A seventy runner is plus-plus. Scouts scale 50 = avg major leaguer; plus = 60; plus-plus = 70. So maybe he isn't an 80 runner, he certainly isn't having his speed inflated by the Yankees. . And he's a lot closer to Crawford/Ellsbury/Gardner, than to 95% of all runners in the majors.. All the caveats apply as discussed earlier.Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
You'll love the kid once he signs and does his thing
What do people think the odds are that Mason Williams signs? I am afraid the odds are low. What do people think it will take i order for him to sign?
Lastly, we've discussed both Culver and Gumbs being taken as shortstops. I believe Buzah is correct in that the Yankees will quickly move Gumbs to centerfield. If they do, where does Mason Williams play? Leftfield? Lots of duplication of talent already, not to mention the Dominican talent that will be in Tampa at the same time.
Maybe the discussion of signings should be in that thread. Segedin ought to be an interesing decision. Slot at his pick is about 300K I think.
The Yankees will almost certainly sign Williams around the Aug. deadline. Both Williams and Gumbs will mostly play in the instructs this year. They want to start Gumbs as a shortstop and Williams in CF. If everything plays out well, expect Gumbs (SS) and Williams (CF) to play together for at least a year as the Yankees find what they have with them.The Yankees, if they sign Williams are unlikely to go much past 1.25 mill, what they gave Murphy last year.
For those of us old enough to remember him, Williams sound a lot like the player that Mickey Rivers was. Slap type of hitter, runs like a bullet, etc. Rivers of course did not have any kind of throwing ability from CF, although he could run down any fly ball up the alleys.
I think the odds are fairly high. Otherwise, I doubt they would have used a 4th rounder on him. It's very likely that the team knew what it would take to sign him before drafting him. If his demands truly scared them, then they would've went in a different direction in round 4...
I agree, but with all of the OF's they drafted they'll probably take a pretty hard stance in negotiations making him far from a sure thing. That said though I'm in full agreement that based on where they drafted him they have to be pretty confident that they have a really good chance to sign him to an amount that the team deems to be within reason/budget. If they're wrong though they're not going to bend over backwards to make sure they sign him. Let's hope they're right though as there's no doubt that Williams is one of the most talented players the Yankees drafted.
Holy frijoles. Enough with this Gumbs is a SS nonsense. I'm thisclose to buying you a PinstripesPlus subscription so you can go over and see Damon talk about how they took him as a CF and might get him a look at 2b.
I'm sure I will, but to put it bluntly, your guesstimates and flawed analysis have absolutely nothing to do with that process.
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Post 31 last night had a dead link. Here is the live link.
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Actually, it is the 4th round that makes me think its unlikely he signs. You still get 3 high end guys before him, and now with Jordan, have the leverage to play them off each other.
The PP interview of Damon makes it clear how the Yanks view the signability issue. To me, I think the Yanks will make a very serious effort to sign him, but IMO, I think they have no real expectation of signing him.
I have no idea if they will sign Williams (I will say the quote "Even The Yankees" does not seem like he is exactly jumping for joy being drafted by the Yankees). If he does not sign (And instead Jordan signs and makes the majors, his pick will have been worth it, because it gave the Yankees some leverage).
Love the bluntness.
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Mickey looked like this guy from the leftside - that is if we assume this kid doesn't get bigger down the road, What was Mickey, 5-10 and 150?,
No kidding. 148 pounds? The kids a twig right now.
He may have been listed as 150, but he looked like he was 130. He also walked like he was 130 years old, but once he hit the ball, boy did he accelerate!!
Mickey Mantle comparisons. This is fuc*ing amazing stuff.
Calmer than you are.
I think it was actually a Mickey Rivers comparison.
JVIS whiffs badly.
Rivers always cracked me up cause he would walk up to the plate like a cripple, like he was saving all his energy for when he had to run. You'd never think he had amazing speed the way he walked.
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He's certainly not a troll, but his attempt failed tremendously.Fail troll attempt failed
Pretty much every other one of his posts is a troll.
But yeah, other than that, he's not a troll.
