Apparently the Diamondbacks get a compensation pick (#7 overall next year) and Loux is now a free agent.....should the Yankees be interested in signing him? He failed his physical with the Diamondbacks which led to the negotiations breaking down but the Yankees havent shied away from players who are hurt. Ideas? Suggestions?
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I mentioned that idea a few hours ago, and I am certainly in favor of it. The only problem is he is from Houston, and would love to pitch for the Astros. I certainly could not blame him for that. But I think it is worthwhile to inquire what he would think about Pinstripes? The Dezse and Viramontes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ could be used there.Originally Posted by parkerstrong
how serious is his shoulder problem?
oy vey
Labrum tear plus possible TJS may be needed
Ouch....that is significant. I guess it depends on how much $$$$ he wants.
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was a full blown tear? thought i read he had some fraying, plus his elbow caused some concerns.
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Yup, it all depends on how bad of a tear it is.
Any idea on a comparison to him? Didn't really hear that much about him. We could sign him knowing he needs surgery like we did with Brackman if he's worth it.
I would have no problem signing him if the price is right but un like Brackman who had TJS a shoulder injury is whole different bowl of wax... i.e. Wang
Good point, TJS is almost a commonplace thing now, Mitchell made it back not even a year after. Shoulders are an entirely different issue
I think that it can't hurt to ask. However, if he still wants that $2M with all the surgery he's facing, I think the Yanks should tell him to sign elsewhere. Remember that Loux is all about the FB- and as we saw many years ago with Brien Taylor, there is a good chance after a shoulder injury that the FB doesn't come back
So true, The only guy i can recall comming back with a fair amount of success was Frank Tananna. He was a flame ball guy who re made him self. Can you name any others ??
Zumaya? Obviously hurt himself again, but he was lights out this year.
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From a Dbacks perspective im happy with how the situation worked out but the Dbacks should never have put himself in that situation. What you do have to remember though is that Loux has two major red flags hanging over him. I think the likelihood of this kid coming back healthy soon is very small.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...ondbacks080310In the Diamondbacks’ eyes, Loux is damaged goods. Their medical staff’s customary MRI on Loux’s arm turned up two red flags. The first: Loux has a tear in his labrum, a shoulder injury that has ended careers. The second: Loux’s elbow, which had bone chips taken out in 2009, showed signs of eventually needing Tommy John surgery.
Any thought the Dbacks knew about this and did it on purpose so they could save face about punting a pick this year to get 2 of the top 7 in next years supposed "super" draft?
can't rule out the possibility.
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I've no information to make me rule that possibility out, however i would find it very difficult to think that an MLB club would risk loosing the leverage of having a compensation protected pick in this years draft in order to get a no-compensation protected pick next year. You have to remember that the Dbacks will have to sign whoever the pick at #7 next year so the leverage they had this year will be lost.
In the Loux saga the Dbacks were not allowed to take MRI scans before the draft and all the medical records provided by Loux showed he was clear from the problems he had previously. However it soon became clear that Loux was hiding more then the Dbacks envisioned. He had two major injuries to his throwing arm and there was no way the Dbacks were gonna take a risk in pursuing his signature. Sure the fact that they will get an extra high pick in next years loaded draft class didnt hurt either
Can the DBacks sign him and still keep the pick?
Interesting concept, though I doubt Senor Bud would allow that to happen, if they sign him I think they would just take the extar pick away.
They Would lose the pick. This is not the first time this has happened. The Mets Drafted Billy Trabor years ago and signed him but later found out he had tendon issues and the Mets resigned him at a lower rate.They didn't receive an extra pick.
Yeah but they weren't granted a pick to begin with? or what about if they wait until next year and slip him some TJS money now and draft a pick and then sign him after the draft when he's healed up. That would be a slick move.
The Dbacks can sign and would still keep the pick as Loux has been declared a Free Agent by Bud Selig in consideration of Loux's special circumstances. This means that he is free to sign with any club. The Dbacks received their comp pick in compensation for not signing Loux as a draft player so if they sign him as a free agent that comp pick would be unaffected.
