All things must pass: Will the curse end?

[paisano]

Watching the hated Red Sox do something they have not done since 1913 (winning the first 6 of 7 games against us) killed me! I knew that I had never witnessed such a fiasco in my 30 plus years as a Yankee fan, but I never imagined it went back to before the curse!

Is this a sign that the curse will end this year? I know all things must end, all records are meant to be broken, but I am not convinced that it's time yet for Boston to beat us. Not this team, not this year.

I refuse to believe that this team is as bad as they have played thus far!
I've been a baseball fan too long to believe that a team that looks as good as they do on paper and with a manager like Joe Torre could ever be this bad. It's just a culmination of everything going wrong at the wrong time. Players aren't hitting, pitchers aren't pitching (making costly mistakes like the one to Manny) and fielders botching plays, etc. etc.

Yes, talent will prevail in the end, but luck/fortune is a very critical element in the game of baseball. Take Atlanta for instance. I live here so I get to see their games. They are not even in the same league talent wise with their arch rivals and defending champs Florida Marlins, but they have found a way to beat them 5 of 6 games! The fish are 11-1 against everyone else!!! Did the Braves pound them every game?
Nope. They beat them very much the same way the Sox beat us...in extra innings one game, a nailbiter another, a blowout in another, etc. etc. The similarities are scary.

Just as cream rises to the top, so shall our pinstripers!

[Hitman23]

What the Yanks and Sox do in August and September mean alot more to me then what they do in April. Getting beat 6 out of 7 games doesn't make me happy. It royally sucks. But it's not going to make me think anything will change. The only thing that will ever make me believe that Boston will not fail is for them to actually not do it.

[terry14420]

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
This should be in Around the Majors. And no, the curse wil never end.

I disagree about this being in Around the Majors. It's all related to the Yanks.

[paisano]

Originally posted by terry14420
I disagree about this being in Around the Majors. It's all related to the Yanks.

Thanks. I agree. Just because I mentioned two other teams (GASP!), it doesn't mean it belongs elsewhere. I was just trying to illustrate my point and show how similar our situation is (except the Marlins are still in first!)

[kennyl]

don't be so silly, they will never win; after this year when the wheels come off and they lose half their team it won't even be mentioned again.

[PinStripesAnonymous]

The Curse for the Redsox has nothing to do with the Redsox beating the Yankees to win the AL pennant.

The curse is that the Redsox have not won the WORLD SERIES since Babe Ruth was traded.

They might not even have to go through the Yankees to do so.
If the Yankees win the Wildcard, but are beaten by Anaheim or Oakland in the first round, the Redsox would go on to the World Series without even seeing the Yankees in the playoffs (assuming the Redsox won the division, and the Yankees the wildcard).

[mrsintangibles]

Originally posted by Hitman23
[B]What the Yanks and Sox do in August and September mean alot more to me then what they do in April.

I've heard this argument posted in several places, and frankly, it's stupid. Games in April count AS MUCH toward a team's record as games in August and September do. At this point, the Yankees have to go 92-51 for the rest of the season in order to win 100 games. Doable? Yes? Difficult? Most definetly. Likely? I have NO idea. Yes, it's still early in the season. But does anybody honestly think that the lineup is just going to wake up tomorrow and say "Hmmm. I think I'll start hitting today!" Does anybody honestly think we can stop worrying about Moose because he "only" allowed 4 runs in his last start? Or that Contreras will settle down? Or a 5th starter will materialize out of nowhere? Or that we won't be up a MAJOR creek if Brown throws out his back, which could happen any day now? This "it's only April" argument only works if you don't have funamental flaws in your team. Right now, I'm just not sure that's the case with the Yankees. And I'm concerned.

[Hitman23]

Originally posted by mrsintangibles
I've heard this argument posted in several places, and frankly, it's stupid. Games in April count AS MUCH toward a team's record as games in August and September do.

I don't disagree that the games count as much now as they do in September. But the Yanks are in a slump. And this could happen at any point during the year. If they had started out the season well and then went through a stretch of losing 7 out of 10 would you be as concerned??

