Januz,
So if you were to slot those that signed (or anyone else) - where do they go?
I presume Culver is quiessential Tier II, but what about the rest of them?
I'd guess it would be interesting to rerank draft from last couple of years and see how Angelini and Lassiter have gone from Tier II to Tier IV, Laird rising to Tier II or Brackman going from I to IV and back to I again.
Culver, Austin, Vance & Whitley would be Tier II's, the rest III's & IV;s. There are two guys who could move to Tier I. 1: Encinas because there is a lot of growth potential. He is supposed to be special.2: Austin (Perhaps my favorite pick in the draft (Based on potential and round)). Although other people grade Williams & Jordan higher, and despite the fact, baseball is going more athletic, this team has NEVER won a championship without a game changing hitter. Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Berra, Mantle, Jackson, Jeter, and Rodriguez to name a few (Even the lower tiered guys like Teixeira or O'Neill worried pitchers quite a bit). As good as the Uptons or Carl Crawford are, I would rather face them, than any of those Yankees in a big situation. A young, raw power hitter is hard to find. Who else was there in this draft? Harper. maybe? Who is there in the organization that you can look for? Montero & Sanchez that is it (Heathcott and Murphy are different).Originally Posted by groundhoggator
Cameron Hobson? He looks good in Cape Cod statistically. How difference is between he and Bleich, repertoire-wise?
There is no upside to him: 4.58 ERA at The University of Dayton (Not exactly the SEC or Pac-10), 6ft and 21 years old.. www.bronxbaseballdaily.com/?p=6367Bleich at least had more upside when drafted (He might be a lefty reliever in the future),
Hobson doesn't have enough velo to succeed in the Majors at this point, and his physical stature doesn't indicate that there's much development left.
Mo' Nut: One Smoove Brotha.
Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
4.58 era does not mean no upside but I get the picture.
Has there been any word on what kind of bonuses Austin and Anderson got?
First bit of news on Jordan: Northside outfielder and Wake Forest signee Kevin Jordan has yet to delve deep into discussions with the New York Yankees, according to his father, Keith. Instead, Jordan is mulling his options with Aug. 1 set as the date he and the Yankees will discuss his possible signing........ http://www.ledger-enquirer.com. This news might be a good sign, that they are willing to consider the Yankees. I think the Jordan's have a certain dollar amount, and if it is met, this will get done. It could be huge.
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Isn't he Brian Jordan's son? Who's Keith?
That is what I thought. I just cut and pasted the article.
August 1st? He is that jerk...lol
Any leak about Gumbs and Williams?
According to his mlb bio, Brian has 4 kids, none named Kevin (click the bio link)
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=116747
Also, from the Wake Forest Athletic site, Kevin's father's name is George (about half way down the page)
http://wakeforestsports.cstv.com/spo...111909aab.html
Still not sure who Keith is
clear, concise, correct
don't tease me with this. Prettiest swing I've seen in years.
"No, I would not like to reconsider being a Yankee fan, and no, marrying a New Englander should have no bearing on it."
wow... neither Kevin nor Yankees comes in and gets the fact straight.
It is a good chance that Kevin Jordan is not the son of Brian and Pam.
I read somewhere that one passage had said Kevin's father without acknowledging either former pro baseball or Brian.
personally i dont care who his parents are with those tools
ditto but I think it would be fun to watch MLB and blogs get embarrassed. lol
Bottom line, Kevin Jordan has yet to be interviewed by anyone.
Paul O'Neil did mention his son and I could find any comments from Brian about his "son". Same from Keith, of course.
we drafted paulie's nephew not his son.
sorry.. his nephew. I felt funny when I typed his son.
Kevin Jordan is DEFINITELY not Brian Jordan's son. I'm 100% sure. That was just some blogger who posted it and everyone ran with it.
There are a lot of stories about whose kid he is, and I don't care. The main thing is the Yankees have a shot to get him signed (Which I had doubts about until today).. You will be seeing two huge days August 1st (Jordan Day), and the day earlier July 31st (Trading Deadline). How those days turn out, will impact 2010 and beyond.
Michael's son then?
If he's going to sign, I don't think it's going to be on August 1st, I think that's just going to be the day they begin negotiations. I think if he signs it goes down to the wire.
I think the Yankees will have an idea if this guy is signable on August 1st. If so, they will try and get it done, if not, it will be over quick. The worst case scenario, is they get strung along, and lose Mason Willams (In addition to not signing Jordan). Keep in mind, there are only 15 more days from then,until signing period is over (In addition, August 16th is also the day, Luis Heredia can sign (This needs to be factored in). In addition, the very last person to sign from the 2009 draft, was Evan DeLuca (They had 30 seconds to spare). They don't want to cut things that close again.
Here is the way I break down the signings groups between now and August 16th, Tier I: Guys they have locked up, Segedin, Encinas, Morton, Gamel, Probably Gumbs and Dean. Tier II: IFA Players: Romero etc, Tier III: Guys they won't be signing. Hobson & Ramsay etc. Tier IV: HS players they are trying to sign.: Rutckyj, Dezse, Kish, Williams & Jordan. Tier V: College players they are trying to sign: Kahnle, Burawa, Jacob, Viramontes and Ijames. Tier VI: Heredia. I think this Tier IV grouping is the key grouping. If they can sign 4 or 5 of them, the probability is they will likely not sign many (If any) College Players (Burawa probably stands the best chance of any of them). How things play out, will play a large role in how well the Yankees operate in the future.
