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    Slimmer Mo Vaughn hints at retirement

    If anything, it would be a consolation prize to Steve Phillips after Lupica totally trashed him in today's issue!!! Maybe Piazza can now move over to 1B where he can throw the ball into LF instead of CF, as usual.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/01/sp.../01vaughn.html
    Slimmer Vaughn Is Frustrated, and Hints at Retirement

    By RAFAEL HERMOSO

    ST. LOUIS, April 30 - Mo Vaughn took two pitches from the Cardinals' Matt Morris for strikes in the first inning on Tuesday night and later waved over a curveball, beginning what must have seemed like an endless walk back to the dugout. Vaughn felt nauseous during that at-bat, the result, he said, of taking supplements on an empty stomach before the game, and he became sick in the dugout runway. He was removed from the game.

    The Mets went on to lose by 13-3 after another embarrassing chapter in what was to be Vaughn's comeback season. Tonight, they were trounced by 13-4, with Vaughn hitting a home run into the upper deck in right field in the ninth inning, when it didn't matter.

    Vaughn spent much of the off-season pulling sleds and changing his diet. He arrived in spring training showing off a leaner, tighter waist.

    But Vaughn's production has been so feeble this season that before tonight's game he indicated that he would rather retire than continue playing this way.

    As Vaughn expressed frustration in his play, he was asked if he had contemplated the thought that the end of his 12-year career may be near.

    "Oh, yeah," Vaughn said. "You don't evaluate until it's time. I'm not going to sit here and do that now. But I'll tell you what, I'm not the kind of person that's going to go out there and continue to play this way. I have too much pride in myself."

    Vaughn repeated that he would re-examine his career at the end of the season. When asked directly if he was considering retirement, he said: "That's not on my mind right now. I just want to put a solid month together, a solid year. You know how things can change."

    Vaughn was careful to say he would have lengthy discussions with several key people before deciding whether to retire. His parents are two of his closest confidants, and Vaughn said he has not discussed that option with them.

    The Mets' owner, Fred Wilpon, ordered Vaughn to lose weight at the end of last season, citing a conditioning clause in players' contracts, and Vaughn complied. Vaughn said that neither Wilpon nor General Manager Steve Phillips have asked him for help in escaping from his contract, such as an arrangement for deferred money.

    "That's for me to do," Vaughn said. "Not to take the initiative, but it's my choice and my choice alone."

    The Mets have not discussed releasing Vaughn, Phillips said today, and such a decision would come from ownership. The Mets owe Vaughn $29,377,049 through the end of next season, and releasing him anytime in the next year would be groundbreaking. The Tigers set a record by releasing Damion Easley this spring while still owing him $14.3 million.

    Wilpon has told Manager Art Howe not to make his lineup based on what players earn. Howe has kept Vaughn at first base over Tony Clark, whose four home runs lead the Mets.

    "The fact is we have to get him going and he's not going to do it sitting on the bench every day," Howe said Tuesday. "His offense is what we're looking for. His defense, he has limitations, but we knew that going in."

    The Mets are a frustrated team, having lost four straight games, their pitching rocked in St. Louis, their defense shoddy and their hitting anemic. They have an 11-16 record, and catcher Mike Piazza was out of the lineup tonight with a bone bruise in his left knee.

    Vaughn is supposed to protect Piazza in the lineup. But both players have struggled. Vaughn, 1 for 4 tonight and in a 5-for-32 slump, is batting .205 with 3 home runs and 15 runs batted in, which leads the team. But only 5 of his 15 hits in 73 at-bats have been for extra bases, and he has struck out 20 times.

    If possible, he has been worse defensively, making 5 errors, second on the team to Piazza's 6, although the two play positions not know for generating high error totals. Tonight he couldn't catch up to a foul pop in the second inning.

    "It's frustrating after putting in all that time; to not get results at this course is tough on me," Vaughn said as he sat by his locker this afternoon. "I'm a realist. I don't beat around the bushes. It's tough. You got to keep plugging, keep working, whatever. My timing is not coming out the way I want it to come out."

    Vaughn is 35 and has played most of his career carrying a heavy body frame. He reported to spring training weighing about 265 pounds.

    He said he should not be losing his skills at his age, and many of his errors are not from physical mistakes. He said soreness in his left knee, the result of a change to his batting stance that put more weight on his back leg, has limited his range. But he said the bulk of his errors were inexcusable: a bunt thrown away, another errant throw and, on Sunday, a dropped throw.

    "I don't know what it is," Vaughn said. "Right now, to me, it's one month into the season. You can't evaluate a whole season. You can turn around and be tremendous the rest of the way. I don't want to say the season's lost. I'm going to try, and at the end of the season I'll be able to give you a better evaluation of everything that has happened."

    The Mets acquired Vaughn in a trade from the Anaheim Angels for pitcher Kevin Appier before last season after Vaughn missed all of 2001 with a biceps injury. Vaughn hit .259 with 26 home runs and 72 R.B.I. and Mets officials, who visited him during the off-season to monitor his conditioning, expected him to build off the .271 average, 16 home runs and 38 R.B.I. he had in the second half. Vaughn also expected more.

    "It just didn't work out," Vaughn said, before adding, "up to this point."
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    I swear, I don't know what any of these people are talking about...Slimmer? by what, 4 pounds? He really doesn't look any slimmer to me..he still can't bend over to pick up a ball..you'd think he'd have some pride as an athlete...that before taking a 17 million dollar paycheck, he'd make a real attempt at doing his job. I just don't get it really.

