Carlos Tosca fired by Blue Jays

[yeahimweird]

Sorry about there being no link. I saw it on ESPNews.

[JDPNYY]

Any word on a replacement.

I wonder who will be bringing out the Jays lineup card tomorrow afternoon.

[yankeesfaninaz]

here is the link http://tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?id=94125'
He should have stayed with the Diamondbacks as a coach.

[YankeeFan1]

PJ Ricciardi has nerve to fire Tosca after putting together that team. Ricciardi should have fired himself along with Tosca.

[Bernie Inferno]

John Gibbons interim manager.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1855126

Not Tosca's fault Delgado and Wells were injured.

[ring403]

No big surprise, considering the high expectations going into the season. Right now, the Blue Jays are an emotionless bunch, who seem resigned to playing out the string. It's just much easier to fire one manager than 25 players.

[Soriambi]

Originally posted by Bernie Inferno
John Gibbons interim manager.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1855126

Not Tosca's fault Delgado and Wells were injured.

Not to mention Halladay.

[Honus Joglund]

Originally posted by YankeeFan1
PJ Ricciardi has nerve to fire Tosca after putting together that team. Ricciardi should have fired himself along with Tosca.

Huh? JP did his job in the winter. He put together a team that looked like it could at least have been competive. He brought in decent relievers like Ligtenberg, Speier, and Adams, patched a couple of holes in the rotation, found a replacement for Bordick as a UTIL IF and when Myers went down early on, he found Zaun. Not much more JP could do under the budget he has to abide by. This team is better on paper than it was last year, but they all under acheived and Tosca didn't know what he was doing with them them, so all of JP's work meant nothing. Not JP's fault that the manager couldn't run his ball club, the offense and relievers disappeared and the entire system has been blasted with injuries.

[Mo_04]

Originally posted by YankeeFan1
PJ Ricciardi has nerve to fire Tosca after putting together that team. Ricciardi should have fired himself along with Tosca.

Unless you believed that the blue jays were a last place team before the season started, this is a ridiculous statement. Besides that, you are basically saying that every time a manager gets fired the GM deserves to go too, because afterall...he DID put together the team.

I don't think there are any blue jay fans who thought this guy was a good manager.

[Honus Joglund]

Originally posted by Mo_04


I don't think there are any blue jay fans who thought this guy was a good manager.

Nope... I haven't come accross any Jays fans that think that Tosca was even half way decent. Everyone at the Jays board are happy to see him gone.

[Alex]

Scapegoat.

[derekjeter916]

I feel bad for the guy, because he did well last year. He can't control injuries.

[YankeeFan1]

If the players were injured then how is that Tosca's fault? If Hentegen turned out to be ineffective and retired, how is that Tosca's fault? PJ is responsible for putting that team and has to bare some of blame for its failure. He hired Tosca as well. So he is responsible all the way around for the team's failure. Firing Tosca is just a way of shifting the blame. Ken Williams did the exact same thing with Jerry Manuel last season and hire Guillen only to see the team stumble as well this season.

"I knew real early that we had the right guy in charge," general manager J.P. Ricciardi said. "We are going in the right direction. We've said all along that we wanted to change the perception that the Blue Jays were a team that didn't hustle or play hard."
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunhera...ts/3994854.htm

[sorigirl]

Originally posted by derekjeter916
I feel bad for the guy, because he did well last year. He can't control injuries.

Ditto, ditto, ditto.

[ring403]

The Tosca wasn't fired because of the teams record. As has been said, he can't do anything about injuries. He was fired because the team has stopped trying. The effort of the players is one thing that the manager can, and must insist on.
How many times have we seen Joe Torre scold, and even bench a player for not running out a ground ball?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

Toronto slipped into last place in the division, and Ricciardi said he saw an air of resignation in the Blue Jays' effort.

``We may have been starting to mail it in a little bit,'' he said.

[Serge]

Originally posted by ring403
The Tosca wasn't fired because of the teams record. As has been said, he can't do anything about injuries. He was fired because the team has stopped trying. The effort of the players is one thing that the manager can, and must insist on.
How many times have we seen Joe Torre scold, and even bench a player for not running out a ground ball? [/B]

Wow, you can't stop trying. Play hard and maybe a better team will notice you.

[The Q Bomb]

Originally posted by ring403
The Tosca wasn't fired because of the teams record. As has been said, he can't do anything about injuries. He was fired because the team has stopped trying. The effort of the players is one thing that the manager can, and must insist on.
How many times have we seen Joe Torre scold, and even bench a player for not running out a ground ball?

