Best performance of his career. Havent seen someone do things like that since Joba was there in 2007.
Best performance of his career. Havent seen someone do things like that since Joba was there in 2007.
"Owning the Yankees," Steinbrenner once said, "is like owning the Mona Lisa."
Even in a rehabbing year I admit he needs to move to Trenton.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
That Joba was a myth, it never really existed.
Wonder how hard Betances was throwing.
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At this point, I agree. He needs to be challenged by better hitters.Originally Posted by Melan-cynic
That said, I do think they should monitor his IP- he really hasn't pitched much over the past 2 years, and they might want to err on the side of caution with this much talent.
Not a bad debut in AAA for Laird. He is only 4 for 4 with 2 homers...
He can still be monitored in Trenton. At this stage it will only be 2 or 3 starts anyways...so it doesnt matter either side of the debate you are on I guess.
Laird, oh my.
"Owning the Yankees," Steinbrenner once said, "is like owning the Mona Lisa."
BTW, is anyone else watching what Melky Mesa has done over the past couple of months? Suddenly, we are looking at a guy who might have a 20 HR 30 SB year and is currently hitting over .260. He's making some serious headway in to realizing that monster talent.
Heathcott 2-4 with a walk
Laird .298-25-92. Career highs in Hr's and RBI.
He's now had 3 great years and one mediocre one. I'd venture to say that Laird is a pretty good hitter.
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Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
Where do you think BA will have Dellin in their off-season, top 100 list? I say top ten.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
Yeah, they may not feel it's worth moving him at this point. Excited to see him at Trenton in a full season next year, regardless.
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
Definitely in top 50, My guess is around 30.
What's Dellin gonna get - 5/6 more starts? Given that, and doing what he has been doing to the FSL, I don't see how they rank him lower than 10. Take a look around at their top ten lists, very few pitchers have this kid's ceiling. BA correctly assigns high-ceiling talents with very high rankings when they realize their potential in High A or higher leagues. Sometimes even low A ball.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
Betances is a top 30-50 guy thanks to his injury history and the lack of innings-pitched because of it.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
Scranton & Trenton are both going to the playoffs. Tampa could also, but they have to make up some ground. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the SWB pitchers get called up once the rosters expand. So I would guess some guys will be moving just to fill spots.
My guess is Betences definitely moves up if Tampa drops out of the race. While both Scranton and Trenton have plenty of pitching, I bet they wouldn't mind seeing how Betences does in a playoff atmosphere, (even if he was in Tampa and they did make the playoffs, there isn't much of a playoff atmosphere there). There isn't much of anything but two teams, the umpires and a few players girlfriends.
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Well, you make sure you get your copy of BA and mark where Dellin ends up on the list, I hope someday you get to make personel decisions for a team outside of New York. I shudder to think what kind of trades you'd make given how quickly you give up on talented kids. You're the epitome of a frontrunning fan, overestimating brand names and underestimating what you have already.
Betances is a top 30-50 guy thanks to his injury history and the lack of innings-pitched because of it.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
This will be fun.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
dellin has yet to throw a full season.. he will not be in the BA's top 10, and if you think otherwise, you are mentally challenged
You do the same. Bet the ranch he's not in the top 10.
Yeah that's me. Way to completely whiff and then make up things.I hope someday you get to make personel decisions for a team outside of New York. I shudder to think what kind of trades you'd make given how quickly you give up on talented kids. You're the epitome of a frontrunning fan, overestimating brand names and underestimating what you have already.
Check my post history smart guy. While you were MIA, I spent the trading deadline demanding the Yanks keep Montero out of ANY deal. I also was one of the few voices who was upset Melancon was dealt - hm, maybe my handle might give that away - and Dellin is my favorite Yankees prospect, epitomized by my original sig and profile picture which has been there since I first registered here in 2008. Show me where I've ever said I'd trade him or any other Yankees top prospect on here.
You have no idea what you're talking about, once again, as I'm a guy who greatly values Yankees prospects. Ask anyone in the minors threads - even those who don't always agree with me - and I'm sure they'll back that up. That I'm not absolutely blind in overvaluing them and would trade unproven Knicks like Gallo/Randolph for one of the top 10 players in the planet [Chris Paul] doesn't change that fact one iota.
I'll wait for yet another baseless response.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
Hughes 2.50 can rationalize anything in his head... No point of arguing with the man
how is an unwillingness to put betances on the ba top 10 equivalent to a willingness to trade him?
oy vey
didnt newman say just the other day that dellin and manny were staying in tampa for the rest of the year?
i think it is possibly they both get fast tracked next year, especially manny. only problem with that is going to be so much pitching in AA and AAA to start the year.