    And Piazza won't move to first, even though he can only play every other day because "catching is hard on the body". He has fewer than 20 home runs to go to catch Carlton Fisk and if you or anyone associated witht he Mets thinks that that selfish, self absorbed priss is going to do anything selfless for the betterment of his team, I've got a bridge to sell you.

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    As my sister states; Slimmer?? Mo only downs 695 White Castles instead of 700. The guy can't bend over to field.

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    Danmel, Wexy, I'd seen some piece a few weeks ago in either Sporting News or SI (mag, not online) where he'd hired some trainer that had him pulling sleds, jogging and all kinds of stuff. I don't know how that's all panned out, as I haven't seen him recently.

    The sad thing is that you'd think that at 270-300 lbs, you'd think he'd be 6-4 or 6-5, but he's only 6-1, which isn't very tall to be carrying that kind of weight. Last season, he looked like a water buffalo that all the gators in the pond were rushing over to make a hearty meal out of!!!
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    Originally posted by Danmel
    I swear, I don't know what any of these people are talking about...Slimmer? by what, 4 pounds? He really doesn't look any slimmer to me..he still can't bend over to pick up a ball..you'd think he'd have some pride as an athlete...that before taking a 17 million dollar paycheck, he'd make a real attempt at doing his job. I just don't get it really.

    And Piazza won't move to first, even though he can only play every other day because "catching is hard on the body". He has fewer than 20 home runs to go to catch Carlton Fisk and if you or anyone associated witht he Mets thinks that that selfish, self absorbed priss is going to do anything selfless for the betterment of his team, I've got a bridge to sell you.
    What Mo is doing would be considered robbery in all states. I know that if a normal person with a not so well-paying job were to steal a lot of money, they'd be kicked to the curb. I don't think it's fair.

    Don't start me on Pizza Dough Boy. He is a self-absorbed asshole. Doesn't he still have 4 RBI? That's really sad. Shows where his head REALLY is.

    Do their fans really believe those 3 homers and 4 RBI are for the better of the team? Yeah right. More just to inflate his stats as one of the all time catchers. Quite frankly, I don't think anyone gives a damn.

    The Mets would be better off dumping him but no one would want to take that salary.

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    Originally posted by yeahimweird
    Don't start me on Pizza Dough Boy. He is a self-absorbed asshole. Doesn't he still have 4 RBI? That's really sad. Shows where his head REALLY is.
    Come on...Alf can't do those commercials all by himself!

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    Don't start me on Pizza Dough Boy. He is a self-absorbed asshole. Doesn't he still have 4 RBI? That's really sad. Shows where his head REALLY is.
    At least he's not gay.
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    Mets could save $32M if Vaughn retires or can't play

    If Mo's done, Mets cash in

    By SAM BORDEN
    DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

    Though a few doctors' opinions are still needed, it appears that a solution for the Mets' $32 million problem - an injured Mo Vaughn - may be in sight.

    The Mets' team doctors initially recommended painkillers and rehab for Vaughn's arthritic left knee, but Vaughn said yesterday he is definitely going to have surgery, even if it means his baseball career is over.

    According to the club's insurance policy on Vaughn's contract, if the first baseman is unable to play for more than 90 consecutive days, the Mets can recoup 75% of his mammoth salary.

    That would help them shop the free agent market next offseason.

    "I'm 35 years old and I've got the rest of my life in front of me. I can't just let this be," Vaughn told the Daily News yesterday, rubbing the knee as he spoke. "I've got to get this fixed. If (my career) ends tomorrow, I'll deal with it. I'm not scared. I'm not going to play just because it's the easiest solution."

    Vaughn knows it may help the Mets for him to sit out. His injury was hurting his hitting (.190 average) and making him nearly immobile in the field (five errors). If Vaughn sits, Tony Clark could get into the rhythm of playing every day - and perhaps Mike Piazza could start taking some ground balls at first.

    Vaughn even suggested that might be a good idea for Piazza, a 34-year-old catcher with battered knees.

    "His body is beat up, too," Vaughn said. "It's up to the organization, of course, but he's still got a lot of good swings left in him. They should do whatever they can to keep him healthy."

    Key to the situation is Vaughn acknowledging that he needs to be shut down for a prolonged period. If he comes back before 90 days and plays sporadically, the Mets are stuck with a hurting first baseman and a lot of wasted money.

    Vaughn said he plans to send copies of his MRI and X-ray films to several doctors, including Dr.Louis Yocum, the team physician for Vaughn's former team, the Angels. He also will seek opinions from Boston-based doctors Bill Morgan and Arthur Pappas.

    GM Steve Phillips said the Mets have no problem with Vaughn seeking an opinion other than team doctor Andrew Rokito's, and that the Mets would need more information before deciding how long Vaughn might be sidelined.

    But Vaughn acknowledged that any invasive surgical procedure could cost him significant time - perhaps even the rest of this season. With multiple bone spurs and hardly any cartilage in the knee, there is a small possibility that arthroscopic surgery could solve the problem. That could mean Vaughn would need repetitive injections of lubricant in the knee, a mostly experimental treatment, said Phillips.

    More likely, Vaughn said, is a procedure that would give him some cushion in the knee so that his bones do not rub together when he moves his 275-pound frame.

    "If this is it, this is it," Vaughn said. "I'm going to take one shot at trying to fix this. I can't go on playing like this. We're not playing Milwaukee every night. We need wins. We need to make this situation better."

    Originally published on May 8, 2003
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