A K/BB rate of 3.50 is good but not when you're walking as many as he is he needs to get his BB/9 below 3 especially since he's still in A+ ball, i wonder how he will do against more experience and patient hittersOriginally Posted by Melan-cynic
A K/BB rate of 3.50 is good but not when you're walking as many as he is he needs to get his BB/9 below 3 especially since he's still in A+ ball, i wonder how he will do against more experience and patient hitters
Needs to get he bb/9 below 3? You crazy man. If he had a bb/9 under 3 and struck out 13 per nine they'd be calling him a lefthanded Josh Beckett [who basically had no weakness as a prospect]. Moore gives up 5-7 hits per nine and has a 13 k/9. He can afford to walk 3.5-3.8 batters per nine as a 21 year old.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
This very issue is one that I have heard others discuss also. Tampa had the benefit of like 8-9 years in a row where they drafted top 5 or so. Let's see how their farm system is 2-3 years from now, when they have gone several years of drafting in the lower half of each round.
Of course, they will probably get extra picks for Crawford, Pena, et al. But these won't be top cream picks.
We took Sublett in the 7th that year. But the pick that really bothered me was the 6th rounder - we took Weems, the Catcher, and really did not need him. He did bring us Hairston, IIRC.
Yeah, even more young talent will be put into that system haha. Jeeze. I could see the Phillies going for one. Halladay, Oswalt, Garza/Shields, Blanton and Kendrick. Mets maybe for the other one.
I should've made myself clearer, i meant he should get his BB/9 to around 3 or below by the time he gets himself to the majors. I can't see him maintaining a 13 k/9 when he is in the big leagues so walking as many as he does. Even still his BB/9 numbers seem to increase then decrease year on year (We can exclude his first).
Maybe my head is being skewed by Betances insane numbers this season or even Banuelos who had great numbers in his 10 A+ starts this season but right now MM seems like a left handed Brandon Morrow or maybe slightly better.
I dont know, if he had those exact rate stats in the majors, he'd probably throw close to 100 pitches every 5 innings even in a good start. I mean they would obviously be 5 pretty dominant innings, but its still something he'd be encouraged to improve a lot
It's a fair concern, but that's not actually something [pitch conservation] Moore has been guilty of just yet and is also a part of growing up as a pitcher.
Check his last 10 starts. He's gone 7 innings twice, 6.2 innings once and 6 innings four times. He struck out 10 or more batters in every one of those starts and 77 altogether to just 9 walks in those 44.2 innings-pitched.
I also wouldn't be surprised if he was under an innings or pitch limit at some point during the season.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
He'll just have to settle on being the 2nd coming of Clayton Kershaw, if he cant manage to reduce his walk totals...
"Owning the Yankees," Steinbrenner once said, "is like owning the Mona Lisa."
But wait, I thought the only good players were guys who were given big bonuses. Rays GM was evidently being cheap there.
Thats a hell of a pitching matchup
Are they killing Hamels?
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It's actually the other way. A k/BB of 2, with the k/9 being 4 and the bb/9 being 2 is significantly worse than another pitcher with a k/bb of 2, though with a k/9 of 9 and a bb/9 of 4.5
Forgot about him, maybe they dump Kendrick or Blanton.
Because I've ever said that about the Rays. Get your facts straight next time.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
anyone have a scouting report on what chase whitley throws? kid has been dominate out of the pen as our 15th rounder. 3K's in a perfect inning tonight for tampa in the 3-0 game 1 win.
Average FB at 89-92 and a good changeup.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
thanks
Corban Joseph is a little banged up, and will miss the EL division series . To take his place, Rob Segedin was called up.
Big weight on the kids shoulders after just being signed 1 month ago.
He from Jersey, he can handle it.
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interesting that segedin was the choice. they could have move suttle to AA and lyerly or segedin to A+ instead but they had him jump all the way to AA so they must be very high on him.
Have fun at the game tonight! Should be fun to watch.What prediction?
Also, just bought my tix for tomorrow night's Thunder game. 10 rows behind homeplate for Dellin versus Kyle Drabek.
Thanks man. I'll be sure to report my thoughts tomorrow.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
Talk about one of the better matchups in the minors this years.
Drabek has a perfect game so far and Betances has 7 Ks no walks through 4.
Fistpumping like a champion.
Now 8 strike outs through 5.
Keith Law.Betances sat 91-92 at first but just fanned hechevarria on a 95 mph fastball. #yanks
Doesnt get better than that..Hurry up and form a 1-2 punch with CC, please.
