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If this doesn't reek of a setup, I don't know what does. Bud and Boston hate The Boss. Bud gets another Yankee-hater, Colangelo, to ship a great player to Boston is exchange for a box of balls. Colangelo is then repaid by Bud's daughter (wink wink) by sending Sexson to Arizona in the ruse of a salary dump that isn't even one.
Fossum wasn't dealt. I don't think any of the Red Sox sent to Arizona were.
that's correct. None of the Red Sox players were.Originally posted by deranged2005
Fossum wasn't dealt. I don't think any of the Red Sox sent to Arizona were.
Hey Davey, The Red Sox one year ago wouldn't add Fossum in a deal to get Colon, they thought so much of him.
I've seen De LA Rosa pitch. He could be a very good pitcher.
The Red Sox had young cheap talent. The Yankees didn't
Since we are talking about conspiracy theories, did Oswald act alone? I thought you might know.
The sad fact is that there could be absolutely nothing going on, but this is one of the things that happens when the commissioner of baseball has a vested interest in a team - the possibility for the appearance of conspiracies.
It's a fact that the last MLBPBA was about reigning in the Yankees, so people get suspicious about other things. However, I see Schilling as making the Red Sox better than they were, but no guarantee that they'll take the division from the Yankees. There are simply too many variables with the Yankees still to make their moves. But at least now the Red Sox have 2 aces. Sort of the Yankees did with Roger here. The thing is, like Roger, Schilling is old and there's no telling. Martinez is Martinez and he will either dominate (the rest of the league, anyway :-) ) or he will be sitting on the DL for half the season.
Same could be said for the Yankees. I have no doubt that Pettitte will be a Yankee unless home calls to him. But one injury to the staff could have them reeling too.
"He knew, as he went after that ball, that he had a decision to make," said Tony Clark, who watched the play unfold from first base. "Either you let the ball drop and try to minimize the damage, or you make the catch and pay the consequences. He knew that, no doubt about it, and he chose B."
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The Red Sox/AZ deal was about service time and money. Nothing more.
We now take you back to our regularly scheduled programming from the grassy knoll.
I don't think there was a conspiracy. But I am willing to at least consider that the personal animosity between Steinbrenner and Colangelo had some bearing on why so much more was asked from the Yankees in a trade. Personal hatred goes a long way, and boy, George has made enemies with his "style".
"He knew, as he went after that ball, that he had a decision to make," said Tony Clark, who watched the play unfold from first base. "Either you let the ball drop and try to minimize the damage, or you make the catch and pay the consequences. He knew that, no doubt about it, and he chose B."
Arizona also asked for A LOT more than good cheap talent from the Yankees.Originally posted by NDBoston
The Red Sox had young cheap talent. The Yankees didn't
Yeah ND, I already mentioned in another thread that Fossum was untouchable last year and this year they know he stinks. If you and I walk into a store and I pay $30 for something you pay $5, you'd obviously think we got an even deal.
The Sexson move was made WORSE because none of the Boston players were sent. It was a flat out "thanks" from Bud to Jerry.
Back...and to the left
'When playing defense you need to think defensively'
actually it looks like DeLa Rosa is a part of the deal nowOriginally posted by YankyDave
Yeah ND, I already mentioned in another thread that Fossum was untouchable last year and this year they know he stinks. If you and I walk into a store and I pay $30 for something you pay $5, you'd obviously think we got an even deal.
The Sexson move was made WORSE because none of the Boston players were sent. It was a flat out "thanks" from Bud to Jerry.
Considering that Sexson was rumored to be going to Arizona since the season ended, I don't see how it proves anything.Originally posted by YankyDave
Yeah ND, I already mentioned in another thread that Fossum was untouchable last year and this year they know he stinks. If you and I walk into a store and I pay $30 for something you pay $5, you'd obviously think we got an even deal.
The Sexson move was made WORSE because none of the Boston players were sent. It was a flat out "thanks" from Bud to Jerry.
{stock conspiracy theorist response}
It proved everything! Bud said to Arizona that the only way to get Sexson would be to give the Sox Schilling!!! After all, we all know that Selig is a Sox fan from owning the Brewers for 33 years. Thats why he hates the Yankees!
"Owning the Yankees is like owning the Mona Lisa."
-George Steinbrenner
Sincerely,Originally posted by biggiantpencil
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Curt Schilling's fellation
Get off this board assw*pe. How would you like if all of us starting pounding on your board and started sh*t? Oh and remember the Red Sox have not won a World Series Championship in a very very very long time. I'm afraid that will continue. Your team is cursed and if the ALCS did not prove that I don't know what will?Originally posted by NDBoston
that's correct. None of the Red Sox players were.