Blue Jays beat Rice by signing 5th rounder Thon for 1.5M. What does it mean to Gumbs and Williams?
Uhh, it means very little?
Not much.
Rice is like Stanford- school with academics and hard to get kids to leave the commitment. When a team drafts a HS kid with who has signed with Rice, they know they are going to pay a premium for the kid.
Gumbs and Williams college commitments are nowhere near Rice.
I mean where do Gumbs and Williams stand with Thon's signing leaked out. Yanks do not make any offering until August?
Teams like Toronto are paying a premium for HS and IFA players, because they have to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox in the same division. Keep in mind, just because Thon signed for $1.5m not to go Rice, does not make him outstanding (Carmine Angelini got $1m not to go to Rice......... How did that work out?).If you have tracked Yankee drafts the past several years, you know that they announce several signings in July (I could see Gumbs and others being announced this month). They generally wait until after the trade deadline to focus in on the ""Signability Cases" draft Picks (Jordan, Williams, Kish, Viramontes, Jacob etc) If they won't get in bidding wars with Boston (Remember Mark Teixeira?), why does anyone think they care about who Toronto signs?
The Yanks aren't driving that bus- both will be highly over slot- and that means the Commish is holding up things. When Bud gives his approval, the deals get announced- that's it.
He did not hold up Thon's signing? what gives? Any team with lesser respect will get any approval anytime whilst stronger team cant get approval until August 16th. Is it what Selig has done?
Here is a little info on Mason Williams: Former West Orange center fielder Mason Williams, selected in the fourth round of June's draft by the New York Yankees, expects contract negotiations with the team to start in the next week or two. Williams must decide whether to sign with the Yankees or play baseball for South Carolina by Aug. 15. www.OrlandoSentinel.com
JMO but Id rather sign him then Jordan.
Use our resources and sign both.
Agreed, but if given the choice of one who would you choose ?
Jordan. I think he has more upside.
agree there is a higher ceiling on jordan
yanks scout Rutckyj start
http://www.windsorstar.com/sports/Ya...409/story.html
I have no idea what he was clocked at, or what the level of competition was, but his numbers were not impressive. I was reading on River Ave Blues he wants first round money to sign, www.riveraveblues.com If he continues to demand that, I would predict the Yankees will simply not sign him.
The game numbers mean absolutely nothing- he's pitching against college and semi-pro guys.
The Yanks knew drafting him that he was raw- he's a former hockey player. All the Yanks care about is whether he has good stuff and whether he shows aptitude to learn from mistakes or new pitches/ situational pitching.
yeah. this article was not helpful when we acted like a scout.
well, since lowest 1st round money is about 750K-1M I dont see any problem. Fingers crossed.
The problem that I see is we have no idea what his velocity is. If this guy is a soft tosser say below 92 mph, you simply should not pay him big bucks. Too me the key guys are Williams and Jordan (Those are the "Projectable" prospects).yeah. this article was not helpful when we acted like a scout.
Update on these players: Kahnle was release by Brewster last week and signed by Bourne.
Burawa - Harwich - 12.2 innings, 11 hits, 9 bb, 15 k, 2.84 era
Viramontes - Orleans - 14 innings, 9 hits, 9 bb, 10 k, 2.51 era
Kahnle - Brewster - 3.2 innings, 3 hits, 3 bb, 5 k, 5.40 era
Kahnle - Bourne - 2 innings, 0 hits, 1 bb, 1 k, 0.00
I have to say those numbers are terrible. Viramontes reminds me a lot of Oliver Perez, another Boras client who has a million dollar arm (Who will cost more $$$$$ than that), while having major control issues. Kahnle's numbers suck as well. I will guess that Burawa is the "best" of the three but that is not saying much. Throw in the fact that all of these guys are College Players, is another negative. I would put the money in the HS kids (On average, far more upside potential). Note: I read Kahnle turned down the Yankees in hopes of getting a bigger contract, after the summer......... That decision does not look good.
thanks for update. very appreciated. Statistically, they suck but they may need to tweak mechanics for better command. umm.
He needs to think hard about next year's draft or 2. Angels did not sign him out of HS in 2007. Does he actually think college coach will help him fix mechanical flaws and pitch well for next season or two? It is possible for what Yankees will offer is his best money plus pro coach will work one on one with him easily. He will be an idiot to go back to college if baseball is his destiny.
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Density eh? Yep, agree on that one.
Number mean very little in the signing process.
Anyone remember the way that Meade and Matyas pitched there last year- outstanding. What did it got them? They got nothing.
Its all about showing some projectability. Granted, in Viramontes case, he has to show that he learned something from the disaster that was his 2010 season.
I agree. I think its almost the opposite of doing well and get signed. The Yankees think they know how good these guys can be, if they don't do so well, then maybe the price comes down a little.
I have been very surprised in the past, when these summer draft and follows do great, it seems like the Yankees pass way more than not.
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Must say I am surprised that only 3 of the top 10 have signed thus far.
There are normally always a couple over slot guys that hang out until Aug 15th, but 7 of 10 seems like a high number.
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