NY Yankees Top 20 Prospects (off-season 2010/2011)

[THEBOSS84]

I don't know how you could not be high on Nova. He's shown plus stuff as a SP.

You were saying the same thing about Aceves last year.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

You were saying the same thing about Aceves last year.

Yes, and Aceves still has plus stuff and has performed very well when healthy. What's your point?

[Bob420]

Yes, really. So he had a pretty good 2nd half in AA as a 24 year old. His WHIP was still pretty high.

That makes him a lock to be an everyday major league starter?

Really?

You might have missed that he's been VERY good in AA after having some adjustment starts. He still has another year of options- which puts him right where he needs to be- he'll be in AAA next year, with a call-up sometime between July and September.

The bigger question isn't whether he's going to be a SP in the bigs- it is whether the Yanks have a rotation spot for him.

[TheHugeUnit2]

I know this is Hughes2.50 thread and his list, but I thought I'd share my own list.

1. Jesus Montero C
2. Manny Banuelos LHP
3. Austin Romine C
4. Dellin Betances RHP
5. Andrew Brackman RHP
6. Gary Sanchez C
7. Slade Heathcott CF
8. Graham Stoneburner RHP
9. Corban Joseph 2B/3B
10. Brett Marshall RHP
11. David Phelps RHP
12. Adam Warren RHP
13. Ivan Nova RHP
14. Brandon Laird 3B
15. Hector Noesi RHP
16. Eduardo Nunez SS
17. Cito Culver SS
18. JR Murphy C
19. Bryan Mitchell RHP
20. David Adams 2B

[kan_t]

I know this is Hughes2.50 thread and his list, but I thought I'd share my own list.

1. Jesus Montero C
2. Manny Banuelos LHP
3. Austin Romine C
4. Dellin Betances RHP
5. Andrew Brackman RHP
6. Gary Sanchez C
7. Slade Heathcott CF
8. Graham Stoneburner RHP
9. Corban Joseph 2B/3B
10. Brett Marshall RHP
11. David Phelps RHP
12. Adam Warren RHP
13. Ivan Nova RHP
14. Brandon Laird 3B
15. Hector Noesi RHP
16. Eduardo Nunez SS
17. Cito Culver SS
18. JR Murphy C
19. Bryan Mitchell RHP
20. David Adams 2B

Solid list but I think Flores is a big miss there.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

I think Adam Warren should be higher.

[TheHugeUnit2]

Solid list but I think Flores is a big miss there.

I do like him and Feliz, I actually had them in the top 20 I think 18 and 20 but I bumped them off at the last second. Really like Mitchell and I added Nunez back in as well.

[Matsui55]

Yes, really. So he had a pretty good 2nd half in AA as a 24 year old. His WHIP was still pretty high.

That makes him a lock to be an everyday major league starter?

Hey, that tree you are so focused on- that's part of the forest you are missing.

[Matsui55]

Everybody down grades Ivan Nova and that he only has 4th or 5th starter stuff, but he's thrown harder than any current Yankee starter over the past month he's been up.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...n=2010&month=3

Just curious, but when does he start getting some recognition. Doesn't he project with his stuff and control to be a #1 or #2 on more than half the teams in baseball.

And to have him rated behind felix whoever?

He certainly should be in the discussion to be in the 2011 rotation- but FB isn't everything in the bigs. To be a #1 or #2 SP, you need command of 3 solid to above average pitches.

I agree that FB is nice, but the rest of his stuff doesn't come close to saying top-of-the-rotation SP.

[kan_t]

I do like him and Feliz, I actually had them in the top 20 I think 18 and 20 but I bumped them off at the last second. Really like Mitchell and I added Nunez back in as well.

I'm a crazy plate discipline fan so maybe I'm biased. I would place him over Nunez even though Nunez has already been in the major, or Hector Noesi who is projected to be a No.5 starter at best.

[TheHugeUnit2]

I'm a crazy plate discipline fan so maybe I'm biased. I would place him over Nunez even though Nunez has already been in the major, or Hector Noesi who is projected to be a No.5 starter at best.

I'm not a Nunez or Noesi fan those are the only two guys that I was swayed by other than my personal perference. Nunez is alright but I'm not a fan and same with Noesi but yeah they are close and they could make impacts.

