Exactly. ESPN has to stop exalting these players - look at the LeBron James situation. The hype is ridiculous. Strasburg - UGH - what a disaster this has turned out to be.Originally Posted by JohnnyDamonfan
Exactly. ESPN has to stop exalting these players - look at the LeBron James situation. The hype is ridiculous. Strasburg - UGH - what a disaster this has turned out to be.
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I wonder if this is why the Yanks changed Joba's mechanics.
Jesus Montero since June 1 (286 at-bats):
.325/.386/.605/.991
July 1 (182 at-bats):
.348/.417/.658/1.075
If you ever watched him pitch, you would understand the hype.
It's certainly possible, especially if they think that's why he injured himself beforehand.
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I would have taken that injury risk rather than seeing him cost us ballgames.
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They should probably just give Joba the Tommy John surgery then when he recovers, have him go back to his old mechanics.
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I'd say I called it, but predicting a power pitcher might blow up his arm is like predicting the sun will rise in the morning
Negative. His cutter is not a human pitch, even he says he does not know why it moves like it does, says "God does it." I believe him.
people actually think it's better to warp a great pitcher into a 'who knows, maybe he'll suck, maybe he won't' kid, just to save him from surgery?
what
the
hell.
Please. Almost every scout gave him 5-6 years tops.
It's sad how he will join Kerry Woods, and Mark Prior, as studs who never really got it going...damn so sad!!!!
Remember this Bryce Harper and your damn "Braveheart" eyeblack...you're only an injury away from working at home depot..
It's certainly discouraging to put it mildly but it's premature to write his obituary. Plenty of of pitchers have come back from TJ surgeryl.
Never left the Betances bandwagon.
An optimist will see a blown out elbow, rather than a shoulder, as a blessing. The success rate of Tommy Johns surgery is now very high. Sure, Strasburg will miss all of next season, but with this operation he could be as good as new in spring 2012 when he will still be just 23.
Nevertheless, it is hard to see this glass as even half-full. After nine starts, Strasburg had to be put on the disabled list with shoulder inflammation. After 12 starts, he has a torn elbow ligament. That combination seems to corroborate that Strasburg has a quirk in his delivery that makes arm injuries almost inevitable.
In an interview I conducted on a Sirius show on July 29, White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper identified Strasburg’s problem and said, “I am not wishing this guy bad, but for him to be having problems right now when they are really, really watching him what are they going to see when they are trying to get 220 innings from him? He does something with his arm action that is difficult, in my mind, to pitch a whole lot of innings on.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yanke...MrHjV6DUVGEmYL
I heard this interview live on XM and when word came down of the injury, that was the very first thing I thought of.
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Granted I didnt follow this kid up close when he was pitching in college, got drafted etc. but I am hearing ALOT of stuff come out now about "I knew he was going to break down and get hurt! His motion, release, arm angle etc etc. was such that it was guaranteed to happen! He couldnt throw 100 consistently and do the things he was doing w/his arm and stay healthy for long"
Well if this is all true then why a) wasnt this stuff out there more leading up to the draft? All I heard was how good he was, a cant miss, the next dominant pitcher etc...again didnt hear anything about he was an serious injury waiting to happen. And b) if he was such a guaranteed injury, then why was he drafted #1? I mean if "everyone knew 100%" that he couldnt hold up physically....why draft him?
Jesus Montero since June 1 (286 at-bats):
.325/.386/.605/.991
July 1 (182 at-bats):
.348/.417/.658/1.075
Different eyes for one. What one person (Don Cooper) sees, others may not. In this case Cooper was right.
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Strasburg to the pen!
Wonder if I can resell that Strasburg rookie card we bought for $40,000?
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So to sum up, if I'm understanding correctly, the kid's special potential derived in large part from unsustainable mechanics. In other words, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
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Hype and $$$.
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You make a great point here. Really, I just think hindsight is 20/20. Everyone is saying how they totally knew he was gonna blow up, but we all would have taken him in a heartbeat. Pitching in general is unnatural and stressful on the arm, shoulder, and even the back, and its not hard to predict injuries. It's like saying a football player might get a concussion. This is certainly not a scientific observation, but it seems to me that the guys who hold up the best usually have the chubbier body type (CC, Wells, even Clemens), but there are certain exceptions (Mo).
But then, if you mess with someone's delivery, they could just totally fall off. I don't think Washington misused the kid. He just popped the muscle doing what he's been doing probably since the age of 15.
Negative. His cutter is not a human pitch, even he says he does not know why it moves like it does, says "God does it." I believe him.
Does it mean that we can trade Joba for him now?
Woah Woah Woah...he's like 2nd in the AL in HLDS. They got to throw in Zimmerman too.
And Bryce Harper.
To dabomb's point and yours...
I think the general problem is that there is no standard for the evaluation of pithcers' mechanics. Some people (Dr. Mike Marshall) are seen as complete quacks and are essentially ostracized from baseball for their opinions regarding mechanics. Others swear by the "inverted W" as a sure sign of future issues, others do not.
I can't imagine that the Nationals never heard or had a discussion about the opinions floating out there regarding Stars' mechanics. They either didn't believe them or simply chose to ignore them.
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Sure, but does that mean you pass on a guy like him? I can't imagine doing so. Hell, even now I'd take him on the Yankees.
Negative. His cutter is not a human pitch, even he says he does not know why it moves like it does, says "God does it." I believe him.
Proven MLB veteran pitchers can get hurt just as easily as a rookie.
Assuming the talent & safe projection is worth it, I prefer giving the long term deals to the draft picks over the players with too much wear & tear on them.
I guess Mariano Rivera was done too, after he had to have Tommy John. Tommy John surgery is something most pitchers recover from these days. If it was a shoulder injury of similar magnitude you would probably be correct.
I think it is a lot of people who dont know what they are talking about, speaking from generalizations that are held to be true in baseball, AFTER the fact.
The guy gets hurt so they work backwards and see that he throws hard, and then act like they predicted it all along.
There are plenty of hard throwers in the majors. Strasburg at his best doesnt really do any one thing that another MLB pitcher cant do. However his combination of talents is what makes him the phenom he is. His velocity combined with his breaking stuff combined with his control.
He might get hurt again and never amount to anything. However that is pretty much true of literally every pitcher. That risk is always there.
1. Are we in 2012 where Strasburg has come back from his TJ surgery and is now topping out at 91 MPH on his fastball and incapable of getting anyone out? Lets not quite kill his career yet.
2. Does Eyeblack really offend you that much? He's a 17 year old kid who loves playing the game. Saw him, on video, during BP a few days ago and he hit one into the 3rd deck at Nationals Park. The guy has legit power.
3. With his millions that he already has, it's doubtful you'll see him schlepping lumber in Home Depot any time soon
No one in here knows better than the scouts/doctors/whoevers that look into drafting players. It makes for good discussion to say "see I told you", but none of us know better despite what we may think. We cannot compete with the top scouts and doctors that money can buy. If there was a potential problem with Strasburg, the Nats would have fixed it or done something about it, they wouldn't rush him out there to earn a few extra bucks this year if they knew it could possibly cause them losing YEARS of revenue due to injury. The kid was dominating every level of minors while still maintaining a reasonable pitch load, they would've been foolish to do anything other than what they did imo.
Javy Vazquez's 2010 non-Cy Young season: 4-10, 7.15 ERA, 140 Ks, 170 IP.
I don't think i'd pass on him either. My point is that there was info. out there and people who said that he was going to be likely candidate for TJS once he hit the big leagues.
Like I said, the issue is that there is no proven, scientific standard for evaluating a pitcher's mechanics.
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