This problem is amplified because we lost to the one team that we don't want to lose to. The Sox are playing well, but in no way does it mean they will be just as hot the next time we see eachother. Nor does it have any indication that game in August and September will turn out the same. I am concerned, trust me. But I'm not going to judge the entire season based on recent play.

[WiffleWOOD]

Originally posted by paisano


Thanks. I agree. Just because I mentioned two other teams (GASP!), it doesn't mean it belongs elsewhere.

yes it does. I don't know how many times the Moderators have to say this, especially since it is spelled out clearly in the Community Standards, but JeffWeaverFan is right:

http://www.nyyfans.com/communityStandards.php#8

"Around the Majors is for threads that involve other teams. That includes trades that other teams make. It doesn't matter how huge the trade is or how it will effect the Yankees if it's not directly about the Yankees those threads belong in Around the Majors, NOT Yankees: Inside The Lines."


This thread belongs in Around the Majors, as it is a thread about Boston's chances at breaking the curse. This has nothing to do with the Yankees on the field.

[edit: re-reading your original post, it is two different topics. the Title of the thread and the first two paragraphs are not for Inside the Lines. the second set of paragraphs is about the Yankees, and is in the right forum. So my advice would be to keep your post on one topic rather than both, and you won't run into this problem.]

[mrsintangibles]

Originally posted by Hitman23
This problem is amplified because we lost to the one team that we don't want to lose to. The Sox are playing well, but in no way does it mean they will be just as hot the next time we see eachother. Nor does it have any indication that game in August and September will turn out the same. I am concerned, trust me. But I'm not going to judge the entire season based on recent play. [/B]

Um, herein lies the problem. The Sox are batting .251 right now as a team. Their pitching is performing pretty much as expected. Sure, their bullpen will give up a run EVENTUALLY. It will probably be at about the time they get Trot and Nomar back and start to bat .300 as a team. To say that the Sox on a "hot streak" right now is a gross underestimation of this Sox team.

Will our beloved Yanks finally start to play? Sure, eventually. But if they're 12 games behind the Sox when the offense finally decides to wake up, don't expect to win the divison.

[Jeter&Johnson]

Instead of worrying the curse of the babe, I think we need to pay more attention to our own curse.

We haven't won a WS since we've traded David Justice, I think that this could be a huge problem.

[ACPS]

Trade for Dave Justice. Get ESPN on the phone.

Actually, the Curse of Mike Mussina could work better...

[Hitman23]

Originally posted by mrsintangibles
Their pitching is performing pretty much as expected. Sure, their bullpen will give up a run EVENTUALLY.

As expected?? They shut the Yankee batters down. That's alot more then expected. You can't think that poor hitting by the Yanks is soley based on them just sucking. Maybe the Yanks are in such a hitting slump because opposing pitching has been superb. And if great pitching wins you alot of games it's still a hot streak. It isn't just confined to the team clobbering everyone else offensively.

[Bosox Guy in Chitown]

A curse would have to exist before it could end. Therefore, no, it will not end this year because it never was.

Now, will Shaughnessy's favorite revenue generator end? I don't know. I sure hope so.

[wileedog]

Originally posted by Jeter&Johnson
We haven't won a WS since we've traded David Justice, I think that this could be a huge problem.

[pacewon]

No.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Bosox Guy in Chitown
A curse would have to exist before it could end. Therefore, no, it will not end this year because it never was.

I agree.

[Bosox Guy in Chitown]

Originally posted by Jeter&Johnson
Instead of worrying the curse of the babe, I think we need to pay more attention to our own curse.

We haven't won a WS since we've traded David Justice, I think that this could be a huge problem.

Or signed Jason Giambi.

[pacewon]

Originally posted by Bosox Guy in Chitown



Or signed Jason Giambi.

Yeah but the Justice trade and Giambi signing both came after a season where we hadn't won the World Series.

