posted by #1PaFan

You don't talk to too many Browns fans, do ya Nat? I hear about it enough.

One of my best friends is a Browns fan... all he does is hide in his coccoon of sorrow over their Super Bowl-era futility. I suppose you hear about it more because you're always bringing up those 12 rings your team won.

**#1PaFan** · 10-08-04 05:37 PM

Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35

One of my best friends is a Browns fan... all he does is hide in his coccoon of sorrow over their Super Bowl-era futility. I suppose you hear about it more because you're always bringing up those 12 rings your team won.

No. My friends are adults. Some even remember some of the Browns' glory, the old bastards!

**Santana** · 10-10-04 12:46 PM

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan

Bunch of bull said by a man who follows a bunch of losers.........

Are you jealous, maybe? You sure sound bitter. Could it be because the Jets, umm, for lack of a better word, suck?

**PawSoxNation** · 10-10-04 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Santana

Are you jealous, maybe? You sure sound bitter. Could it be because the Jets, umm, for lack of a better word, suck?

No, thats the better word...GO PATS!

**JeffWeaverFan** · 10-10-04 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Santana

Are you jealous, maybe? You sure sound bitter. Could it be because the Jets, umm, for lack of a better word, suck?

Firstly, when did I ever say that? I can't find it anywhere.

Secondly, the Jets are undefeated so no, they don't suck.

**RIyankee** · 10-11-04 09:55 AM

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan

Secondly, the Jets are undefeated so no, they don't suck.

Yes they do.

BTW that home game against the Bledsoe's Bills was a real nail biter.

**hugelongtermdeal** · 10-11-04 01:06 PM

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan

Firstly, when did I ever say that? I can't find it anywhere.

Secondly, the Jets are undefeated so no, they don't suck.

The Jets might suck .. they might not suck. We really won't find out until they play a decent team. However, they have 4 wins against 3rd rate teams ... so I wouldn't get too excited yet.

**cubswin** · 10-11-04 01:13 PM

Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal

The Jets might suck .. they might not suck. We really won't find out until they play a decent team. However, they have 4 wins against 3rd rate teams ... so I wouldn't get too excited yet.

While a 4-0 start doesn't guarantee anything. ot's a bit much to say the Jets suck. Even if they haven't played anybody tough, one hallmark of teams that do suck is that they lose to bad teams and they lose close games, like yesterday's versus Buffalo.

**dabomb2045** · 10-11-04 01:28 PM

Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal

The Jets might suck .. they might not suck. We really won't find out until they play a decent team. However, they have 4 wins against 3rd rate teams ... so I wouldn't get too excited yet.

teams that are 4-0...dont suck....I dont care what their schedule is

alot of good teams lose bad games....games they shouldnt lose (atlanta to detroit at home....seattle blowing a 17 point lead with 6 mins left at home)

the mark of a good team is beating the teams u are better then....and so far the jets have done that

**JeffWeaverFan** · 10-11-04 05:08 PM

Originally posted by dabomb2045

teams that are 4-0...dont suck....I dont care what their schedule is

alot of good teams lose bad games....games they shouldnt lose (atlanta to detroit at home....seattle blowing a 17 point lead with 6 mins left at home)

the mark of a good team is beating the teams u are better then....and so far the jets have done that

Not to mention San Diego is actually a pretty good team and is 3-2.

**Soriambi** · 10-11-04 10:22 PM

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan

Not to mention San Diego is actually a pretty good team and is 3-2.

And the Bengals and Bills are better than many give them credit for. The Dolphins, ok, they're not very good.

I think it's very clear that neither the Jets or Patriots suck.

**PinstripePride** · 10-12-04 12:12 AM

The Jets D is scaring me.

**dabomb2045** · 10-12-04 08:00 AM

Originally posted by PinstripePride
The Jets D is scaring me.

Bradway and Edwards deserve alot of credit for totally turning around the state of the defense

last year....we were old and slow....

this year....we have speed....and the ability to make plays...and more importantly....we are very young and have the potential to become a great defense....Abraham...Ellis...Robertson....Vilma...Hobson...McGraw...Coleman all will continue to get better....the signing of Barton has looked very good thus far....Barratt has been pretty good....and Donnie Abraham is having a very nice comeback year

**RIyankee** · 10-12-04 08:59 AM

I hope everyone knows I was just kidding about the the Jets in my last post (see the smileys?). Seriously, at the very worst, the Jets are heading for the playoffs.

**hugelongtermdeal** · 10-18-04 11:58 AM

Originally posted by dabomb2045

teams that are 4-0...dont suck....I dont care what their schedule is

alot of good teams lose bad games....games they shouldnt lose (atlanta to detroit at home....seattle blowing a 17 point lead with 6 mins left at home)

the mark of a good team is beating the teams u are better then....and so far the jets have done that

If that makes you feel better. The fact is, they've beaten the worst of worst (in unimpressive fashion). If they play well against the Pats - then hats off to them. But, I don't see it happening. Pats 31, Jets 13.