One of sources I think it is RAB said that Banuelos and Betances will not be promoted no matter what. Let Betances stretch some more innings this season. Next year, Betances will go as far as he takes good challenge.
The same reason which allows him to make this leap in judgment is the same reason he'll never understand.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
They'll make room for those two. Two of the top three pitchers in your system, at that point, you want to see them get challenged.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
The day that I care about what Jim Callis thinks about Yankee prospects is the day I'll be heading into the nursing home
It really does not matter where BA ranks him (Or even if they rank him at all). The question is will he progress until he is Major League ready in 2012? That is what matters.
Forget waiting for the offseason, check out their daily sheet for who's hot for an indication of their thinking going forward.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
there are plenty of guys there that arent even close to top 10 prospects, thats a terrible argument
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
Let him keep grasping at straws bmx, it's entertaining.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
Who is the consensus top player in minor league ball right now? Has he played a full season yet? There are lots of arguments being listed that are weak or even downright awful. How long a player has been playing is a lot less important than whether they are fulfilling their promise.One thing that BA is good at is evaluating players in the minors. They aren't particularly good at evaluating selections in the draft where teams are inclined to blow smoke.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
he hasnt played a full season yet, but he also hasnt been habitually injured yet. he is 19 and was drafted last year and is already playing at the same level as betances is.
and the only reason he is the consensus top player is because brown was promoted to the bigs, and a huge reason for him being in front of trout was because he had done it at higher levels
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
wait. trout isn't the consensus top player? i should move out from under my old rock and find a new one to live under
oy vey
But both arguments were provided as evidence that someone's arguments were deficient - 1) Hasn't played a full season yet; and 2) Trout hasn't played yet at Betances proficiency level, and he is already ranked overall #2 in the minors.Yes, people can call you mentally challenged, fan-boy, and obviously wrong - but the facts remain that the people who evaluate minor leaguers for a living have already duly noted Dellin Betances and by the reaction on this thread (predictable) even by supposed Yankees fans, even those with Avatars sporting Betances
, will find out soon enough how highly he is ranked.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
trout is in high A right now, it took him a couple of months not years
Yes, people can call you mentally challenged, fan-boy, and obviously wrong - but the facts remain that the people who evaluate minor leaguers for a living have already duly noted Dellin Betances and by the reaction on this thread (predictable), even supposed Yankees fans, even those with Avatars sporting Betances
none of this really matters, he isnt going to be top 10 in the minors based on around 100 inning the past 2 years, regardless of how great he is pitching right now, and especially considering he has been hurt ALL THE TIME
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
Truth hurts, even for those with pictures of their demigods in their avatar.
Put your money where your mouth is and let's make this interesting regarding Betances being a top 10 prospect next Spring.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
Trout with a 440 slugging avg and marginal overall numbers is not dominating as is Betances.If he finished the year healthy and pitching as well as he is right now, the evaluations will be much higher than most think. Could it be top 30 - almost certainly, top 20 - probably; top 10 - about 50/50.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
Is Betances eligible for the AFL?
he is 3 years younger, but i guess that doesnt really matter that he is more than holding his own as a 19 year old in High A with arguably the most dynamic tools in baseball
.If he finished the year healthy and pitching as well as he is right now, the evaluations will be much higher than most think. Could it be top 30 - almost certainly, top 20 - probably; top 10 - about 50/50.
he could possibly be top 30, he wont be top 10
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
there's no way Betances makes top 10 on BA's list, for the same reasons everyone else has said.
He's coming off the surgery, his season ends when the FSL season ends.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
look. if betances was scouted as having 2x the stuff of strasburg and 10x the command of maddux. he would be top 10 even if he doesn't throw a single pitch.
but he's not.
so all the short track record arguments apply.
oy vey
Betances season is reminiscent of the late Nick Adenhart's season after he came back from surgery - except Betances is even more dominant.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
And a pitcher who sits at 93-96 and touches 98, with a sick curve and strong command to go with it - dominating High A with electric stuff like that, gets recognized just as quickly and decisively by professional evaluators.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
dominating high a isn't exactly indicative of top 10 after 100 innings talent.
oy vey
Its how you do it that is important.Scouts want to see high ceiling players 'get it.' Guess what, the scouts get it.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
if we leave out the fact adenhart was 19 and dellin is 22.
Or we forget that Dellin is 6-8 and it takes a lot longer, typically, for tall pitchers to put together their delivery, etc.I was talking about right after surgery. As good as Adenhart was he never pitched as dominantly as Betances is now.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
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