The following quote from the Bud Selig's statement explains the situation very well
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/0...ee-agency.htmlWe have reached an agreement regarding Barret Loux’s status that is mutually beneficial to the parties. Today Commissioner Selig has announced that Loux will become a free agent on September 1. As such, he will be free to sign with any Major League Club at that time. In addition, the Arizona Diamondbacks will receive a Supplemental Selection in the 2011 First-Year Player Draft. The agreement also provides an opportunity for the Commissioner’s Office and the Players Association globally to the address the issues that can arise from questions concerning a drafted player’s health. Given the private nature of the underlying disagreement here, neither party will be making any further public comments about this situation."
The likelihood of the Loux agreeing to return to the Dbacks is minimal to none as his relationship with the Dbacks would've been seriously soured even though no side was actually to blame. Expect Loux to sign with anybody by the Dbacks and most likely with his hometown Astros.
That is a very different case to the Loux case. The Dbacks found the defects in Loux before signing him and therefore never forefeited their pick. In the Trabor case the Mets found the issue with him after signing him thereby giving up their chance of getting a comp pick. The comp pick for the Dbacks is now guaranteed regardless of whether they sign Loux or not. Loux being granted a free agent is a first as far as i understand and his free agency status allows any team to sign him without forefeiting anything.
Why couldn't we pull this with Brackman? We drafted him knowing he was injured and would need TJS. We could have gotten an extra pick the next year and then sign him as an FA anyway. I think this sets a bad precedent for teams drafting injured kids, having a wink wink deal that they can't sign, have the kids then sign with them afterwards and still get an extra pick the next year.
Excellent point All Praise be to Mo. The Yankee's drafting of Brackman, the size of his signing bonus, his required surgery (which they knew about) and the fact that he was immediately placed on the 40 man roster was the all time low point for me regarding the draft and my confidence in the front office. Brackman needs to do alot in the major leagues for the move to pan out imo.
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I thought The DBs signed him? They could have just passed on him and recieved a pick in the following year. I could have sworn i read he signed for 2.2 .
Nope. They passed because of questions about his injuries.
I guess so, I guess they agreed but never signed. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...ondbacks080310
the draft next year is supposedly so deep, and they'll have two extremely high picks, it is totally feasible that they could simply pick the guy with the 7b pick who they arrange a predraft deal with (similar to what was rumored to have happened with the Yankees and Slade and Murphy last year) to ensure they don't waste the pick but still get a 1st round talent. unless something drastic happens and they change the slotting system (unlikely), you can still get a guy at a reasonable price even if you overdraft him because pretty much every 1st rounder this year signed for over slot anyways and that will still probably be around what you paid for the guy with a later pick due to bonus demands.I've no information to make me rule that possibility out, however i would find it very difficult to think that an MLB club would risk loosing the leverage of having a compensation protected pick in this years draft in order to get a no-compensation protected pick next year. You have to remember that the Dbacks will have to sign whoever the pick at #7 next year so the leverage they had this year will be lost.
In the Loux saga the Dbacks were not allowed to take MRI scans before the draft and all the medical records provided by Loux showed he was clear from the problems he had previously. However it soon became clear that Loux was hiding more then the Dbacks envisioned. He had two major injuries to his throwing arm and there was no way the Dbacks were gonna take a risk in pursuing his signature. Sure the fact that they will get an extra high pick in next years loaded draft class didnt hurt either
it would make sense...
Yeah i agree, becuase of the draft class being so deep and rich in talent next year the Dback could very well get an elite talent with their unprotected comp pick which is something they would normally not be able to do in most years. The Nats last year had to go for a 2nd-4th round talent in Drew Storen with their comp pick at #10 largely because it was a thin draft class and all the good players were demanding top money. But because the draft class in 2011 is so deep, a lot of top class 1st round type players would likely be happy to sign for the slot amount for the #7 pick considering they'd otherwise have to battle with a lot of other really good talented players and could be pushed into the 2nd or even 3rd.
