I was looking at VORP ratings and I see that pitchers are only rated on their batting. And I was wondering, is there anything like VORP for Pitchers?
I was looking at VORP ratings and I see that pitchers are only rated on their batting. And I was wondering, is there anything like VORP for Pitchers?
Thank you and thank you. Always with the Prospectus articles.
What's the formula for VORP and what does the stat emphasize?
Originally posted by RIyankee
What's the formula for VORP and what does the stat emphasize?http://www.baseballprospectus.com/gl....php?context=2VORP [ Details ] [ Return To Top ]
Value Over Replacement Player. The number of runs contributed beyond what a replacement-level player would contribute if given the same percentage of team plate appearances.
VORPr [ Details ] [ Return To Top ]
VORP rate. Runs/game contributed beyond what a replacement level player would produce. Also a rate stat.
I'm not sure where the exact formula is, but basically VORP for hitters determines the amount of extra runs a player would create if he was placed in a lineup of league average players. I'm not exactly sure about VORP for pitchers, however. I'll have to check when I get home and have access to my book.
Originally posted by Irony Of It All
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/gl....php?context=2
I'm not sure where the exact formula is, but basically VORP for hitters determines the amount of extra runs a player would create if he was placed in a lineup of league average players. I'm not exactly sure about VOP for pitchers, however. I'll have to check when I get home and have access to my book.
yeah, this is covered extremely well in the Baseball Prospectus 2004 book. It's a chapter in the beginning (i know you know all this, irony), so if you pick up the book, RIYankee, it can explain everything.
Thank you Irony and WiffleWood.
Is the book available in stores or is it only through BP?
You should be able to find it in any Barnes & Noble or Borders, or if you'd like, you could probably order it through the Amazon link on this site.Originally posted by RIyankee
Thank you Irony and WiffleWood.
Is the book available in stores or is it only through BP?
help the site, use the amazon link!Originally posted by Irony Of It All
You should be able to find it in any Barnes & Noble or Borders, or if you'd like, you could probably order it through the Amazon link on this site.
you won't regret it. the book is great (although slightly out of date now, as it obviously only has stats up until the beginning of this season)
Used the Amazon site link and Baseball Prospectus 2004 is on it's way.Originally posted by WiffleWOOD
help the site, use the amazon link!
you won't regret it. the book is great (although slightly out of date now, as it obviously only has stats up until the beginning of this season)
I just got my 2004 BP book (through NYYFans Amazon linkOriginally posted by WiffleWOOD
help the site, use the amazon link!
you won't regret it. the book is great (although slightly out of date now, as it obviously only has stats up until the beginning of this season)) yesterday. Albeit the material is dated from January, I still can't put it down. I'm looking foward to getting it for 2005.
I love what they said about Terrance Long. Very funny. Thanks for letting me know about it. My brother would be interested in the BP book too.
Like I said, the info isn't up to date, but it's still a fantastic book. Thanks for using the link.
It's going to be interesting to see how their projections hold up at the end of the year.Originally posted by WiffleWOOD
Like I said, the info isn't up to date, but it's still a fantastic book. Thanks for using the link.
yeah. PECOTA in its sophomore year, wonder how it does compared to last year with all of the tweaks they put into it.
The basis of VORP is Marginal lineup value. MLV is how many runs a player would add to a lineup of average players. The lineup I will show you next would score zero runs above average per game or per season.Originally Posted by RIyankee
Average Player
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Here is a lineup with Lance Berkman inserted right in the middle.
Average Player
Average Player
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Lance Berkman
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Average Player
Lance Berkman added a MLVr (the rate version on MLV) of .433, so he would add, on average .433 runs a game on a team full of average players, then you would have to adjust for park and position, and also get VORPr.
Please don't berate me for asking this, but what does VORP stand for? I have seen it here but I don't know what it means. Thanks!
"Maybe someday you'll be our shortstop and your number will hang out here (in Monument Park),'" recalled Cashman. "He's the only one I ever said that to, and it's actually going to happen."
oops, never mind my last question. I just found it...
you'd never get berated for asking a question! don't be nervous to post in here if you are unsure of things, that's what a lot of us are here to do: help.
VORP means Value Over Replacement Player.
Thank you! And thank you Wifflewood!
is this a true statement? the gist of it is correct - but where does the MLVr stipulate that berkman must be placed in the middle of the lineup? are you implying he hit in the #4 slot to obtain that .433 runs per game? i'm not saying you're wrong, mind you. just trying to wrap my mind fully around this stuff (as always LOL!)
Well, it's just in the lineup that matters. It just makes more sense, and it is easier for people to understand if he's in the middle, I guess.
right ok. that's what i assumed. it'd be interesting (would it be possible?) to project how many more runs player X would score on a team full of league avg guys.....at each slot in the lineup. uh....hell my BP is at home and already my brain hurts.
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