**Buckeye Yank** · 10-18-04 12:20 PM

Originally posted by RIyankee
A friend of mine from Ohio who played QB for Ohio Univ. told me he had seen high school stadiums that were better than old Foxboro Stadium.

Ohio high school football is in it's own little universe.

Getting back on topic, I'm thinking the Pats / Steelers matchup should be interesting.

**PlsDontTearDownY.S.** · 10-18-04 01:24 PM

Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal

If that makes you feel better. The fact is, they've beaten the worst of worst (in unimpressive fashion). If they play well against the Pats - then hats off to them. But, I don't see it happening. Pats 31, Jets 13.

It's not the Patriots way to blow out opponents... they do all the little things right when the game is on the line. They are not wiping teams out like Philly is, so I see no reason why the Jets can't go up there and be in the game. Whoever makes plays late will win. Also, our run defense is better than the Patriots run D.

**RIyankee** · 10-18-04 03:12 PM

I'm a Pats fan who hates the Jets. That said, there's no way the Pats will beat the Jets that easily. 31-13 is ridiculous. In truth, the Pats WRs are depleted. David Givens has been shut down by opposing defenses while David Patten has been dropping way too many passes while being outmuscled by bigger CBs. Moreover LT Matt Light was a turnstile against Seattle and Brady has taken way too many hits the past two weeks. If the Jets were smart, they would put 8 in the box to stop Dillon and force the Pats to beat them via the air.

On the plus side, the Jets don't have the big, talented WR to take advantage of the shorter RCBs (Poole, Samuel) on deep fade routes. Furthermore, the Jets secondary is the weakest part of their "D" and, even with a nicked up WR corps, the Pats could find ways to exploit it.

Bottom line: Defense and turnovers will decide the outcome.

**hugelongtermdeal** · 10-25-04 10:45 AM

Originally posted by dabomb2045

teams that are 4-0...dont suck....I dont care what their schedule is

alot of good teams lose bad games....games they shouldnt lose (atlanta to detroit at home....seattle blowing a 17 point lead with 6 mins left at home)

the mark of a good team is beating the teams u are better then....and so far the jets have done that

Well .... they don't suck, but they clearly aren't in the same league with the Pats. This game wasn't as close as the score indicated....

**Soriambi** · 10-25-04 12:02 PM

Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal

Well .... they don't suck, but they clearly aren't in the same league with the Pats. This game wasn't as close as the score indicated....

You really don't? I thought it was closer. The Jets fumbled inside the Pats 10 (And for the record, it wasn't like it was an amazing strip of the ball-he just dropped it), which should have been points of some type there, the Jets could have kicked a FG late if it had been a 3 point game, and the Jets got called for two penalties, 12 men on the field (which changed it from being Jets ball to being Pats ball and they eventually kicked a FG) and Roughing the Passer (which was an arguable call, and most likely gave the Pats 7 points instead of 3.)

I don't see exactly where you're getting any more Patriot points from, other than the fact that they had more yards, but I'm certainly willing to listen to your reasoning. I just think there are concrete things that I pointed at that could have either put points on the board or taken them off for the Pats (And I think it's pretty reasonable that Sowell wouldn't fumble, that the RTP call could have not been made, and that the Jets could count. The one drive for the Pats that I would single out was the Taunting/Fumble drive, but they would have still been at the 21, not the 7 or 8 yard line there.

Again, like I said in the other thread, the Pats beat them, but I thought that the game was fairly evenly matched and that the score probably indicated about what the game was, a six point game either way that fell the Pats way due to a few breaks. (Which as I gave them credit for in the other thread, they always seem to take advantage of-lesser teams don't do that-they can get breaks and still lose. The Patriots don't.)

**RIyankee** · 10-25-04 12:22 PM

The Patriots have set the official NFL record for winning 18 straight regular season games. The old record of 17 was set by the 1933-34 Chicago Bears.

**JeffWeaverFan** · 10-25-04 01:34 PM

Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
This game wasn't as close as the score indicated....

You weren't watching the same game everyone else was. I don't know where you even come up with that. Soriambi said it best.

**RIyankee** · 10-25-04 03:39 PM

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan

You weren't watching the same game everyone else was. I don't know where you even come up with that. Soriambi said it best.

Not once did any of the Jets fans mentioned the numerous dropped passes by the Pats. If TE Daniel Graham hadn't dropped a perfect pass, the Pats might have scored a TD instead of a FG on their opening series. If RB Kevin Faulk hadn't dropped another perfectly thrown ball for 30 yards on 3rd down, the Pats might have scored more points (and I would have locked up a "W" in week # 7 in the NYYFFL).

The Pats have now beaten the Jets, Seahwks, and Colts. Meanwhile, the Jets have beaten nobody tough. NE has the better team. Deal with it.

**JeffWeaverFan** · 10-25-04 03:54 PM

Originally posted by RIyankee
The Pats have now beaten the Jets, Seahwks, and Colts. Meanwhile, the Jets have beaten nobody tough. NE has the better team. Deal with it.

