Safe! He got in under the tag!
Out! Yogi nailed him at the plate!
When Jackie Robinson stole home against the Yankees in the 1955 World Series, it was a very close play. And Lord knows Yogi Berra thought he was out!
Now, you make the call. Was Jackie Robinson safe or out when he stole home against the New York Yankees in the 1955 World Series?
Out. I'm with Yogi on this one.
Yogi got it right, Jackie was clearly out.
My Dad was at the game......... To his dying day.......Robinson was OUT!
We all know that even with today's technology you often have to see a replay several times from a variety of angles to make a real determination of a close call.
The film of that play is old, only one angle and still it is clear to me that Yogi blocked the plate and put the tag down on jackie's leg several inches in front of the plate.
If there is anybody that thinks Jackie Robinson was safe on that play I'd like to hear it.
I asked Yogi this question last year and to this day he still INSISITS he was OUT !!! Oh and if you ask Whitey he will break into a very animated replay !!
The umpire was in no position to make the call...
OUT !!!!!!!!!!
You're absolutely right. The umpire froze. Instead of taking a step to his left so that he could see the play, he stayed behind the plate, where he was blocked by Yogi.Originally posted by Gehrig
The umpire was in no position to make the call...
Watching it on regular TV, it looks close, but it still looks like he's out. But when you look at some of the still-frame pictures like the ones on this board, it's even more obvious that Robinson was out.
Yogi put the tag right in front of the plate and Robinson slid right into the tag. The glove was right in front of the plate -- Robinson had to hit the glove in order to get to the plate. He was out.
He looks out in that picture. But it did not matter, because the Yankees won the game in question. They lost Game 7 because they had Yogi running on contact on a ball that was later caught.
Actually Yogi hit the ball that was caught by Amoros (Who had come in when Zimmer was taken out during a defensive switch). Billy Martin, who had led off with a walk, and Gil McDougald, who followed Martin with a bunt single were off at the crack of the bat. McDougald was double up at first by a relay from Amoros to Reese to Hodges...Originally posted by Nettles
. They lost Game 7 because they had Yogi running on contact on a ball that was later caught.
Want me to ask Yogi tonight? I'm seeing him
He was so clearly out it scares me how someone could possibly think otherwise!!!
-#1YankeeLover
Yogi said it himself. "OUT!"
I just met him and got his autograph
I bet he got fired up too !!Originally posted by deranged2005
Yogi said it himself. "OUT!"
I just met him and got his autograph
and I believe years later he admitted that he was out to Yogi!
eh, the question was asked, he siad "out" with some force behind it, and we just stood up and clappedOriginally posted by Gehrig
I bet he got fired up too !!
He was definately out. I think the ump couldn't see over the big chest protector.
Out.
Yogi got him...Out
Who voted safe?
At least say something and argue your point.
I hate it when people vote on a poll and then don't back it up because most other people don't agree.
I was just thinking the same thing. As I was reading through the answers & looking for the 2 people who voted safe - no reply though. Clearly he was OUT!!!Originally posted by DiMaggio5CF
Who voted safe?
At least say something and argue your point.
I hate it when people vote on a poll and then don't back it up because most other people don't agree.
OUT!!!
The people who voted safe are usually the people who just like to mess with everyone.
Obviously, Jackie was out.
i said safe because that's what the umpire said.. i wasn't there.. i didn't see it.. plus, i feel like getting chris riled up..
Originally posted by KLJ
i said safe because that's what the umpire said.. i wasn't there.. i didn't see it.. plus, i feel like getting chris riled up..
In every replay I've ever seen of this, I think he was out. But frankly, who can blame the umpire for getting it wrong? It was sooo close and we're talking about Jackie Robinson, in a close call like that, the ump is going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I saw this play live (on television) and my opinion has not changed over the last 44 years. Bill Summers, the plate umpire, got it wrong because all he could see was Yogi's back. Robinson was clearly out.
You do not know anyone who hates the Yankees more than I hate them. So if I say Jackie was out, he was out. But why take my word for it. Frank Kellert, the Dodger who was at bat and had a clear view of the play and he said Jackie was out. This is not fan talk on my part because I was in the 8th grade, $1 an hour was minimum wage, and I had $20 on the Dodgers to win the Series. In 2009 dollars, that's at least $150.