[Bob420]

Hey, that tree you are so focused on- that's part of the forest you are missing.

I am not missing anything. What do you think the % is for Brackman to become and everyday major league starter? Higher than 65%? Maybe 75%?

Bottom line is that I find it laughable to say he has a 65% chance to become a semi regular All Star starter.

[DRobertsonNYY]

I think Adam Warren should be higher.

must pain you to say that

[Matsui55]

I am not missing anything. What do you think the % is for Brackman to become and everyday major league starter? Higher than 65%? Maybe 75%?

Bottom line is that I find it laughable to say he has a 65% chance to become a semi regular All Star starter.

Nice try.

Let's not forget, this was your original post:

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Brackman probably doesn't even have a 65% chance of making the big leagues as a starter. All Star?
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Now, you want to suddenly make it seem like you were arguing the odds of him being a regular All Star SP.

No, your claim was that he didn't have a "65% chance of MAKING the big leagues as a SP."

Let's not start in bad debate, where you attempt to change the argument you are defending.

[Bob420]

Nice try what? I am not changing anything. I don't think he has a 65% chance to make it as a big league starter. Nothing to do with All Star. I am sticking with that. I added in the fact that I thought it was laughable that the original rankings had him at 65% to be an all star.

[Hughes2.50]

Nice try what? I am not changing anything. I don't think he has a 65% chance to make it as a big league starter. Nothing to do with All Star. I am sticking with that. I added in the fact that I thought it was laughable that the original rankings had him at 65% to be an all star.

So you think Brackman only has less than a 65% chance to be a major league starter?

When one wants to talk at laughable, one needs to read that again.

[Jax Teller]

Well now you need to disect the argument. Will he make his ML debut as a starter? Will he be a regular ML starting pitcher? Will he have a cup of coffee in a rotation then go to the pen? Flame out all together?

There's definitely more to it.

[NYDCYankee]

Well now you need to disect the argument. Will he make his ML debut as a starter? Will he be a regular ML starting pitcher? Will he have a cup of coffee in a rotation then go to the pen? Flame out all together?

There's definitely more to it.

There is a big difference between all four of those categories.

[Jax Teller]

I know that. It's why I brought it up since the original argument of what % of him being a starter is vague at best. One could argue each category.

[primetime714]

I know this is Hughes2.50 thread and his list, but I thought I'd share my own list.

1. Jesus Montero C
2. Manny Banuelos LHP
3. Austin Romine C
4. Dellin Betances RHP
5. Andrew Brackman RHP
6. Gary Sanchez C
7. Slade Heathcott CF
8. Graham Stoneburner RHP
9. Corban Joseph 2B/3B
10. Brett Marshall RHP
11. David Phelps RHP
12. Adam Warren RHP
13. Ivan Nova RHP
14. Brandon Laird 3B
15. Hector Noesi RHP
16. Eduardo Nunez SS
17. Cito Culver SS
18. JR Murphy C
19. Bryan Mitchell RHP
20. David Adams 2B

Good list. I agree with most of it minus a little shuffling here and there. I'd probably have Jose Ramirez on my list too and but its hard to bump anyone. Its truly amazing how deep this system is.

[Saxmania]

So you think Brackman only has less than a 65% chance to be a major league starter?

When one wants to talk at laughable, one needs to read that again.

I think there's around a 20% chance that Brackman suffers a major injury, regresses to ineffectiveness (probably due to mechanical problems emerging), and/or is converted to relief. I would say that about almost any starting pitching prospect, to be honest, and Brackman more than many.

65% is probably too low, but I certainly don't see how it's "laughable".

Be seeing you,

Saxmania

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

must pain you to say that

The amount of times you miss sarcasm is stunning. However, in all fairness, it must be hard to concentrate with the scent of my balls constantly on your mind.

[yankee82093]

Apparently a big weakness with Nova is that he doesn't hide the ball well at all or something like that. Like there's no deception at all. This issue has mitigated his good stuff.

And his numbers in the minors aren't really that good. The lowest FIP he ever had was like 3.37 in the FSL, where I'm pretty sure the average FIP is something ridiculous like 3.70. He's played in extreme pitcher's leagues and parks for pretty much his entire minor league career, and has never really dominated. Thus his MLE's are kind of mediocre.