I can see the Dbacks getting a deal done before the draft with a player in order to protect their comp pick next year.
Thats the link i actually posted but in essence the Dbacks drafted Loux but never signed him because he failed his physical tests.
The elbow is nothing but teams will review that arm before he gets a dollar.
Forget slot money, if I'm the DBacks next year, I take the top talent available with both. They still have the leverage of it being the last year without a hard slot on draft picks they can use. All of these clubs know what it will take to sign someone before the draft, I'm sure they can find a top talent that they can come to an agreement with on $.
You have to remember the Dbacks generally dont tend to go overslot but you make a good point regarding this being the last year of the current draft system. That coupled with the Dback having shed a lot of salary and made a lot of savings could mean they take a riskier approach than they normally do. All things said with the draft class bursting with top talent next year they should be able to get two top notch talents.
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Speaking of next years draft class, this may be a bit off topic, but with the hard slotting being discussed. If I were the Yankees I would load up next draft, draft overslot high talent guys all 50 picks, spend 30 or 40 million on the draft to load up the farm for several years to come, one final middle finger to comrade Bud before the hard slotting system hits the draft.
Nice find ,Thanks
This is just crazy.
First, you are assuming that overslot players will fall to the Yanks- something that has occurred less and less over the past several years.
Second, even if you like a kid, why overpay to get him. Giving the kid more money doesn't make him a better player- its just means you paid more.
Why is this crazy? Overslot guys will always fall in the draft, yea less of them lately, but they'll still fall. I'm not talking about overpaying mediocrity, I'm talking about strictly taking the high talent guys that want a bunch of money. For instance in this draft, I would have went for Taillon, Austin Wilson, AJ Cole, Castellanos, types like that who fell out of the top of the 1st round due to $ demands. I'm not saying take a horrible player and overpay them, but go after the true impact types, that with a hard slotting system in place the year after next won't fall to us and we won't have the ability to use our financial muscle. This would be the last time to use our monetary advantage in the draft and I think the Yankees would be fools to let it slip away.
All the other guys you mentioned fell but Taillon was actually selected with the 2nd overall pick by Pittsburgh.
Sorry, just thought of high ceiling high priced talent. But you understand what I'm saying. No reason not to do this next year, especially since we've got a top 10 system now, lets keep going for the high impact players.
Considering its likely gonna be the last year with no hard slot bonuses enforced a lot of teams will be looking to exploit that fact. Teams will likely look to entice players with a higher bonuses that like arent gonna be available in the future at the same slot the player is picked at lower in the draft. This will mean teams will shell out more for later draft picks but i dont think any team will even ponder going over a $20 million and realistically teams that do follow this tactic might go from typically spending 10 million to 15-17million but i cant see it going any higher then that.
I don't see why a small market team wouldn't go over 20 million next year. Especially with all this revenue sharing finances coming to public view. That would be a great way to show, "Hey we're spending the money, no need to change the system" so they can keep pocketing the money we give them to suck.
Largely because the draft is a crapshoot and $20 million dollars is an awful lot of money for a small or mid market to risk in one draft. They will increase their draft budgets from the norm but not expansively.
Its too late for that- that's effectively locking the barn door after the horses have escaped. I think Jason Stark's article on this issue the other way captured the issue well- the rich and middle class teams had no access to these figures and were shocked at the abuse of the system.
Stark had an exec make a very good point- the system was designed to create competitive balance, not subsidize the minor league infrastructure and long term development of players.
What has no been discussed yet is the great gift all of this has been to the player's union. The owners have been fighting for a cap and planned to use the "poor card" in negotiations. That has now been completely destroyed. Of greater concern to the owners should be that the players now have evidence that even the lowest revenue teams have been turning massive profits without investing the profits in the ML players.
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