Berra was guilty of Catcher's Interference, but Summers did not call it. He was out of position for everything except calling balls and strikes. And had Robinson stayed at 3rd, he would have scored on Kellert's single.
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Probably could have used instant replay back then.Originally Posted by Dick_Adams
If I had 3 wishes... One of my wishes would be to make a select few of you Pirates Fans.
What is this "instant replay" you speak of, Kimosabe?
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Awesome pic, amico mio!
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Are you aware that he posted that awesome pic nearly 8 years ago?
If I had 3 wishes... One of my wishes would be to make a select few of you Pirates Fans.
On MLB channel recently, Bob Costas did a show with Don Denkinger, Steve Palermo and Bruce Froemming (sp?). Obviously, the show was about umpiring. They talked about in game altercations and the difficulties facing ump etc. During the show they talked about this play and actually had another camera angle they claimed had never been seen before. I definitely had never seen it before. Everyone on the show concurred as did I. Robinson was safe.
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I can say with unwavering certainty that Robinson was safe. A runner is neither out nor safe until the umpire calls him out or safe, and the umpire called him safe. No out was recorded in the score book. No out was scored on the field. A run was scored, indicating nothing other than safe. He was safe.
Did Yogi tag him before he touched home? ... hell yes.
clear, concise, correct
What kind of an 8th grader has $150 on a baseball game?
I met Yogi last year and he insisted Jackie was out.
Many Brooklyn Dodgers fans will automatically reply "He was safe" if you just ask "Was he safe or was he out?"
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Exactly. As the old line goes, "It ain't nothin' till I call it."
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.- Barry Manilow
That wasn't the question posed by the original poster back on 2/12/02. He said you be the ump, you make the call.
If I had 3 wishes... One of my wishes would be to make a select few of you Pirates Fans.
Fair enough. If I'm positioned like that umpire was, I guess, just like he did and probably call him safe. If I make some effort to get a better look, I call him out.
clear, concise, correct
he stole home from 1st base? weird
Please understand what I am saying. I have been a Yankee fan since 1946. I love Yogi and I respect him immensely and I am sure in his viewpoint that Jackie was out. But I love the game of baseball and I am most annoyed that today's game takes about 4 hours to complete when I remember Whitey Ford pitching many games that went no more than two hours.
What I am saying is that we all know that the umpires are imperfect and that instant replay might catch many erronious calls, but I really want to go back to the old 2 hr games and I am against instant replay.
The play was called with the best technology we had at the time, the umpire's call is the way it should stand, even if the instant replay might show it otherwise, and I will not second guess him, even if today's technology proves him wrong.
Andy
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Yogi is a National Treasure. Let's put him in a National Hall of Fame. The man has no peers.
Based on that angle from MLB Network (assuming it isn't some kind of doctored technology), Robinson looked safe. If that angle is for real, Yogi did not have the plate blocked, and Jackie got his foot in there. I have to side with Rizzuto on this one.
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28, here we come!
For years I thought Robinson was clearly out, but there is film from a different angle (the third base side, not the first base side which is what is usually shown) which I recently saw. The was a sliver of plate in front of Yogi and Jackie got his toe in. Doesn't make a dime's worth of difference. As said, the Dodgers lost that game and the Yanks had a real chance to win the series (up 2-0).
Mays played baseball. Mantle was baseball.
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.
And you would believe Bob Costas. Most of the stuff he says was written for him by uninformed writers.
WHERE can I see this video?
It was driving me crazy that I couldn't remember where I saw the angle that convinced me that Robinson was safe. I finally saw it again. The 2000 World Series video begins with a recap of Subway Series of the past. When they get to 1955 they show Robinson stealing home and it includes a camera angle from down the 3rd base line an angle you never see. I have slowed it down to almost frame by frame and I, at least, am convinced that there was a sliver of the plate in front of Yogi and Jackie got his toe in.
Believe me, I am the last person in the world who wants to disagree with Yogi, but Jackie was safe.
Mays played baseball. Mantle was baseball.
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.
Yeah, I voted safe because I saw this show.
Edit: Also, who was the batter? He didn't do a very good job of getting in Yogi's way.
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
It was pinch hitter Frank Kellert, batting for Don Bessent.
Mays played baseball. Mantle was baseball.
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.
He was safe you homers.
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