The Curse of the Moose sounds more like it

[JeffWeaverFan]

Originally posted by terry14420
I disagree about this being in Around the Majors. It's all related to the Yanks.

Yeah, I'm sorry, to be honest, I did not really read the whole post...

[yecul2]

I have some magic beans I can sell you.

[Hitman23]

Originally posted by Bosox Guy in Chitown
A curse would have to exist before it could end. Therefore, no, it will not end this year because it never was.

well, that explains the "reverse the curse" shirts the Sox fans like to wear. It may not actually exist but it's in the heads of the players, fans and organization and that's enough to make it effective.

[Jeter&Johnson]

Originally posted by Hitman23
well, that explains the "reverse the curse" shirts the Sox fans like to wear. It may not actually exist but it's in the heads of the players, fans and organization and that's enough to make it effective.

In Red Sox fans the curse exists and the yankees suck, quite a mixed up world.

[NDBoston]

Originally posted by Hitman23
well, that explains the "reverse the curse" shirts the Sox fans like to wear. It may not actually exist but it's in the heads of the players, fans and organization and that's enough to make it effective.

how many "reverse the curse" shirts do you see?

the rest is a Yankee fan fantasy.

[mrsintangibles]

Originally posted by Hitman23
As expected?? They shut the Yankee batters down. That's alot more then expected. You can't think that poor hitting by the Yanks is soley based on them just sucking. Maybe the Yanks are in such a hitting slump because opposing pitching has been superb. And if great pitching wins you alot of games it's still a hot streak. It isn't just confined to the team clobbering everyone else offensively.

Um, not really. Part of it was probably superb pitching, part of it was probably a slump by the Yankee bats. It's not exactly like the Yanks have a .400 BA against everybody else but the Red Sox this year. Right now, the Red Sox are on pace to win 108 games if they keep their current win percentage up. I would say that anybody who thinks 95-100 wins is unrealistic for this Red Sox team is dreaming. So have they "overachieved" to some extent so far? Possibly. But who, exactly, on the Red Sox pitching staff is exceeding your expectations? And which is the greater value at this point--the "underachievement" of the Red Sox offense with Nomar and Trot out, as well as some slumping bats, or the "overachievement" of Sox pitching?

[Hitman23]

Originally posted by NDBoston
how many "reverse the curse" shirts do you see?

the rest is a Yankee fan fantasy.

If Majestic produces a shirt, it's good enough for me.

[Hitman23]

Originally posted by mrsintangibles
"overachievement" of Sox pitching?

Why is it because the Yankee bats were shut down the Sox pitching was "overachieving"? Good pitching shuts down good hitting. Schilling, Lowe, Wakefield, Pedro..... all outstanding pitchers. I'm not going to go back and forth on this issue but I cannot accept that weak Yankee bats is the sole purpose the Yanks have sucked at the plate.

[Mr T.]

Originally posted by Hitman23
Why is it because the Yankee bats were shut down the Sox pitching was "overachieving"? Good pitching shuts down good hitting. Schilling, Lowe, Wakefield, Pedro..... all outstanding pitchers. I'm not going to go back and forth on this issue but I cannot accept that weak Yankee bats is the sole purpose the Yanks have sucked at the plate.

Let's slow down a bit... Wakefield is an above average pitcher at best.

Unfortunately regarding the RedSux they have no apparent weaknesses this year...

Their offense is coming off of one of the best years in baseball history and is largely unchanged.

Their starting staff was solid last year and only added one of baseball's finest and a proven playoff performer.

The bullpen blew a ton of games last year and this year they don't look like it is going to be a problem.

It is going to be very tough to chase them down this year and unless the Yankees learn how to scratch for a couple of runs a game in tough, well pitched games during the playoffs, which is awfully hard when everyone in your lineup is trying to him a 3 run homer regardless of the number of people on base, this may be the year...

[Curse of Giambi]

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I like this one the best.

[Turd Furguson]

"Let's slow down a bit... Wakefield is an above average pitcher at best."