He's got 28k posts!
14K is a modest #.
I come here for two things, Yankees news and JVIS. Not necessarily in that order
Sey comes for JVIS too....but not in the same way.
Well that's just common knowledge, but anyway even with the $2 million price tag you got to think the Yankees will sign Williams being a 4th rounder and all. Yankees will def get it done.
If Williams is going to demand $2m, and sticks to it, he is not signing. The Yankees will not give in to him. We saw this with Damon on the Big League level, and we saw it with the draft last year. What they pay him (Or choose not to), affects not only this year's draft, but next year's as well.
Doubt he gets 2 mill, but they must of felt him out to of picked him so high.
Probably he will settle for 1.5 range. Would love to see them extend the budget and get Williams and Kevin Jordan.
The one tool Jordan seems to lack is the arm strength. Guys can get bigger and stronger, but you don't hear often about outfielders with weaker arms suddenly having plus arms. That sort of locks him in as a leftfielder.Pretty sure if they get Williams it will be for under 1.5 mill.
Both of them have to show them a reason to extend the budget by performing very well in summer ball.
Have we heard summer ball shedules for these kids.I think the #4 pick is assumed more likely to sign than the #19 pick - historically, particularly where their demands might be the same (possibly both Williams and Jordan could seek the same money). For that reason, I tend to disagree with Matsui55's post earlier.
Assume all you want, but it's going to come down to performance/projection and its relative value. If the Yankees feel the value for that player's asking price meets his performance and projection then they'll do what they have to do to get him sign and it doesn't matter if he's a 4th or 19th round pick.
I agree. Just pointed out that if both players are similar values but ask the same money, more than likely the 4th rounder signs - all things otherwise equal.How about summer ball? Have we heard plans for these kids yet?
that assumes that draft position equates directly to talent and not that demands and signability forced people to drop
Right. I think the likely play by the Yankees is to find out if they can sign Williams at a price they consider equal to performance/projection as 1962 said. I think that dollar value is about 1.1-1.5 and that's the Yankees limit for Williams. If they can get Williams for that I still think they have a strong play with Jordan at around 1.0 mill. I think they get both, and they want both because they profile at different positions and as different type players.My sense of the way the draft worked out, is that the Yankees are likely to get four or five kids signed this year at about 1.0 mill plus. Nobody will get what Slade got but those several will likely get around what JR got.
They're not gonna go that big on Williams. You don't pay over 1M when speed and no power is the current combination. They may approach or even arrive at 1M, but it won't be over. The good news is they think he wants to be a Yankee and he's been hanging out at the complex a lot.
That's probably close for Williams but the Yankees do consider hs prospects projections, and eventhough Williams isn't developed yet, as a senior he still hit six dingers and the Yankees believe he has more projection in his 6-6-1 body. Max offer is likely to be higher than you're #s. In any event he won't sign until August because it will be overslot.The Yankees will likely pay some premium for defense and speed at the cf position (whereas Jordan is more likely a projected leftfielder) with a chance for developing power. The Yankees are likely to sign Williams for between Fuentes/Ellsbury money.
They're not going to go that big on him. They have other OF's they took later who could come in cheaper, and Jordan is just worth more.
Where did you get the information that he wants to be a Yankee and he's been hanging out at the complex a lot?
Oppenheimer in his interview at PSP stated that Williams has worked out at their complex a number of times over the past year.
Unsuprisingly, an article right out of Red Sox Nation roots for Mason Williams to go to college.
People vote with their feet and that's why they think the kid wants to sign.
The author of the article is a Yankee fan.
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Well we are about 2 weeks from finding out if, as I expected, Culver, Gumbs, Williams and Morton will sign for about a million each. Apparently, Jordan (a leftfielder projection) wants too much and will go to school at Wake Forest.
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
From what I've read, it isn't so much about the money, but that he wasn't healthy enough to play this summer so the Yankees couldn't evaluate him any further to justify his asking price.
Have you read what Jordan's asking prices was?
Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.
Now, you know Oppenheimer isn't going to get that specific with his public comments.
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