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    Re: Baseball vs. Football....Time to change the national pastime?

    Quote Originally Posted by thaa
    True, but not true enough.

    I would add that these social changes ("these days," "on demand," "short attention span") point to social deficiencies, aspects of cultural decline that ought not to be encouraged or imitated.

    I remember the NFL's rise to popularity in the late 1950s / early 1960s. Before that, "pro football" was for obsessives not burned out by Saturday's college games. The NFL represented in those days some element of celebratory violence--"red dogging," "blitzing," etc.--that spoke to something in a newly-forming segment of the American national temperament that has now become, over generational time, dominant.

    It got connected, too, with some sort of corporational ethos (businessmen who enjoyed thinking that they, too, "red dogged" their opponents?).

    Baseball, a more pastoral kind of game, more temporally relaxed, no longer was at the heart of America's spirit life. With each decade, things got worse for it. Television covered the whole football field better than it did the whole baseball field. Baseball had no one at its helm comparable to Pete Rozelle, who seemed to have sprung (fully armed) from that new social class that was promoting FB, and that was slightly more in love with (the sight of) violence and fast pace than earlier generations of Americans.

    To adapt--or attempt to adapt (who knows whether it's even possible?)--baseball to this new society is to risk vulgarizing it (cultural slumming). Hell, people bring their wretched cell phones even to baseball games, rather than taking the game's pastoral setting as the excuse pastoral has always offered to get away from the day-to-day world. (You can see them texting away or calling away if you have HD and watch the guys in expensive seats at Yankee games. It gives me nausea.)

    In any case, as other posters have noted, baseball is not doing badly at all. FB's is a compressed season that intensifies interest, whereas baseball's is an extended, day in-day-out season (rising in the Spring, dying in mid-autumn), that permits interest to wax and wane, even in serious fans.

    If I were baseball--given its reasonably sturdy financial basis (it ain't hockey!)--I would ride out the storm. Nothing is forever, Carmella once told Tony Soprano. Not even cultural styles, not even general cohorts. Or: this too may pass, and the culture may come back to the baseball that is in its very bones.
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    Re: Baseball vs. Football....Time to change the national pastime?

    Quote Originally Posted by delv
    yeah, that part is indeed a problem. I feel like I rarely find people my age with whom I can talk about baseball in depth. instead I end up talking with 40+ yr old guys like y'all. it's really sad.
    Imagine being a baseball fan in Hong Kong...... sigh.

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    Re: Baseball vs. Football....Time to change the national pastime?

    Quote Originally Posted by nyyfanatic85
    Another excellent post. Nicely done!!
    I second that. I've always felt that if the baseball season was only 18 games long and football 162, we'd see a big difference. Of course, the very physical nature of football makes it impossible to play 6 or 7 games every week from April to October.

    There is a trend now that the NFL is trying to address before it gets to the point of causing serious cash flow problems. More fans are now choosing to stay home and watch the game on TV because of all the advances in technology. There will always those who prefer the atmosphere of the stadium, but when you add up the cost of tickets, the hassle of parking, sitting in sub-freezing temperatures with snow and wind in seats so far from the action you need binoculars to see the numbers on players, fans are not as eager to head to the stadium. People are starting to realize they can tailgate in the comfort of their own backyards or living rooms, view the game on a high definition, flat screen TV and keep track of 10 other games at the same time.

    I love the line from Field of Dreams that states how America marched by on an army on steam rollers, has been erased, re-drawn and erased on a blackboard, but baseball is the one thing which remains constant.
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    Re: Baseball vs. Football....Time to change the national pastime?

    Quote Originally Posted by 35Knucklecurve
    ...you need binoculars to see the numbers on players, fans are not as eager to head to the stadium. People are starting to realize they can tailgate in the comfort of their own backyards or living rooms, view the game on a high definition, flat screen TV and keep track of 10 other games at the same time.
    That's going to be a big problem at the New Meadowlands. I've heard this phrase a lot, and you'll keep hearing it more; "One And Done". The Upper Deck seats are so awful. You can barely make out the players, no one is going to want to pay more than 50 bucks next year for those tickets (priced by Jets at 95-125). That won't look good for the league when the stadium is empty up there

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    Re: Baseball vs. Football....Time to change the national pastime?

    I don't go to football games because I can't stand sitting around, watching nothing happen for 2 1/2 hours, while they are airing all the commercials.

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    Re: Baseball vs. Football....Time to change the national pastime?

    Quote Originally Posted by roblyo33
    I don't go to football games because I can't stand sitting around, watching nothing happen for 2 1/2 hours, while they are airing all the commercials.
    Dont forget paying a silly amount of $$.

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    Re: Baseball vs. Football....Time to change the national pastime?

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    Imagine being a baseball fan in Hong Kong...... sigh.
    hmm.. sucks.

    When I was in Taiwan, I met tons of big Chinese baseball fans, including some Japanese people that were there too. great baseball culture there.
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