San Diego is a pretty good team actually. I'm done talking about it. We will see who wins the day after Christmas. As I said in the Jets thread, I will put my money where my mouth is.

**NDBoston** · 10-25-04 04:08 PM

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan

San Diego is a pretty good team actually. I'm done talking about it. We will see who wins the day after Christmas. As I said in the Jets thread, I will put my money where my mouth is.

I will bet you. Whatever the spread is. Name the bet.

**JeffWeaverFan** · 10-25-04 04:13 PM

Originally posted by NDBoston

I will bet you. Whatever the spread is. Name the bet.

Well, we already have $50 on who will win the AFC East. (You said we had a bet on the AL East in the other thread, but I'm pretty sure that isn't me). I have no problem betting another $50 on the game, whatever the spread is at gametime.

**DJnVa** · 10-25-04 06:38 PM

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
We will see who wins the day after Christmas. As I said in the Jets thread, I will put my money where my mouth is.

Well, you may win that game. But this fan would prefer making the playoffs and winning the final game you play in them to see who the better team is. Would you have enough money to wager on that?

**Looie #19** · 10-25-04 09:25 PM

The Patriots are doing pretty well, I can just imagine where they'd be with a non-system QB like Jake Delhomme under center.

**JeffWeaverFan** · 10-26-04 01:39 AM

Originally posted by DJnVa

Well, you may win that game. But this fan would prefer making the playoffs and winning the final game you play in them to see who the better team is. Would you have enough money to wager on that?

We will have to wait on this. Still a lot of time.

**DJnVa** · 10-26-04 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Looie #19
The Patriots are doing pretty well, I can just imagine where they'd be with a non-system QB like Jake Delhomme under center.

Soooo, I'm confused. Do you think they'd be better or worse? Delhomme isn't exactly lighting it up.

**hugelongtermdeal** · 10-26-04 10:07 AM

JWF ... please read. Some of your most commonly repeated misstatements regarding the Pats are debunked here.

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sp...rticleid=81510

" The difference in the contest, then, wasn't that the Jets made mistakes and the Patriots didn't. It was the Patriots' ability to rise in crunch time, stopping New York on its final drive, out-executing their foe at the most crucial juncture. "

**JeffWeaverFan** · 10-26-04 03:01 PM

Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
JWF ... please read. Some of your most commonly repeated misstatements regarding the Pats are debunked here.

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sp...rticleid=81510

" The difference in the contest, then, wasn't that the Jets made mistakes and the Patriots didn't. It was the Patriots' ability to rise in crunch time, stopping New York on its final drive, out-executing their foe at the most crucial juncture. "

I'm done with this. I still feel that if those two bad calls weren't made it would have been a different game. Then again, if we hadn't shot ourselves in the foot twice it would have also been a different game. Maybe the Pats would have still won the game even if they got bad calls on them and that's the difference. As of now, I'm thinking about Miami and am very confident in not only our chances against the Pats in the Meadowlands, but in our chances of winning the division.

**WebsterMulligan** · 10-26-04 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Looie #19
The Patriots are doing pretty well, I can just imagine where they'd be with a non-system QB like Jake Delhomme under center.

They would probably be in 2nd or 3rd place, behind the Jets. Brady is the one that makes the Pat's go.

**#1PaFan** · 10-26-04 06:27 PM

Originally posted by WebsterMulligan

They would probably be in 2nd or 3rd place, behind the Jets. Brady is the one that makes the Pat's go.

Agreed. Anybody that simply dismisses Brady doesn't understand what it takes for a QB to work with the system.
I'm certainly not a Patriots fan but Brady is the perfect fit with what they are doing in New England. It kind of reminds me of Aikman in Dallas and back with Starr in Green Bay. None of those QBs would kill you with their stats, but they helped their teams kill your teams.

None of the three were "great" innovators on the field but they somehow managed to find a way to win within their own system. It comes down to damn good coaching, damn good discipline and having a solid team around them.

**Looie #19** · 10-27-04 09:29 AM

Originally posted by DJnVa
Soooo, I'm confused. Do you think they'd be better or worse? Delhomme isn't exactly lighting it up.

No kidding, that was the joke. It was an homage to someone actually insinuating the Delhomme was better than Brady, on account that Delhomme "wasn't a system QB" and how he was "better" in last year's Super Bowl. Some people really have to dig deep to bash players they really dislike. It's almost as bad as those who claim players fake injuries for personal glory, but not quite as childish and petty.

**NYPenn** · 11-11-04 12:31 AM

I just have to note that I've been a Pats fan for more than 30 years (my first football love was Randy Vataha), and I find any and all references to the Pats being "lucky" and getting favoritism from the refs to be hilarious in the extreme.

**NDBoston** · 12-27-04 07:10 AM

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Well, we already have $50 on who will win the AFC East. (You said we had a bet on the AL East in the other thread, but I'm pretty sure that isn't me). I have no problem betting another $50 on the game, whatever the spread is at gametime.

You now owe me $100.

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