Thomas Boswell WASHINGTON POST 1/30/04Hard as it is to accept (without smelling salts), the AL favorite is clearly the Red Sox. Curse or no curse, you can't get around it. The Red Sox are now the overdogs. They're so loaded and rich that they might as well wear pinstripes this season. Last year, Boston had three weak spots. They needed one more stud starting pitcher, a top closer and, finally, a manager who was at least minimally animate.
When I was a kid, my Dad tormented my older Red Sox fan brother. He said to him, "I don't care how many stars the Red Sox have. They won't win. Why, because they're losers."
"Overdogs" that's a good one!
The new Sox manager is nothing to write home about...
It's gonna be fun pulling up threads like this in October
I can see where any writer, even one as reputable as Thomas Boswell, would be compelled to pick the Red Sox over the Yankees. If you pick the Red Sox, you're picking against the grain and going with something new.
Pick the Yankees? Big deal. They win all the time. What's so unique or exciting about that? Nobody likes to be seen as picking Goliath over David.
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Boswell doesn't bother me, I am just afraid of a certain magazine,Originally posted by pacewon
It's gonna be fun pulling up threads like this in October
We didn't win in 2000, trying hard to remember who did win that year
Was that the year Pedro's arm fell off? I hope SI puts Boston on the cover really soon...Originally posted by nufced1918
Boswell doesn't bother me, I am just afraid of a certain magazine,
We didn't win in 2000, trying hard to remember who did win that year
Palmer killed Billy Mays
The Red Sox are one of the top two or three teams in baseball. On paper, they have a very good chance to be in the WS.
Without a doubt, they have spent great sums of money like the Yankee's and are offically a fat cat team... anything less that a World Series victory should be considered a grave disappointment...Originally posted by Rich
The Red Sox are one of the top two or three teams in baseball. On paper, they have a very good chance to be in the WS.
Thats fine....thats fine. Put the pressure on them. The Sox will crack and Ill be there to.....
for yet another year in a row......
FREE CHRIS BRITTON.
Originally posted by NYYFAN
Without a doubt, they have spent great sums of money like the Yankee's and are offically a fat cat team... anything less that a World Series victory should be considered a grave disappointment...
WRONG!
The Sox payroll will be 130M, up to maybe 140M if they beef up the bench. The Yankees payroll is near 200M, before they fill the hole @ 3B. That is 40-50% higher. To say that the Sox payroll is similar or close to the yankees is ludicrous.
Big hat, no cattle.
I bet you said the same thing when Joe Torre was hired.Originally posted by NYYFAN
The new Sox manager is nothing to write home about...
You're being too concrete. The point he was making is that the Sox payroll, like the Yankee payroll, is light years higher than that of any other team. To construe his post in any other way is, to use your word, ludicrous.Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
WRONG!
The Sox payroll will be 130M, up to maybe 140M if they beef up the bench. The Yankees payroll is near 200M, before they fill the hole @ 3B. That is 40-50% higher. To say that the Sox payroll is similar or close to the yankees is ludicrous.
That was exactly my point, thanks for clarifying it Rich...Originally posted by Rich
You're being too concrete. The point he was making is that the Sox payroll, like the Yankee payroll, is light years higher than that of any other team. To construe his post in any other way is, to use your word, ludicrous.
Nice try, but no I didn't...Originally posted by NDBoston
I bet you said the same thing when Joe Torre was hired.
I'm looking forward to Boston fans insulting their manager next year...they always do...
May I suggust Francostein...
The Yankees have been on the cover of the Baseball Preview in
2003
http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/...2003/0331.html
2002
http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/...2002/0325.html
2001
http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/...2001/0326.html
Strangely, we weren't on the preview issue in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, or 2000. Even more strangely, we haven't won since we were on the cover of the preview issue. The SI cover curse is absurd. Have you ever seen something so prophetic??
I can see it now...Schilling and Pedro on the cover of SI
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Originally posted by NYYFAN
The new Sox manager is nothing to write home about...
Compared to Grady Little?
Grady in hisd new jobs with the Cubs advised Dusty Baker that Ken Lofton is a great leadoff hitter and Dustin proudly announced that at the Cubs Convention.
Francostein will make Little look like a genius...Originally posted by nufced1918
Compared to Grady Little?
Grady in hisd new jobs with the Cubs advised Dusty Baker that Ken Lofton is a great leadoff hitter and Dustin proudly announced that at the Cubs Convention.
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Palmer killed Billy Mays
When he was hired? Try last week.Originally posted by NDBoston
I bet you said the same thing when Joe Torre was hired.
~John
Right.....Originally posted by NYYFAN
Nice try, but no I didn't...
I'm looking forward to Boston fans insulting their manager next year...they always do...
May I suggust Francostein...
I'm sure you were the one Yankee fan who was pumped and jacked when Torre was hire.
Hey, I'm one of the ones who still doesn't want Torre. I still don't understand your point - Just because a manager comes highly hyped or not, doesn't have any bearing on how he'll do or how the team will do. You're trying to suggest that because Torre was a questionable choice and then went on to win 4 WS titles that it's a good thing that some people think that Francona is a questionable decision.Originally posted by NDBoston
Right.....
I'm sure you were the one Yankee fan who was pumped and jacked when Torre was hire.
Either way, this season isn't going to come down to managers, it's going to come down to healthy players, and players performing at their expected levels.