Hey Davey, The Red Sox one year ago wouldn't add Fossum in a deal to get Colon, they thought so much of him.
I've seen De LA Rosa pitch. He could be a very good pitcher.
The Red Sox had young cheap talent. The Yankees didn't
Since we are talking about conspiracy theories, did Oswald act alone? I thought you might know.
I think thats pretty uncalled for...I haven't seen NDBoston do anything but provide a different viewpoint, that of a Red Sox fan.
If you want to go and troll people, there are plenty of Red Sox boards out there for you to do that to, but NDBoston seems like one of the good ones. Different viewpoints are fine.
"Owning the Yankees is like owning the Mona Lisa."
-George Steinbrenner
Practically a saint.Originally posted by NicktheStick36
I think thats pretty uncalled for...I haven't seen NDBoston do anything but provide a different viewpoint, that of a Red Sox fan.
If you want to go and troll people, there are plenty of Red Sox boards out there for you to do that to, but NDBoston seems like one of the good ones. .
Are you really so desperate to present the Yankees as underdogs or do you have absolutely no idea what you're talking out?
I don't know if hes a saint, but I know he doesn't seem to be worth being bashed like that. Community standards don't end with what team you root for.Originally posted by ACPS
Practically a saint.
"Owning the Yankees is like owning the Mona Lisa."
-George Steinbrenner
I come in here and talk baseball with some knowledgable people. who happen to root for the Yankees. Most don't seem to have any issues with me. (except for the whole Red Sox thing)Originally posted by AJW
Get off this board assw*pe. How would you like if all of us starting pounding on your board and started sh*t? Oh and remember the Red Sox have not won a World Series Championship in a very very very long time. I'm afraid that will continue. Your team is cursed and if the ALCS did not prove that I don't know what will?
You believe in curses. That's what you bring to the table
Back to the topic.....
Brewers deny this report.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brew/nov03/188719.aspIt's no secret that Arizona is after Sexson, prompting some folks to jump the gun on a trade. A radio report out of Boston on Monday said the Brewers were sending Sexson to Arizona as part of a three-way deal involving Schilling, which was untrue.
Another erroneous radio report Saturday out of Chicago said a deal was done sending Sexson to Arizona for third baseman Craig Counsell, second baseman Junior Spivey, first baseman Lyle Overbay and left-hander Craig Capuano.
Counsell grew up in Milwaukee, so getting him would be a good PR move for the Brewers, but they don't need a third baseman, particularly one making $3.15 million next season. They don't need help at second base, either.
"We have no deal with any team," Melvin said through team spokesman Jon Greenberg Saturday evening. "I'll be back at work on Monday, working the telephones."
Arizona gets 1B Sexson in nine-player trade with Milwaukee
December 1, 2003
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MILWAUKEE (Ticker) - Three days after dealing high-priced righthander Curt Schilling to Boston, the Arizona Diamondbacks acquired power-hitting first baseman Richie Sexson in a nine-player trade with the Milwaukee Brewers.
The Diamondbacks also acquired lefthander Shane Nance and a minor league player to be named for second baseman Junior Spivey, first baseman Lyle Overbay, versatile infielder Craig Counsell, lefthander Chris Capuano and righthander Jorge de la Rosa, who was acquired in the Schilling deal.
Sexson matched a career high with 45 home runs last season, two behind National League leader Jim Thome.
The 6-8 slugger played every game for the Brewers in 2003, hitting .272 and driving in 124 runs, one shy of his career best.
"I'm very excited," Diamondbacks manager Bob Brenly said. "For the time I've been in Arizona it seems the one thing we've always been searching for is a right-handed power hitter. Richie Sexson is one of a handful of legitimate power hitters in the league," added Brenly. "This guy can hit the ball out of any field in any park."
Drafted by Cleveland in 1993, the 28-year-old Sexson owns a .273 career average with 191 homers and 593 RBI in 813 games.
The Brewers were ordered by the team's board of directors to trim the payroll this offseason and Sexson is entering the final year of his contract and is slated to make $8.6 million in 2004.
Spivey, 28, was one of several Diamondbacks to miss time due to injury last season. Sidelined for 31 games with a sprained ankle, he batted .255 with 13 homers and 50 RBI in 106 games.
The 2003 campaign was a disappointment compared to Spivey's breakout season the year before, when he hit .301 with 15 homers and 78 RBI and made the National League All-Star team.