I still think he is a solid prospect, but right now I doubt he will ever be more than #3. Again, that's still quite valuable. He has good stuff, but no deception and doesn't exactly have great command. He just seems like a "control, but not command" kind of a pitcher.

And He probably does deserve a shot in the postseason. He is better than Javy and Burnett.

[TheHugeUnit2]

Good list. I agree with most of it minus a little shuffling here and there. I'd probably have Jose Ramirez on my list too and but its hard to bump anyone. Its truly amazing how deep this system is.

Yep, it was hard to leave him, Feliz and Flores. Even Mesa, he was excellent this year. I also have a hard time ranking the new draftees as I don't know too much about them. Huge fan of Williams though. Really think and hope Eduardo Sosa establishes himself as a top 10 prospect in the system next year and finishes in Tampa.

[Bob420]

Less than 65% to make it as a regular major league starter. Make it as a starter does not mean make spot starts for a season or two. The original post has him at a 65% to be a major league starter AND an All Star or an "A". Pettitte is listed as a comp for an A-. That is why I said I don't think he has a 65% to make it as a starter, let alone and all star in my original post. I mean a regular major league starter. Not in an out of the rotation, long guy, relief etc. Whether it be injury, set back, mechanics, lack of ability etc., I think he is destined for the bullpen. Hughes2.50, get a grip. You are doing the same thing you did with your original Royal Flush. You are just switching the names when reality sets in. Betances a 65% chance to be a an A+ or perennial All Star? Banuelos a 60% chance to be an A+ or perennial All Star? Brackman? Listen, I like to get excited about the prospects and I think they all have upside, but a couple of months of success at A+ and AA does not make them locks to be fixtures in rotations.

[yankee82093]

Less than 65% to make it as a regular major league starter. Make it as a starter does not mean make spot starts for a season or two. The original post has him at a 65% to be a major league starter AND an All Star or an "A". Pettitte is listed as a comp for an A-. That is why I said I don't think he has a 65% to make it as a starter, let alone and all star in my original post. I mean a regular major league starter. Not in an out of the rotation, long guy, relief etc. Whether it be injury, set back, mechanics, lack of ability etc., I think he is destined for the bullpen. Hughes2.50, get a grip. You are doing the same thing you did with your original Royal Flush. You are just switching the names when reality sets in. Betances a 65% chance to be a an A+ or perennial All Star? Banuelos a 60% chance to be an A+ or perennial All Star? Brackman? Listen, I like to get excited about the prospects and I think they all have upside, but a couple of months of success at A+ and AA does not make them locks to be fixtures in rotations.

I don't have an exact number, but I'm sure it much less than that.

[primetime714]

With the amazing success of our system this year I wonder if we look to make a big trade in the offseason. It would not be that difficult to get a impact player using some of our prospects. The question is who could we acquire? Colby Rasmus is a name that immediately comes to mind with his recent issues in St Louis. He wouldn't be cheap, but its hard to argue that he wouldn't be worth it. The Jays could sell high on Bautista, but do we want to buy at that price? I'd say maybe to Bautista cause he can play OF and 3B which would give us a lot of flexibility to rest guys. Closers like Heath Bell and Broxton only have 1 more year on their deals. Maybe a starter like Wandy Rodriguez who only has 1 more year on his deal.

I also wonder about a Catcher given the fact that Posada is a part time catcher at best and Cervelli is an average backup at best and who knows what Montero can give you at the position. I wonder if Soto could be had from Chicago or Miguel Montero from Arizona.

[TheHugeUnit2]

Cashman won't probably go for a star, but more of a Granderson, Swisher type pick up where he can use spare parts and what not. Guys who aren't studs and we won't miss too much. GM Meetings should be interesting might give us a better idea of who is on the market.

[Hughes2.50]

Andrew Brackman, #5 Yankee prospect, won the first game of the Eastern League Championship round, in relief of Andy Pettitte.

Brackman pitched five innings of shutout ball, giving up only one hit, one walk, and four strikeouts.

Austin Romine, #12 Yankee prospect, got the game winning hit in the top of the 10th, scoring Krum.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Cashman won't probably go for a star, but more of a Granderson, Swisher type pick up where he can use spare parts and what not. Guys who aren't studs and we won't miss too much. GM Meetings should be interesting might give us a better idea of who is on the market.

Granderson should be traded in the offseason.