First of all, I have NEVER seedn Torre bench a player for not running a ground ball! True, you very rarely see that on The Yankees - but I've seen what appeared to be lack of effort in the field or on the basebaths a few times (very few to be honest) that would warrant a benching and Torre never does. I do see him "talk" to players but it seems more instructional - like when they make an incorrect play than a scolding.

Secondly, I was at the game Friday night when The Blue Jays were killed by The Yanks and the umpires and I was remarking upon the fact that even though they were down by so many runs and so early in the game, they played crisply and did not look "down". Guess I was the only one who thought that.

I don't think Carlos was a particularly good manager - but I do think it was quite tacky to fire a manager after the third game of a four game series when the team is not fighting for anything. It's not like if they turn things around tomorrow The Blue Jays will advance in the standings or make the playoffs. Riccardi could well have waited until the team returned home or had an off day. The guys are cold hearted dogs.

[chelloveck]

jimmy williams, carlos tosca.... is it possible tony peña will get fired soon also?

[ring403]

Originally posted by The Q Bomb


I do see him "talk" to players but it seems more instructional - like when they make an incorrect play than a scolding.

Like when he used the media to "talk" to Bernie Williams, and tell him that loafing it down the first base line was not acceptable?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/st...p-166705c.html

Torre also chastised Bernie Williams for not running out a fly ball that was dropped in the ninth, saying, "There's no excuse for Bernie not running the ball out."

[YankeeFan1]

Originally posted by ring403
The Tosca wasn't fired because of the teams record. As has been said, he can't do anything about injuries. He was fired because the team has stopped trying. The effort of the players is one thing that the manager can, and must insist on.
How many times have we seen Joe Torre scold, and even bench a player for not running out a ground ball?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

Toronto slipped into last place in the division, and Ricciardi said he saw an air of resignation in the Blue Jays' effort.

``We may have been starting to mail it in a little bit,'' he said.

I never buy the "not trying hard" excuse for firing managers, especially after most of the season is over and there is no hope. If the management was serious about saving the season and changing the players' attitude, they would have fired Tosca much earlier in the season. When a team is in last place, the consistent losing wears on players. Of course, they don't play as hard as they would if they weren't at the bottom of the barrel. Alan Trammell, the manager of the Tigers was one of the first managers I have ever heard admit this late last season, though it was probably because he knew his job was safe. Firing the manager rarely ever makes a difference because if the team isn't good enough, it isn't good enough as in the case of the Blue Jays with all their injuries. However, the management fires the manager to make it look like they are doing some and it satisfies the fans who are calling for blood.

[caroline331]

First of all the Jays started their season getting swept by the Tigers. That was when the fans started to call for Tosca's head on a stick.

Yeah the team was hurt by injuries to key players all year long (Halladay, Delgado, Wells, Cash, Myers, among others). Some of these injuries (Halladay in particular due to the 500+ innings he threw over the last 2 years) are the blame of management.

But what killed Tosca was lack of small ball and use of the bullpen.

[YankeeFan1]

Since Ricciardi is a Moneyball guy who opposes small ball that is definitely not a reason to fire Tosca.

[sorigirl]

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ne..._mlb&fext=.jsp

Hours before the move, he received an endorsement from the other clubhouse. Joe Torre, New York's manager, summed up the situation in a few well-placed words.

"There's a reason he got that job over there, because he's a good baseball man and he knows what he's doing," said Torre. "He's had a lot of injuries to major people over there this year, which is why they may have gotten off to the start that they did.

"It's one of those things. A manager's job is relying on the record, even though a lot of people don't take into consideration what caused that record."

[ConnYanksFan]

On past Yankees-Blue Jays games I've heard Kaat and Singleton talking about how some Blue Jays players didn't like playing for Carlos Tosca since he never played pro ball. Perhaps that was a contributing factor in his firing.

Anyways, I'm glad to see John Gibbons taking over for Tosca. Gibbons is an ex-Scranton catcher.

[YankeeFan1]

Originally posted by ConnYanksFan
On past Yankees-Blue Jays games I've heard Kaat and Singleton talking about how some Blue Jays players didn't like playing for Carlos Tosca since he never played pro ball. Perhaps that was a contributing factor in his firing.

Anyways, I'm glad to see John Gibbons taking over for Tosca. Gibbons is an ex-Scranton catcher.

This may very well be true. Again it just reinforces my opinion that Ricciardi is as much to blame for this debacle as Tosca. Didn't it occur Ricciardi that baseball players are more comfortable playing for a manager who played the game at some level?