I thought the original point was that Francona, even if he isn't great, should be better than Grady Little was. And, while no manager is worth 10 wins, if Francona has just a neutral effect, and Little cost them 2 games, in a close race, that's crucial. And, of course, maybe he makes better decisions re. pitchers in a close playoff game. I don;t think it was a Francona v. Torre argument.Originally posted by bakntime
Hey, I'm one of the ones who still doesn't want Torre. I still don't understand your point - Just because a manager comes highly hyped or not, doesn't have any bearing on how he'll do or how the team will do. You're trying to suggest that because Torre was a questionable choice and then went on to win 4 WS titles that it's a good thing that some people think that Francona is a questionable decision.
Either way, this season isn't going to come down to managers, it's going to come down to healthy players, and players performing at their expected levels.
Nope, neither jacked or pissed, I took a wait and see attitude... and it was worth the wait...Originally posted by NDBoston
Right.....
I'm sure you were the one Yankee fan who was pumped and jacked when Torre was hire.
Palmer killed Billy Mays
My point was NOBODY knows how a new manager will do with a team. ie. McKeon, Torre, Belichick.Originally posted by bakntime
Hey, I'm one of the ones who still doesn't want Torre. I still don't understand your point - Just because a manager comes highly hyped or not, doesn't have any bearing on how he'll do or how the team will do. You're trying to suggest that because Torre was a questionable choice and then went on to win 4 WS titles that it's a good thing that some people think that Francona is a questionable decision.
Either way, this season isn't going to come down to managers, it's going to come down to healthy players, and players performing at their expected levels.
I find it funny that someone "KNOWS" Francona will be a failure. I know it's the bias of the board, but in reality it's just wishful thinking.
I've seen his work in Philly, you guys are going to have a field day bashing him...Originally posted by NDBoston
My point was NOBODY knows how a new manager will do with a team. ie. McKeon, Torre, Belichick.
I find it funny that someone "KNOWS" Francona will be a failure. I know it's the bias of the board, but in reality it's just wishful thinking.
Palmer killed Billy Mays
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=nyy ... Sox payroll is 119.6 and the Yankees is 156.9 .. This includes 3.7 to Boone, of which they will only owe .9mil.... Even if they decide to trade for someone for 3B and take on all of the contract of the player(s) given up and the player(s) obtained, they will not reach 200million. Right now, your 200million assertion is off by 43million (not counting the money that might be recieved by voiding Boones contract). Im tired of people (media) blindly saying the payroll is 200million. Its just addition.Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
WRONG!
The Sox payroll will be 130M, up to maybe 140M if they beef up the bench. The Yankees payroll is near 200M, before they fill the hole @ 3B. That is 40-50% higher. To say that the Sox payroll is similar or close to the yankees is ludicrous.
i'm talking luxury tax numbers ... this list isn't correct.Originally posted by nyybleachercreature
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=nyy ... Sox payroll is 119.6 and the Yankees is 156.9 .. This includes 3.7 to Boone, of which they will only owe .9mil.... Even if they decide to trade for someone for 3B and take on all of the contract of the player(s) given up and the player(s) obtained, they will not reach 200million. Right now, your 200million assertion is off by 43million (not counting the money that might be recieved by voiding Boones contract). Im tired of people (media) blindly saying the payroll is 200million. Its just addition.
Big hat, no cattle.
Post a player by player payroll that adds up to 200millionOriginally posted by hugelongtermdeal
i'm talking luxury tax numbers ... this list isn't correct.
The list is correct for what the Yankees are actually paying out in 2004.Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
i'm talking luxury tax numbers ... this list isn't correct.
The lux tax numbers are calculated using salary averages rather than what a player will actually get paid, to avoid a situation where teams will backload contracts to avoid the lux tax.
Originally posted by bakntime
The list is correct for what the Yankees are actually paying out in 2004.
The lux tax numbers are calculated using salary averages rather than what a player will actually get paid, to avoid a situation where teams will backload contracts to avoid the lux tax.
correct ... my original point was that using this calculation, 40 man roster, benefits, etc... the Sox will be around 130M and the Yanks around 200M.
Big hat, no cattle.
I see what you mean. However, that number is still off - because like I mentioned, that 200 million luxury tax calcualtion uses average salaries. The best example I can come up with is Jeter who's contract averages around 19 million a year, while the Yankees will pay him only 15.6 this year (plus signing bonus, I think). Anyway, the point is that the Yankees proabably won't be actually paying out 200 million, even with the 40 man roster, benefits, etc.Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
correct ... my original point was that using this calculation, 40 man roster, benefits, etc... the Sox will be around 130M and the Yanks around 200M.
But yeah, I don't think it's a big secret that the Yankees have the biggest payroll by quite a bit - and it shouldn't be a secret either that the Yankees stand to pay something in the neighborhood of 50-60 million, (maybe more) if I recall, in revenue sharing and luxury tax in 2004.
I also think Boswell picks the Redskins to win the Superbowl every year. I wouldn't worry too much about what he thinks.
this should settle it ..
http://dugoutdollars.blogspot.com/
Yes, I'm off with my 200M figure ... but, the Yanks are still in a leauge of their own. Don't the Sox have to get within 30M of the yanks before we start putting them in the same converstation?
Big hat, no cattle.
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