Wakefield may be average but he OWNS the Yankees and was basically the sole reason the ALCS went to 7 games last year.


All that curse B.S is just that, and Dan Shaughnessey is laughing all the way to the bank as he roots against the Sox day in, day out.


Real Sox fans dont wear "reverse the curse" or "Yankees suck" shirts.

[WakefieldsCrewSox]

There is no curse. That is all.



(that having been said, yes...this will be the year that the Red Sox win the World Series)

[Carissa]

Originally posted by Turd Furguson
Wakefield may be average but he OWNS the Yankees and was basically the sole reason the ALCS went to 7 games last year.

Last year, the Yankees couldn't buy a hit off of Wakefield but if you look at his career numbers against them, well, let's just say I wouldn't say that he "owns they Yankees"...

 http://bigleaguers.yahoo.com/mlbpa/p...&type=Pitching

        G GS W L SV CG SHO IP    H   R  ER HR BB K  ERA  WHIP  BAA   
vs.NYY 31 14 7 8 1  0   0  115.0 110 69 62 19 63 78 4.85 1.50 .255

[StaceyRosie]

Originally posted by Turd Furguson

Real Sox fans dont wear "reverse the curse" or "Yankees suck" shirts.

Oh my sides!

[possibledreamer]

The Red Sox are winners because of the talents and commitments of players who have their sights on a common goal. They adapt to the situation on a game by game, inning by inning, batter by batter basis. Look at Wakefield volunteering to skip a start because of a rainout and go into the pen so Schilling could remain in his rotation and to help out Kim with his first season start. "It's better for us as a team."

Every player on this team brings up winning a championship as the focus.

The whole is greater than the sum of its parts?


All the money in the world can't buy desire and a winning mentality.

[StaceyRosie]

Originally posted by possibledreamer
The Red Sox are winners because of the talents and commitments of players who have their sights on a common goal. They adapt to the situation on a game by game, inning by inning, batter by batter basis. Look at Wakefield volunteering to skip a start because of a rainout and go into the pen so Schilling could remain in his rotation and to help out Kim with his first season start. "It's better for us as a team."

Every player on this team brings up winning a championship as the focus.

The whole is greater than the sum of its parts?


All the money in the world can't buy desire and a winning mentality.

Exactly and that is why the Yankees won in 96, 98, 99 and 2000

[NDBoston]

Originally posted by StaceyRosie




Oh my sides!

You think that's funny, wait until I get a look at this "theory" you have. You will be falling out of your seat after I rip it apart.

[StaceyRosie]

Originally posted by NDBoston


You think that's funny, wait until I get a look at this "theory" you have. You will be falling out of your seat after I rip it apart.

Due to the community standards on this board I cannot post what I really want to post....

[NDBoston]

Originally posted by StaceyRosie


Due to the community standards on this board I cannot post what I really want to post....

why don't you just post that theory so I can have a go at it, instead of hinting at what you can't say.

[StaceyRosie]

Originally posted by NDBoston


why don't you just post that theory so I can have a go at it, instead of hinting at what you can't say.

No I will not because it's not my theory. When the person says its okay to talk about it I will.

[NDBoston]

Originally posted by StaceyRosie


No I will not because it's not my theory. When the person says its okay to talk about it I will.

I will be waiting with bated breath.

[Allan]

Originally posted by possibledreamer
The Red Sox are winners because of the talents and commitments of players who have their sights on a common goal. They adapt to the situation on a game by game, inning by inning, batter by batter basis. Look at Wakefield volunteering to skip a start because of a rainout and go into the pen so Schilling could remain in his rotation and to help out Kim with his first season start. "It's better for us as a team."

Every player on this team brings up winning a championship as the focus.

The whole is greater than the sum of its parts?


All the money in the world can't buy desire and a winning mentality.

This would make a great argument if the Red Sox were the winners you say they are. Might I remind you that the big kahuna has eluded them since World War I.

Actually, all joking aside, the Sox do have an awesome looking line-up. They will be a tour de force this season, no doubt. Should make for an exciting season.