"Owning the Yankees," Steinbrenner once said, "is like owning the Mona Lisa."
Dellin out 5.1 2H 1BB 8K. that's a playoff start right there.
up 1-0 as drabek lost the perfect game.
I never thought I would miss Andy this much.
Heyer in Tampa is pitching decent too.
Nice to see him come up big in a big game.
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he is out cause of a delay in the game.
suttle 3-3 3 2B in 5-0 lead.
Trenton Wins at the same time as SWB loses on a walkoff HR given up by Sanit
They missed Jesus.
'It's about championships' Cliff Lee will be taking his talents to the South Bronx.
Why wasn't he in the lineup?
Bring back Ted Lilly!
apparently a lower leg infection. no details on how serious other than saying day-to-day
scranton lost and it is phelps vs zmac in game 2
so trenton wins behind Dellin. Up 1-0 it is 4 innings or 65 pitches of andy backed by Warren in game 2.
tampa looks poised to go up 2-0 w a 5-0 lead in the 7th.
Betances was hitting 95 MPH. Supposedly Cox and Franklin got into a confrontation after Cox was pulled.
Suttle had three hits, two RBIs in Tampa's win.
Anybody see the KLaw write up on Betances last night? I looked but couldn't find it. Will be particularly interesting to see him compared to Drabek....and also to see if he was sitting higher than 91-92 in the later innings.
I hope Melan-cynic brought his radar gun haha
closest thing i can find right now, Mashmore talks about KLaw and his write up
http://thunderbaseball.wordpress.com...out-the-night/
under the picture of dellin throwing a pitch it says this ... "His overall stuff isn't frontline-worthy, but Betances is on a good track."
klaw blows drabek, says he "reaches a new level", but craps on dellin. calls dellin's changeup average, but says he had to guide it for strikes. said he has a hard breaking curve with "absolutely no feel for the pitch". he goes on to say he doesn't get great extension, has "well below average" command and "seemed to lose focus" with men on base. overall says he has "good arm strength, and has a workhorse, top-of-the-rotation body, but the poor command and secondary stuff put him far away from any kind of high-end starter ceiling."
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?...ith&id=5549942
Yet Betances had five men in scoring position with less than two outs and none of them scored. I think KLaw is a joke!
klaw is an absolute clown, he can't be taken seriously at all when writing about yankee or red sox prospects. biggest yankee hater/red sox apologist in the media. 5 and 1/3, 2 hits, 0 er, 1 bb, 8 k's without his best stuff and he basically says he's a future #4 starter. drabek goes 6/3/1/2/5 and he's headed to the hall of fame.
Mr. Law's exact words:
Dellin Betances has a big size advantage on Drabek and a better changeup, but otherwise was the inferior pitcher in every category. He sat mostly 91-93, touching 96 once and dialing up to 94-95 a handful of times. His changeup has good fading action and arm speed, and is probably an average pitch in the majors right now, but he had to guide it to throw it for strikes. He throws a hard-breaking curve at 80-85 but had absolutely no feel for the pitch, failing to finish it, leaving it up or having it back up on him.
Getty ImagesHis overall stuff isn't frontline-worthy, but Betances is on a good track.
Betances also doesn't get great extension out front and a slightly early release point may be behind his inability to command the curve, although his command in general was well below average. He also made two errant throws with men on base and generally seemed to lose focus with a guy on first, even though with a man on third he was able to bear down and focus on the hitter. He's just 22, has good arm strength, and has a workhorse, top-of-the-rotation body, but the poor command and secondary stuff put him far away from any kind of high-end starter ceiling.
Yet somehow Dellin had more K's and less walks than Drabek....ok Law
Oh and for reference
Drabek's career in the minors so far
3.4BB/9 7.5K/9
Drabek's never had a K/9 over 9 in his Minor League Career. In contrast, Dellin's never had a K/9 under 9 except for 1 year in which he was 8.9 K/9. Otherwise Dellin K's 10+/9 so far
Got a chuckle outta this.The drama came as he was coming in and warming up; he replaced J. Brent Cox, who slammed the ball on the ground when Trenton manager Tony Franklin came to take it from him, then proceeded to throw a tantrum in the dugout and confront Franklin again. That should earn Cox his walking papers, as his stuff isn't what it was before Tommy John surgery (he had an above-average slider but threw it all the time with bad arm action) and no team should tolerate that behavior from any player, much less a non-prospect like Cox.
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