Milwaukee hopes the 33-year-old Counsell brings his World Series magic to Miller Park. After scoring the series-winning run for Florida in 1997, Counsell was hit by a pitch to load the bases in the ninth inning of Game Seven in 2001, setting up Gonzalez's championship-winning single.
Counsell, who has played all four infield positions during his career, missed 53 games in 2003 after undergoing right thumb surgery. He batted .234 with three homers and 21 RBI in 89 games.
In 658 contests with Colorado, Florida, Los Angeles and Arizona, Counsell has a .266 career average with 16 homers and 188 RBI.
Given a chance to wrestle the first base job away from Mark Grace, Overbay was unable to produce and was sent to Class AAA Tucson in July. The 26-year-old was recalled in September and finished the season with a .276 average, four homers and 28 RBI in 86 games.
Capuano, 25, made his major league debut in 2003, going 2-4 with a 4.64 ERA in nine games, including five starts. The lefthander, who was an eighth-round selection in the 1999 draft, rebounded from "Tommy John" surgery, which he underwent in May 2002.
Updated on Monday, Dec 1, 2003 2:34 pm EST
Sexson traded to Arizona
By BOB BAUM, AP Sports Writer
December 1, 2003
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns
PHOENIX (AP) -- The Arizona Diamondbacks acquired slugger Richie Sexson from Milwaukee on Monday in a nine-player deal that sends infielder Craig Counsell, second baseman Junior Spivey and others to the Brewers.
First baseman Lyle Overbay, catcher Chad Moeller and left-handers Jorge De La Rosa and Chris Capuano also were dealt to Milwaukee.
In addition to Sexson, Arizona received left-hander Shane Nance and a player to be named.
The deal was finalized after Curt Schilling passed his physical with the Boston Red Sox.
De La Rosa was one of four players sent to Arizona for Schilling, and could not be traded until the Schilling deal was finalized.
The Diamondbacks long had been coveting the 6-foot, 7-inch Milwaukee first baseman as the right-handed power hitter the lineup lacked. With Shea Hillenbrand at third base, Arizona has a pair of solid right-handed bats in what has been, in recent years, a left-handed dominated lineup.
Sexson, 28, earns $8.6 million next year, the final season of his contract. He was the Brewers' most popular player, but with the franchise looking to cut its already meager payroll to about $30 million next season, his salary was too high.
Sexson has a .273 average with 191 home runs in six major league seasons with Cleveland and Milwaukee, and he had 45 homers and 124 RBIs last season.
The Diamondbacks had no player with more than 26 home runs last season.
Arizona's weak offense was a major reason for the team's decline last season. Despite the loss of Schilling, the Diamondbacks think they can build a good rotation with Randy Johnson and young Brandon Webb at the top.
Counsell, a scrappy utility player and the MVP in the 2001 NL Championship Series, has been plagued by injuries the past two seasons. He is from the Milwaukee area and still lives there in the offseason. He will earn $3.15 million next season.
Overbay, a left-handed hitter, was given the first-base job by the Diamondbacks as a rookie at the start of last season after a rapid rise through the minor league system. But he struggled and was sent back to Triple-A Tucson to work on his swing.
De La Rosa, whose fastball reaches 94 mph, was 6-3 with a 2.80 for Double-A Portland and 1-2 with a 3.75 ERA for Triple-A Pawtucket last season.
The Diamondbacks have financial constraints, too. Managing general partner Jerry Colangelo wants to cut the payroll from about $94 million last season to $80 million. That meant Schilling needed to go before other deals fell into place.
The team also is believed to be shopping closer Matt Mantei.
Updated on Monday, Dec 1, 2003 2:07 pm EST
The Richie Sexson deal finally got finished. Richie Sexson, pithcer Shane Nance, and a player to be named later go to the D-Backs, and in return the Brewers get Craig Counsell, Lyle Overbay, Junior Spivey, Chad Moeller, and minor league pitchers Jorge de la Rosa and Chris Capuano. I don't know if this was that good of a trade for Arizona. They get three players and the Brewers get six. They needed power on this team but was Richie Sexson really worth giving up six players for including four players that could start for you.
Yes, because Moeller is really the only player they'll potentially miss. Spivey was on the block due to Matt Kata's emergence. Counsell was a $3 million bench player with the Diamondbacks. They can find a cheaper alternative to fill that role. Overbay will become a productive first baseman. However, he's no Richie Sexson...Originally posted by baseballboy4life
They needed power on this team but was Richie Sexson really worth giving up six players for including four players that could start for you.
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