[budstinks]

He certainly should be in the discussion to be in the 2011 rotation- but FB isn't everything in the bigs. To be a #1 or #2 SP, you need command of 3 solid to above average pitches.

I agree that FB is nice, but the rest of his stuff doesn't come close to saying top-of-the-rotation SP.

Oh, I agree. But he's young enough to improve those pitches. After watching last night he definitely needs to tighten up his breaking pitch and just get better command of it.

The change up at times looked lights out and then at other times looked like a piece of meat hanging there for some butcher to take a wack at.

Fastball has quite a bit of sink at times, then flattens out. He gets a lot of pop ups/fly balls as it seems hitters had a hard time centering him early on.

He has a lot of work to do to clean up the edges, but the raw stuff is there. At a minimum, he could end up in the pen like a young Mo. He's still only 23, he's not what he is to become yet.

[jeter62375]

Nice article about the yanks having deep minor league pitching:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insid...ory?id=5572351

[Yankees1962]

Nice article about the yanks having deep minor league pitching:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insid...ory?id=5572351

Yes indeed. Also, I think Marshall is going to bust out even moreso next year and I expect him to gain another couple of ticks on his fastball similar to what happen to Man-Ban this year.

[teknetic]

Copy and pasta please?

[Yankees1962]

Copy and pasta please?

How about some coin for our subscriptions?

[Yankees1962]

Here you go from BA's chat today:

• • Eli (NY): Does Montero rank in top 10 prospects for 2011?

  
  Jim Callis: Yes, easily. Jesus Montero is still one of the top five prospects in baseball, and I'd take him over Bryce Harper.

[THEBOSS84]

Wow, he'd take him over Bryce Harper. A prospect who has never taken one pro AB. Some leap there.

[THEBOSS84]

Speak of the devil -

Jesus Montero or Bryce Harper ?
Wednesday September 15, 2010 3:21 Jeff
3:22

Frankie Piliere:
I could say Bryce Harper but until he takes one swing in pro baseball, still taking Montero. That could change quickly though once I scout Harper at instructs. We shall see.

[THEBOSS84]

Here is a link to Frankie's chat - some good Yankee questions..

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/09/15/m...lshare_twitter

[Yankees1962]

What do you think about the plethora of Yanks' pitching prospects who have stepped it up this year? What do you think about the following ceilings Banuelos, Brackman, Betances - #1/#2; Noesi, Nova, Stoneburner, Ramirez, Warren, Marshall - #3; Phelps - #4? I know it's rudimentary to group them like that, but they've had a hell of a year. Wednesday September 15, 2010 3:01 Yankee1010

3:04

Frankie Piliere: I think Banuelos has a #1 ceiling, no doubt in my mind. Betances can be a 1-2 if he can stay durable enough and that's a big if. We have to see how his stuff responds over the course of a full season. Brackman, I still don't love, but he came a long way this year. I think he could be very interesting in the pen. He has frontline stuff, but his command has a lot of catching up to do. Noesi - mid rotation starter. Nova - 2/3. Stoneburner...the jury is still out for me. Phelps is a 4 for me. Warren I haven't seen this season. Saw Marshall last year and the raw velo was fantastic but he has a ways to go.

[Matsui55]

Cashman won't probably go for a star, but more of a Granderson, Swisher type pick up where he can use spare parts and what not. Guys who aren't studs and we won't miss too much. GM Meetings should be interesting might give us a better idea of who is on the market.

With our pitching depth- and the ability to give back a CF (Granderson)- I wonder if the Yanks could set up a deal to get Matt Kemp from the Dodgers?

[TheHugeUnit2]

With our pitching depth- and the ability to give back a CF (Granderson)- I wonder if the Yanks could set up a deal to get Matt Kemp from the Dodgers?

Dodgers would want a major league ready SP and would ask for Hughes and maybe Granderson or even a brackman type prospect. They badly need SP, they have Keshaw of course then Billingsley and prospects.

[NYDCYankee]

Rasmus might be a better option.

[kan_t]

Rasmus might be a better option.

Good idea and I think it's possible. Granderson plus a pitching prospect, hopefully.

[Hughes2.50]

Good idea and I think it's possible. Granderson plus a pitching prospect, hopefully.

Prospects thread guys, go to a trade options thread.